Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

But the CHANCE that we would lynch a non-scum is what's causing this No Lynch. Lynching a scum would be great, but lynching a non-scum makes it close to impossible for non-scum to win.

This is a second instance of logic that would result in nobody every being lynched. Town cannot sit back and wait to only vote 100% sure targets. Town doesn't win much that way.

[Espithel]

I can't get my mind around the idea that we've gone through over 20 pages and still don't have any scumreads.

Because 10 of those pages happened in the past hour

Who exactly caused this giant torrent of posts? I think it was JCJ, but I don't want to point unproven fingers.
There are absolutely some majorly scummy plays in that torrent of posts that just happened; confusion benefits the mafia. I'd riffle through them now, but I'm really tired. Please have the honour.

[UTAlan]

But the CHANCE that we would lynch a non-scum is what's causing this No Lynch. Lynching a scum would be great, but lynching a non-scum makes it close to impossible for non-scum to win.

I understand this argument, but technically this is true until town loses. Town will always outnumber mafia, meaning you will eventually have to lynch *someone*, even though there will be a > 50% chance (all else equal) that they are town.

[Lunaris]

I'm not saying that town should be waiting for 100% chances of lynching the scum. I'm just saying that we should have at least some sort of idea what the hell we are actually lynching someone for.

[rob77dp]

I can't get my mind around the idea that we've gone through over 20 pages and still don't have any scumreads.

I think you're scum... or more accurately not Town.

Sub, you can move your vote to No Lynch now.

Is nobody else bothered by the fact that this man has 5 votes on him when he's made literally 2 posts since the game started?

You seriously cannot find any kind of reason to suspect someone even close to where 40% chance to lynch scum on Day 1 interests you?

I think you might be scum here -- can you point out even one past instance where you so staunchly stood up for No Lynch like this?

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (3) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, fabian771
Submachine (3) - DoubleCapitals, Killsdazombies, Coffeeditto,
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine[conditional] <-- what even IS THIS conditional stuff?? If you're absent at EOD then you're absent... I've no idea of any precedent and nothing in rules about this.

[rob77dp]

Speaking of which, I'm about to be gone through EOD in about 5 minutes from now. Sad I know - or maybe happy? if you're looking for slower post frequencies in the thread.

I obviously do not know for sure but I am really suspecting the No Lynch pushers and to a lesser extent No Lynch followers to being Intelligence Party. One that stands out particularly is Linkcat who is pushing something I do not recall being his typical town narrative of not wanting to goof up Day 0/1.

A scumread - and I'm voting him. I have to leave -- maybe a post or two more but then glgl Town.

[UTAlan]

inb4 rob is lynched when he gets back

[killsdazombies]

dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Solaris (3) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, fabian771
Submachine (2) - DoubleCapitals, Coffeeditto,
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
No Lynch (4) - Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Lunaris, Submachine[conditional] (Even though adding "Conditional" means literally nothing)

Vote removed for now. Unsure on how to proceed, but Im returning to my thoughts on sub. His continued posting has shown the opposite effect I mentioned previously, I don't believe he is scum

vote will be posted before the end of the day

Honestly, for once I agree with rob, linkcat is giving some scum vibes right now but again, nothing close to concrete.

[Espithel]

[02:31:38] ‹Kuroaitou› No Vote/No Lynch are both valid options.

[Linkcat]

Look at any mafia I've ever played in. I have always pushed for a lynch Day 1 if I had a scumread. I have always pushed for No Lynch Day 1 if I didn't have a scumread.

[Espithel]

"There's no scumread so Day 1 shouldn't be a lynch" =/= "Day 1 never works"
You originally stated the latter.

[rob77dp]

Look at any mafia I've ever played in. I have always pushed for a lynch Day 1 if I had a scumread. I have always pushed for No Lynch Day 1 if I didn't have a scumread.

Show me one in the next 5 minutes (sorry short timeframe?) and I will re-consider my vote on you.