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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258609#msg1258609
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2017, 02:13:57 pm »
Sub, what do you find scummy about me randomly voting you? I'll bet dollars to pesos your vote is not random.

Linkcat wanting to lynch me and not voting me with it is slightly alarming.

dd mindmeld on my approach to sub. Good for dd but I think he is capable if that thought and post as any alignment here.

JCJ - without breaking any rules, explain what bothers about the "in thread comm only" rule? It is my favorite aspect of recent mafia games here.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258611#msg1258611
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2017, 02:43:54 pm »
maybe, what would you say the odds are of his being town?

There are 18 players, with 4 being Criminals and 3 being Intelligence. That leaves 11 town.

To an outsider, that gives him an 11/18 chance of being town (annoyingly can't be reduced).

However, if you're playing the game, the odds change depending on your faction. Since I'm town, the odds are 5/9 that he's town.

For all you Criminals and Intelligence players out there, there's a 11/17 chance he's town.

The math is really quite simple. Not sure how you weren't able to figure this out yourself, rob.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258612#msg1258612
« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2017, 02:56:38 pm »
Mass roleclaiming is bad. Being able to PM people is awesome (unless sub goes mental :P)

Basically i used to love blab chatting to one person at a time. getting personal scumtelling, and being able to make much more intricate gambits. Doing everything in thread just makes me not want to post because mafia can see through things. If someone comes up with a plan, it can't be implemented without mafia seeing it. If a power role comes up with a plan, they fear posting it because they might get targeted. And PMing is not OP, because you could end up trusting someone you shouldn't. Basically it makes the game 10 times more engaging, and the lack of it is the chief reason I haven't mafad in a while. Only playing this one because kuro is great and the rules look fun, and a lot of players who had afkd are back.

Seriously, no pming is 80% of the reason i haven't played recently.

Oh, and I know it's put in to police mass roleclaiming, but instead mass roleclaiming should be policed by saying
"you are not allowed to suggest 'claiming via PM' in the thread. You may claim to someone individually in PM, but may not suggest, or talk about, claiming by PM in thread. References to role claiming in thread should be limited to public claiming"
also
"you may not PM more than two other players in the same message" This way, you have to TRUST that the pmer has messaged other people if they want to do that.

Really, PMing is fun because you can talk individually with someone in blab, i don't really care much for making big posts and pming them.

This means that if a mass roleclaim IS to take place, it has to be orchestrated by PMing players individually, making it much more likely people will simply say "no." and reduces the impact while still preserving the positive gameplay impact of pming.

I was going to say all of this after this mafia, but rob asked so i answered.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258614#msg1258614
« Reply #75 on: March 07, 2017, 03:30:53 pm »
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Mass roleclaiming is bad. Being able to PM people is awesome (unless sub goes mental :P)

Basically i used to love blab chatting to one person at a time. getting personal scumtelling, and being able to make much more intricate gambits. Doing everything in thread just makes me not want to post because mafia can see through things. If someone comes up with a plan, it can't be implemented without mafia seeing it. If a power role comes up with a plan, they fear posting it because they might get targeted. And PMing is not OP, because you could end up trusting someone you shouldn't. Basically it makes the game 10 times more engaging, and the lack of it is the chief reason I haven't mafad in a while. Only playing this one because kuro is great and the rules look fun, and a lot of players who had afkd are back.

Seriously, no pming is 80% of the reason i haven't played recently.

Oh, and I know it's put in to police mass roleclaiming, but instead mass roleclaiming should be policed by saying
"you are not allowed to suggest 'claiming via PM' in the thread. You may claim to someone individually in PM, but may not suggest, or talk about, claiming by PM in thread. References to role claiming in thread should be limited to public claiming"
also
"you may not PM more than two other players in the same message" This way, you have to TRUST that the pmer has messaged other people if they want to do that.

Really, PMing is fun because you can talk individually with someone in blab, i don't really care much for making big posts and pming them.

