Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

You are right. I shouldn't have given up. It was just the sudden downhill after a perfect 6-0 win streak that really got to me.
I know I should have continued my method for maximum efficiency, but I struggle to keep motivated for that tedious task.

I don't believe in coincidences. Either rob OR ian OR DC OR JCJ must be mafia. Their combined forces push me down so hard, that one of them has to be an agitator.

Is this snippet the extent of your current scum-reads or game-reads (color and snip for clarity)?

I have other stuff which that post does not cover. I also mentioned that I do not feel Solaris to be mafia, because of his near-death experience. Barely anyone went for his aid, which would be unusual if he had teammates who knew about his identity.

What are you talking about there? Sol escaped lynching because 4 players pushed and voted on No Lynch. I see some aid having been brought there - don't you? I think maybe I misunderstand you because surely you're not claiming that nobody saved Sol... he was saved so if that is your point then you're wrong.

[rob77dp]

Mechanics are important. Also I'm reasonably sure I didn't publicly scumread until D2 in my last mafia attempt, at which point I started playing hardball.

You want FoS from me, though? Medium FoS on Link. Strong FoS on [iancu/jcj/rob/Sub/www3] - there is 99% at least one scum in that group. Weak FoS on Lunaris and Coffee.

Do you want anything more detailed?

But i like dd (mostly because i agree with quite a bit of what he says ).

Appreciated. Nice to be on the same side (for the moment, of course) after our play against each other in sky's mafia. Gained a lot of respect for your play then.

"Let's wait and use all our resources to gather intel. Use that intel to have factual clues and not scumtells (which don't even work anyway*), which we can use to start focused accusations instead of random ones."

I'd like to amend this:

Use every resource available to gather intel. Use that intel to gain facts, which we can use to change arbitrary scumtells into focused ones

I think this is a good compromise between several of the viewpoints presented so far, so I'll be playing with this vision in mind.

I see your point, but just being active and drawing attention to yourself doesn't make you town-lean. It can help when combined with other things, but not enough on its own.

Emphasizing this because it's very important. In general, combining intuition with reads and scumtells is important.

Explain when you arrived at those reads on those players. Some of them have not posted since the end of Day 0 -- if you FOS somebody now but they haven't done anything since during Day 0 then why not voting them Day 0 for the same stuff you FOS them over now??

[worldwideweb3]

You are right. I shouldn't have given up. It was just the sudden downhill after a perfect 6-0 win streak that really got to me.
I know I should have continued my method for maximum efficiency, but I struggle to keep motivated for that tedious task.

I don't believe in coincidences. Either rob OR ian OR DC OR JCJ must be mafia. Their combined forces push me down so hard, that one of them has to be an agitator.

Is this snippet the extent of your current scum-reads or game-reads (color and snip for clarity)?

I have other stuff which that post does not cover. I also mentioned that I do not feel Solaris to be mafia, because of his near-death experience. Barely anyone went for his aid, which would be unusual if he had teammates who knew about his identity.

What are you talking about there? Sol escaped lynching because 4 players pushed and voted on No Lynch. I see some aid having been brought there - don't you? I think maybe I misunderstand you because surely you're not claiming that nobody saved Sol... he was saved so if that is your point then you're wrong.

I think sub means that no one outright said that sol seems to not be mafia.

[rob77dp]

You are right. I shouldn't have given up. It was just the sudden downhill after a perfect 6-0 win streak that really got to me.
I know I should have continued my method for maximum efficiency, but I struggle to keep motivated for that tedious task.

I don't believe in coincidences. Either rob OR ian OR DC OR JCJ must be mafia. Their combined forces push me down so hard, that one of them has to be an agitator.

Is this snippet the extent of your current scum-reads or game-reads (color and snip for clarity)?

I have other stuff which that post does not cover. I also mentioned that I do not feel Solaris to be mafia, because of his near-death experience. Barely anyone went for his aid, which would be unusual if he had teammates who knew about his identity.

What are you talking about there? Sol escaped lynching because 4 players pushed and voted on No Lynch. I see some aid having been brought there - don't you? I think maybe I misunderstand you because surely you're not claiming that nobody saved Sol... he was saved so if that is your point then you're wrong.

I think sub means that no one outright said that sol seems to not be mafia.

Of course not - only Sol himself, along with scum (which he may or may not be), could know in that spot that Sol outright is or is not mafia.

I may still be misunderstanding the point being attempted... :-/

[worldwideweb3]

You are right. I shouldn't have given up. It was just the sudden downhill after a perfect 6-0 win streak that really got to me.
I know I should have continued my method for maximum efficiency, but I struggle to keep motivated for that tedious task.

