Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

First off, despite there being 49 pages, I doubt you can deduce the exact mafia team from just the D1/N1 posts. Secondly, admitting you are playing a personal game seems somewhat strange, since it sounds like you are trying to better yourself rather than bettering your team.

Also, players not reading the thread are definitely not going to be able to "deduce the...mafia team". Second, on re-read this rings as if you are NOT approaching the game from a solo-standpoint -- do you have teammates right now?

[ddevans96]

We've all jumped on CR though. That's... It's a bad precedent to use for anything. CR has a history of bringing out the most toxic in people. That said, DD why are you reading me as slight town? I've been inactive (dealing with exterminator today) and only just got caught up with the flow of the game from page 39 of the thread. I think i've gleaned the TL:DR that sub and sunbro where both put up for lynch before a no lynch was decided

I feel like you've been more active early in games where you're mafia. I don't have any proof for that, just instinct and theory.

Sorry rob, I straight up cannot do a full review of a reads list right now, I have an awful head cold, fell asleep early and just woke up, probably going back to bed soon. Do you want anything more minor in the meantime?

[rob77dp]

We've all jumped on CR though. That's... It's a bad precedent to use for anything. CR has a history of bringing out the most toxic in people. That said, DD why are you reading me as slight town? I've been inactive (dealing with exterminator today) and only just got caught up with the flow of the game from page 39 of the thread. I think i've gleaned the TL:DR that sub and sunbro where both put up for lynch before a no lynch was decided

I feel like you've been more active early in games where you're mafia. I don't have any proof for that, just instinct and theory.

Sorry rob, I straight up cannot do a full review of a reads list right now, I have an awful head cold, fell asleep early and just woke up, probably going back to bed soon. Do you want anything more minor in the meantime?

Get well soon, dd.

Game-related: Be ready to follow-through on your "Day 2 I come alive" schtick you posted about earlier. If I mange to live very long this game (scum scared to NK me due to doctors or doctors actually targeting me!) then expect quality content to be your way out of my scum-read on you I hold at the moment.

[ddevans96]

I expect nothing less.

[dawn to dusk]

First off, despite there being 49 pages, I doubt you can deduce the exact mafia team from just the D1/N1 posts. Secondly, admitting you are playing a personal game seems somewhat strange, since it sounds like you are trying to better yourself rather than bettering your team.

Also, players not reading the thread are definitely not going to be able to "deduce the...mafia team". Second, on re-read this rings as if you are NOT approaching the game from a solo-standpoint -- do you have teammates right now?

My implications were that you do not seem to be trying to better town, you are instead trying to better yourself. Even if you don't know who they are, you have teammates. From my eyes, you are not trying to help your team get ahead, you are trying to help yourself get ahead and hope that others follow you.
For reference (and depending on playstyles), scum are most dissociated from their team, as to not raise suspicion on their team if they were to die. On the flip side, they can get close to people who they know are town as to throw shade on them, if they were to die, but that is mostly irrelevant in this case.
Mafia is somewhat a social game. People can't all play their own game with their teamwork being in the form of "we have come to a mutual agreement that this guy is more scummy than the other people playing this game." That's not how mafia is won.

[worldwideweb3]

www3 - the idea that you're being genuine about thinking fewer posts in a game makes it easier to have opinions is pretty ludicrous to me.

By that logic, lurkers should be the easiest to read but nobody would be silly enough to propose that, yet...

Fewer posts means that it takes less time to make your list of reads. Now c'mon, don't try twist whatever I say.

[rob77dp]

First off, despite there being 49 pages, I doubt you can deduce the exact mafia team from just the D1/N1 posts. Secondly, admitting you are playing a personal game seems somewhat strange, since it sounds like you are trying to better yourself rather than bettering your team.

Also, players not reading the thread are definitely not going to be able to "deduce the...mafia team". Second, on re-read this rings as if you are NOT approaching the game from a solo-standpoint -- do you have teammates right now?

My implications were that you do not seem to be trying to better town, you are instead trying to better yourself. Even if you don't know who they are, you have teammates. From my eyes, you are not trying to help your team get ahead, you are trying to help yourself get ahead and hope that others follow you.
For reference (and depending on playstyles), scum are most dissociated from their team, as to not raise suspicion on their team if they were to die. On the flip side, they can get close to people who they know are town as to throw shade on them, if they were to die, but that is mostly irrelevant in this case.
Mafia is somewhat a social game. People can't all play their own game with their teamwork being in the form of "we have come to a mutual agreement that this guy is more scummy than the other people playing this game." That's not how mafia is won.

My POV, I know there are 10 other town players but I do not know who they are. I can reasonably try to suspect who they are but absent that I can only currently know that I am town. Therefore, it makes complete sense that I consider my views, opinions, and thoughts about the game right now as the most trustworthy.

I reject your notion that I am not helping town.

[worldwideweb3]

In those links, I see you supporting no lynch rob. Clarify. (You too Ian, and UT)

this is pretty weak... Feels like a scum trying to look solvey or involved while just poking around.

How is this weak? You were heavily against people who said no lynch when you have supported no lynch previously.

[worldwideweb3]

In those links, I see you supporting no lynch rob. Clarify. (You too Ian, and UT)

this is pretty weak... Feels like a scum trying to look solvey or involved while just poking around.

How is this weak? You were heavily against people who said no lynch when you have supported no lynch previously.

Btw, Ian and UT, I await your answers.

[rob77dp]

In those links, I see you supporting no lynch rob. Clarify. (You too Ian, and UT)

this is pretty weak... Feels like a scum trying to look solvey or involved while just poking around.

How is this weak? You were heavily against people who said no lynch when you have supported no lynch previously.

Because you are ignoring the more recent evidence where I for several/many games now I have lobbied AGAINST No Lynch. I don't need to clarify something that is no longer my viewpoint or something I adhere to. It is weak that you try to use that to discredit my thoughts this game on No Lynch.

[rob77dp]

www3 - the idea that you're being genuine about thinking fewer posts in a game makes it easier to have opinions is pretty ludicrous to me.

By that logic, lurkers should be the easiest to read but nobody would be silly enough to propose that, yet...

Fewer posts means that it takes less time to make your list of reads. Now c'mon, don't try twist whatever I say.

You don't have to read and digest the ENTIRE thread anytime you want to read another player. Your refusal to even give opinions on players citing some lack of ability to have read the entire thread is at best infuriating (the case we are both town -- I'm not sure you are) and otherwise leans me scum on you.

[dawn to dusk]

I agree that one should hold their opinions highest of all others, since they are 100% certain of their own role. But they should not hold themself in such a high regard, that it looks like they think EVERYONE else is scum. Guilty until proven innocent is fine. But the notion of "my word is law" just because you know your faction is not. And can be detrimental to town if you insist on only furthering yourself and getting others to follow. I have read most of the thread by this stage, and all I see is you disagreeing and arguing with a lot of people.

Basically I see you as someone who is trying to be leader in "follow the leader." And someone who wants that much attention more often than not craves the power that comes with it.