This means that if a mass roleclaim IS to take place, it has to be orchestrated by PMing players individually, making it much more likely people will simply say "no." and reduces the impact while still preserving the positive gameplay impact of pming.

I was going to say all of this after this mafia, but rob asked so i answered.

You can always spoiler if you think it is information most others don't want to read/see except me -- I'm a spoiler-opener. :)

JCJ - thanks for sharing... what is it you had in mind to PM to other players this game that now you cannot due to rules?

Spoiler for sidenote:
What you describe is chat-fia and not forum mafia, right?? This part is O.T. and the above non-spoilered is really my interest/aim from this post...
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258616#msg1258616
« Reply #76 on: March 07, 2017, 03:35:46 pm »
maybe, what would you say the odds are of his being town?

There are 18 players, with 4 being Criminals and 3 being Intelligence. That leaves 11 town.

To an outsider, that gives him an 11/18 chance of being town (annoyingly can't be reduced).

However, if you're playing the game, the odds change depending on your faction. Since I'm town, the odds are 5/9 that he's town.

For all you Criminals and Intelligence players out there, there's a 11/17 chance he's town.

The math is really quite simple. Not sure how you weren't able to figure this out yourself, rob.
Nope.

Town persp: I am town. 10 others are town. 10/17 chance another player is town.

Criminal persp: I am Criminal and I know the other 3 criminals. 11 others are town. 11/14 chance another player is town.

Intell persp: I am Intelligence and I know the other 2 of my party. 11 others are town. 11/15 chance another player is town.

inb4 UTA claims to be smart still and just reaction testing me... :P
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258617#msg1258617
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2017, 03:38:27 pm »
In; I promise not to afk this time
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258618#msg1258618
« Reply #78 on: March 07, 2017, 03:47:34 pm »
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Nice catch. Figured you'd catch it, but I got the idea from the small group I lead to purposely put a (subtle) mistake out there to see if anyone will catch it / call you out on it. Ofc you did :silly:

Day 0? Weird. I didn't look at it closely and assumed we were in Night 0 (since most recent games have started with N0).

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258620#msg1258620
« Reply #79 on: March 07, 2017, 03:54:12 pm »
The best counter to mass roleclaim isn't a blanket ban. The best counter is to ensure the setup means a mass roleclaim does more harm than good.
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« Reply #80 on: March 07, 2017, 03:58:25 pm »
The best counter to mass roleclaim isn't a blanket ban. The best counter is to ensure the setup means a mass roleclaim does more harm than good.
Have you read the win-con for Intelligence third-party? I believe they are intended to serve as anti-mass-claim mechanic in this game.

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Nice catch. Figured you'd catch it, but I got the idea from the small group I lead to purposely put a (subtle) mistake out there to see if anyone will catch it / call you out on it. Ofc you did :silly:

Day 0? Weird. I didn't look at it closely and assumed we were in Night 0 (since most recent games have started with N0).
... you thought all this voting was during Night 0? 0.o
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258623#msg1258623
« Reply #81 on: March 07, 2017, 04:04:38 pm »
... you thought all this voting was during Night 0? 0.o

Honestly? Yeah. Wouldn't be that uncharacteristic of our mafia games :P

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« Reply #82 on: March 07, 2017, 04:06:48 pm »
Dawn, that was the best mafia post you ever made.

Cause its the only post he made? :sillyspin:

But yh, tuesdays and thursdays are busiest for me, so dont expect much from me today. Apart from, Espithel has 8 letters, just like "criminal".

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1258625#msg1258625
« Reply #83 on: March 07, 2017, 04:09:26 pm »
It's not chat-fia, it just lets you say things to individuals that you don't want to to the whole group.

I didn't have anything to say that i wanted to pm this game yet lol it's just started, my problem, as i thought i had made clear, was with the rule in general.

I have a feeling the last mafia game i played i was scumtelled over some irrelevant question or comment about rules or mafia in general last game i played, and it was completely wrong lol

On a serious note, it benefits intelegence and town to work together right? Can intelligence and town both win?
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