I don't believe in coincidences. Either rob OR ian OR DC OR JCJ must be mafia. Their combined forces push me down so hard, that one of them has to be an agitator.

Is this snippet the extent of your current scum-reads or game-reads (color and snip for clarity)?

I have other stuff which that post does not cover. I also mentioned that I do not feel Solaris to be mafia, because of his near-death experience. Barely anyone went for his aid, which would be unusual if he had teammates who knew about his identity.

What are you talking about there? Sol escaped lynching because 4 players pushed and voted on No Lynch. I see some aid having been brought there - don't you? I think maybe I misunderstand you because surely you're not claiming that nobody saved Sol... he was saved so if that is your point then you're wrong.

I think sub means that no one outright said that sol seems to not be mafia.

Of course not - only Sol himself, along with scum (which he may or may not be), could know in that spot that Sol outright is or is not mafia.

I may still be misunderstanding the point being attempted... :-/

His fellow mafia partners didn't say something like "Oh i found this one more scummy, we should vote on him" kinda thing. Basic but you get it. Though, doubtful if mafia would do that at an early stage.

[rob77dp]

You are right. I shouldn't have given up. It was just the sudden downhill after a perfect 6-0 win streak that really got to me.
I know I should have continued my method for maximum efficiency, but I struggle to keep motivated for that tedious task.

I don't believe in coincidences. Either rob OR ian OR DC OR JCJ must be mafia. Their combined forces push me down so hard, that one of them has to be an agitator.

Is this snippet the extent of your current scum-reads or game-reads (color and snip for clarity)?

I have other stuff which that post does not cover. I also mentioned that I do not feel Solaris to be mafia, because of his near-death experience. Barely anyone went for his aid, which would be unusual if he had teammates who knew about his identity.

What are you talking about there? Sol escaped lynching because 4 players pushed and voted on No Lynch. I see some aid having been brought there - don't you? I think maybe I misunderstand you because surely you're not claiming that nobody saved Sol... he was saved so if that is your point then you're wrong.

I think sub means that no one outright said that sol seems to not be mafia.

Of course not - only Sol himself, along with scum (which he may or may not be), could know in that spot that Sol outright is or is not mafia.

I may still be misunderstanding the point being attempted... :-/

His fellow mafia partners didn't say something like "Oh i found this one more scummy, we should vote on him" kinda thing. Basic but you get it. Though, doubtful if mafia would do that at an early stage.

What do you think Sub's wagon might have been? Or the big No Vote / No Lynch train going on? I'm not saying it is convicting in the least but I fail to grasp how Sub is pandering around the idea that Sol wasn't saved yesterday (maybe town!Sol maybe not-town!Sol -- but he was saved either way).

[Solaris]

nah I wasn't saved, attention was merely diverted because apparently people don't like to kill

[rob77dp]

But i like dd (mostly because i agree with quite a bit of what he says ).

Who are his scumreads?

*** Who do you think are scum or scummy? ***

I'll be reading the whole thread again and try find stuff before end of night.

But... I'm anxious to read your finds NOW. How about just your top scumread and top town-lean... i.e. your towniest player that isn't yourself and your scummiest player right now?

[worldwideweb3]

nah I wasn't saved, attention was merely diverted because apparently people don't like to kill

Why didnt you defend yourself btw? You did at first but then stopped

[worldwideweb3]

But i like dd (mostly because i agree with quite a bit of what he says ).

Who are his scumreads?

*** Who do you think are scum or scummy? ***

I'll be reading the whole thread again and try find stuff before end of night.

But... I'm anxious to read your finds NOW. How about just your top scumread and top town-lean... i.e. your towniest player that isn't yourself and your scummiest player right now?

No point giving reads that dont reflect my view.

[rob77dp]

nah I wasn't saved, attention was merely diverted because apparently people don't like to kill

Glad you're here -- trying to read you by interacting with www3 / Sub is proving very difficult... and possibly misleading.

Are you caught up? Do you have some current thoughts on the game or scumread or town-leans?

Surely you're town-leaning the people pushing the No Lynch wagon yesterday... if you are then share the reason and if not why not?

[rob77dp]

But i like dd (mostly because i agree with quite a bit of what he says ).

Who are his scumreads?

*** Who do you think are scum or scummy? ***

I'll be reading the whole thread again and try find stuff before end of night.

But... I'm anxious to read your finds NOW. How about just your top scumread and top town-lean... i.e. your towniest player that isn't yourself and your scummiest player right now?

No point giving reads that dont reflect my view.

So your current view is that you are town and the other 17 players are neutral or no-read or null?