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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259132#msg1259132
« Reply #504 on: March 09, 2017, 12:31:53 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259133#msg1259133
« Reply #505 on: March 09, 2017, 12:33:23 am »
dubs -

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Just to sate your desire. Don't feel there's a point in doing any list until after night finishes, personally. More to look on that way.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259134#msg1259134
« Reply #506 on: March 09, 2017, 12:55:45 am »
dubs -

Are you planning to do the list just to do a list or just to sate my request/desire for it?

Just to sate your desire. Don't feel there's a point in doing any list until after night finishes, personally. More to look on that way.
What have you been doing with your 74 posts then?

Also, if you're town your motivation to read players and do a list or publicly state your opinions on the game/players-in-the-game is NOT to satisfy other players. You should want to post your thoughts on alignments or reads you have in order to help your in-the-dark-right-now faction gain information (if you're town). For all you should know (if you're town) you're sating the desire of a SCUM.

Hot take: www3 is scum.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - UTA, are you around right now? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259135#msg1259135
« Reply #507 on: March 09, 2017, 01:01:44 am »
UTA - talk to me about www3 some. I'm looking back at your reads list and the post with the reasoning/thoughts... and... well, it adds up less and less the more I look at it. Rather than have me just post my thoughts on it, I'd like you to have an opportunity to take some time to fix/correct anything you see yourself since:

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Getting tired, so gonna skim over these last few.
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As long as this is, and trying to rush it out before EOD, I'm sure I'll have at least one EBWOP incoming...
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You might use this as an excuse to wave away inconsistencies I might notice.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259136#msg1259136
« Reply #508 on: March 09, 2017, 01:03:32 am »
dubs -

Are you planning to do the list just to do a list or just to sate my request/desire for it?

Just to sate your desire. Don't feel there's a point in doing any list until after night finishes, personally. More to look on that way.
What have you been doing with your 74 posts then?

Also, if you're town your motivation to read players and do a list or publicly state your opinions on the game/players-in-the-game is NOT to satisfy other players. You should want to post your thoughts on alignments or reads you have in order to help your in-the-dark-right-now faction gain information (if you're town). For all you should know (if you're town) you're sating the desire of a SCUM.

Hot take: www3 is scum.

If i talk more, other people respond more, gives me more to analyse. Simple, isnt it?
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259137#msg1259137
« Reply #509 on: March 09, 2017, 01:04:28 am »
UT: Fair point on me. Add that to the list of things I need to talk about. I'll look over the rest of the reads now and comment later.

dd - have you done this yet? I mean, you went around replying to OTHER stuff from UTA but... avoided any review of his reads list. I'd like to read through what you think of them.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259138#msg1259138
« Reply #510 on: March 09, 2017, 01:05:13 am »
dubs -

Are you planning to do the list just to do a list or just to sate my request/desire for it?

Just to sate your desire. Don't feel there's a point in doing any list until after night finishes, personally. More to look on that way.
What have you been doing with your 74 posts then?

Also, if you're town your motivation to read players and do a list or publicly state your opinions on the game/players-in-the-game is NOT to satisfy other players. You should want to post your thoughts on alignments or reads you have in order to help your in-the-dark-right-now faction gain information (if you're town). For all you should know (if you're town) you're sating the desire of a SCUM.

Hot take: www3 is scum.

Also, read again. I never said i wont give reads. Just when i feel its best to, and that time is not now.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259140#msg1259140
« Reply #511 on: March 09, 2017, 01:21:49 am »
dd - have you done this yet? I mean, you went around replying to OTHER stuff from UTA but... avoided any review of his reads list. I'd like to read through what you think of them.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259143#msg1259143
« Reply #512 on: March 09, 2017, 01:27:43 am »
www3 - I'm reading through your town-game in Elements Mafia 65 a couple months ago... it doesn't match what I'm seeing from you this game. This is called a meta-read. In combination with my intuition telling me your motivation this game is also not showing towny it makes this a not-slight scum-lean on you.

Multiple occasions that game you vote with intent to lynch and base it on "reverse vote" (AKA OMGUS), instincts, and instinct but here you're suddenly NOT ok with even giving opinions on players without reading the thread, having some kind of study hour moments, and then putting out a list.

Just put out your instinct's top scum read.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259144#msg1259144
« Reply #513 on: March 09, 2017, 01:28:56 am »
dd - have you done this yet? I mean, you went around replying to OTHER stuff from UTA but... avoided any review of his reads list. I'd like to read through what you think of them.

Avoid is a strong word. A full review of a read list takes more time than I typically have when I'm away from home. Now that I am, you can expect it tonight.
Going weak would be less likely to rustle or sus-out scum.

In this moment, can you just read it through until you find one inconsistency or ping-of-your-feels or thing-that-you-really-really-jive with? Just one?
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259145#msg1259145
« Reply #514 on: March 09, 2017, 01:30:10 am »
www3 - I'm reading through your town-game in Elements Mafia 65 a couple months ago... it doesn't match what I'm seeing from you this game. This is called a meta-read. In combination with my intuition telling me your motivation this game is also not showing towny it makes this a not-slight scum-lean on you.

Multiple occasions that game you vote with intent to lynch and base it on "reverse vote" (AKA OMGUS), instincts, and instinct but here you're suddenly NOT ok with even giving opinions on players without reading the thread, having some kind of study hour moments, and then putting out a list.

Just put out your instinct's top scum read.

It's easier to have opinions when the game has low post count, and you dont have to read as much. If i was mafia, do you really think i would take this long just to give a reads list, considering you even put me as town for a bit before?
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1259146#msg1259146
« Reply #515 on: March 09, 2017, 01:35:43 am »
Let me explain the reasoning for No Lynching as simply as possible.

Lynching based on a scumread is GOOD.

No Lynching is BAD.

Randomly Lynching is REALLY BAD. It's also a DICK MOVE to the person you are lynching without reason.

The only 2 people with more than 2 votes on them Day 0 were put up for the lynch for the following reasons:

Solaris: Self-voting.
Submachine: Being Submachine.
Both: Any lynch is a good lynch.

None of these are related to alignment. This puts them in the random lynching category.

If we lynched a player that was in some way scummier or read as scummier than others from Day 0 posts and activity then I would be able to analyze the wagon, counter-wagon(s), and how that player had acted/posted during Day 0.

There was no such player. No other viable lynch was presented. Nobody said, "Hey, we should all lynch Player because they did X which makes them more likely to be Mafia." This means that there was nothing in the 'Lynching based on a scumread' category.

Now, going off of this handy rating system, we can see that the people who supported No Lynch went for the lesser of two evils.

Past support of No Lynch: (for rob)

Mafia 46 - Hilariously it was actually called No Vote here.
Mafia 52 - After eljoemo said No Lynch wasn't an option, I also PMed you and UTA asking you to remove your votes so we could avoid a lynch.
Mafia 54
Mafia 56 - Votes at EOD
Mafia 57 - Didn't actually vote No Lynch as it was 19 hours before EOD but clearly supported it - scroll down.
Mafia 63 - After a lot of votes were cast for no reason like what happened here.
This isn't counting the two mafias that had No Lynch Day 1 where I didn't say anything against it.

I also want to clarify that my posts in all caps were mostly shitposting while being caught up in the flood of posts.

While looking through past mafias, I found this gem.

Interested in running a Forum Game? PM me or drop by the Transfer Thread and we'll see what we can do.

 

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