Town Lean
killsdazombies - Voted on Sub and gave solid reasons. Removed vote and gave good reasoning, as well. Decent town-lean.THIS is what gives you the strongest town read in your list? Meh.
Just seemed (at the time) to be playing seriously - one of the few (if not the only one) to do so on D0. Both adding and removing his vote, he gave reasoning that made sense. Everyone else was "same number of letters" type logic, or no logic at all. He's likely to slide back toward neutral unless I see more town-like behavior over time.
Slight Town Lean
DoubleCapitals - Voted on Sub b/c of the invisi-text. As I mentioned before, posting based on emotions is either scummy or not town-beneficial. Esp when he says "whether town or scum" which implies he'd vote to have Sub lynched even if Sub was 100% confirmed town. Most likely in this case this is town-detrimental, not scummy behavior. Strangely, slight-town read.Town-detrimental == 2nd highest town-read? What?!
Tbh? I thought his reaction was consistent with his personality. He voted based on emotion, not logic. I don't agree with this playstyle, as it's generally town-detrimental, but I don't think it was a strategic play (as mafia would do). My read was based on him acting how I would expect him to rather than forcing a certain behavior to play a role (as he'd likely do as mafia).
rob77dp - Oh boy. Not sure I wanna tackle this guy. I'll give him that he's being super active even for him. He's pushing hard to avoid No Lynch. He's avoiding lynching players without solid reasons. Decent town-lean if he wasn't rob. So I'll put him slight-town-lean. {This is rob. Don't underestimate scum-rob.}I take no issue with the resulting read placement but you're all going to need to drop any sort of awe or whatever it is that comes with trying to read me. In other words don't tackle me or under/over-estimate me - play the game and if you're town read me and if you're scum well you KNOW what you're going to have to try to do to get rid of me... scum better hope they randed all the protective roles or that the town protective roles are insane and leave in the breeze tonight.
Fair enough. I'll do so moving forward.
Very Slight Town Lean
Linkcat - rob makes a good point about Intelligence having reason to push for No Lynch. This makes me lean intelligence on Link. Not gonna vote him for that yet, though.I disagree with considering possible Intelligence aligned players as town-sided.
Yeah, maybe. I should probably have done a 3 way scale or two different scales. But this was just a mafia vs non-mafia scale. I don't want to lynch Intelligence players if we can help it, at least not early on. They're Town when it comes to the parity rule, so that's worth considering when looking for lynch targets.
Neutral
dawn to dusk - No posts except for 2 breadposts. Earlier in the day and I might vote for him to get him active, but don't wanna lynch him on the first day for not being active.Hmm, you managed reads on other players with a similar dearth of posts to that point in the game... bit of a ping that you used it to read other players but left dawn here.
Who else did I read based on 2 meaningless posts?
worldwideweb3 - "tuesdays and thursdays are busiest for me, so dont expect much from me today" - Expectations Exceeded. Dropped random vote, but posted about wanting a No Lynch. Pushed Espi for reasons on his vote (+1 town point). "I'm off to sleep" - lol. Moved vote to make a tie to try for No Lynch, then changed to No Lynch when he discovered that was an option. He's a hard neutral for me, which sucks because he's posted so much I wish I could lean one way or the other on him. He is playing like he did 2 mafias ago when he was scum, but in the short time he was alive last mafia...that was also how he played. He's aggressive and active, but at least this time he isn't screaming at rob (yet).That's an awful lot of comment to end up neutral-read -- note that you refer to the recently concluded mafia where www3 acted somewhat similarly (your assessment) and he died early... in a role where he was trying to get scumread to die early. I don't think it applies this game at all. Very odd that you have that much reaction to www3 so far but have him not just neutral but "hard neutral"... that isn't really a thing.
You make a good point about the Angel role, I had forgotten that he was trying to get lynched. That combined with his behavior since I made the list has definitely moved him on the scummy side of the scale. Best lynch target at this point in the game, imo.
iancudorinmarian - Nothing of substance, just a bread-post vote and a post about being against no lynch. Neutral read.It seems strange you manage a non-neutral read on Lunaris but ian lands here in neutral... not adding up to me.
Luna's had to do with her defense of No Lynch. I didn't agree with her stance, but it seemed like she legitimately thought that was best (as opposed to others who either seemed to be forcing it or I couldn't get a read on their reasoning). Like DC, my read of her was based on her play being reflective of her personality / how I'd expect her to play, giving her a slight town read when there wasn't anything else to go on.
Very Slight Scum Lean
fabian771 - Drops random vote, removes random vote, joins bandwagon (and was actually a deciding vote at the time). Very slight scum lean.Another one where the read seems askew from the available amount of content or interaction in the thread by fabian at the time UTA posted the lists.
I can see that. I only put him in the "very slight scum" list because his bandwagon vote was a deciding vote at the time he made it. If not for that I would have left him in neutral.
JonathanCrazyJ - Voted on Sol for self-voting. Sidebar about thread-only-communication. Votes Sub for using invisi-text (see: DC). Wasn't sure how to read this until he removed his vote after Sub's apology (though that also came after my vote was put on him). Neutral read, due to it not being as obvious to me that he was genuinely upset at Sub (see kdz's fake-rant last mafia). He did move his vote to Sol just for the sake of not No Lynching. Hmm. Change that to very-slight-scum read.JCJ this game and kdz previous game are not on the same continent for comparison. Seems you have him overall neutral with the scum-lean coming solely from the not-wanting-to-No Lynch vote -- but that aligns with LONG STANDING JCJ stance on that topic spanning multiple games and both alignments... how are you alignment-reading that coming from him??
This may sound bad, but I honestly don't recall why I moved him to very slight scum based on what I put there. I do know that since I posted the list, he's moved to very slight town.
mathman101 - Bread(?) post about being a journalist. Maybe some breadcrumbs in there somewhere. Puts down a random vote before leaving for the day. Very-slight-scum-read. Want to give him more time to be active to get a better read.I'm pretty surprised you saw enough from mathman to land him 2nd-highest scum-read for you here... you want to give him more time but are scum-reading him while waiting? Why did dawn get top-neutral treatment for a very similar lack of content/substance on Day 0? ian too? gino? It seems odd you pick math out of the low-content crowd to be the one that receives the scum-read on it.
Ah, I guess this is the read you were referring to earlier. Again, not completely sure what I was thinking. Probably that his bread post felt not bready, and that he didn't participate in the discussion at all (or voting) later on. (Not sure if I saw him in chat and expected him to or what, b/c generally I'd give benefit of the doubt of being busy irl unless I know otherwise.) If it helps, I'd move him to neutral now based on lack of substance and probably not putting as much weight on what I saw when I first put the list together.
Slight Scum Lean
Coffeeditto - Votes on Sub without giving a reason. Notably, he could have been protecting Sol b/c this tied up the vote. Slight-scum-lean.If you think your top scum-read was protecting Sol then Sol should not be a neutral read. Why would you be thinking a scum (by your reads) was protecting anything but another scum??
That last point was more an afterthought. If Coffee flips mafia at some point, I wanted it noted that he protected Sol there. It doesn't have an affect on my read of Sol until we know more about Coffee. I gave him a slight scum lean b/c of his voting without giving reasoning. He also seemed to get a little defensive that I put him there and then voted on him, so not sure what to do with that, either. Need to review N1 posts by him (if there are any) to see if my read on him has changed. Still #2 lynch target right now, imo. (Hearing his reasoning for voting on Sub could definitely affect my read, too.)
Thanks for putting this response together. I want to get better at reading players and feedback like this forces me to defend or abandon my read based on the information available.
