Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[mathman101]

After reading this last little bit of discussion, and trying to look at the rest of this night phases discussion I believe I have made my choice as of now who I should target with the Hitman poison. Should I state here who I am targeting? Or would it be best to leave it unknown until the day phase to prevent a criminal doctor ruining my SU ability?
Currently thinking unknown, unless town highly pushes me to reveal my target.

[rob77dp]

After reading this last little bit of discussion, and trying to look at the rest of this night phases discussion I believe I have made my choice as of now who I should target with the Hitman poison. Should I state here who I am targeting? Or would it be best to leave it unknown until the day phase to prevent a criminal doctor ruining my SU ability?
Currently thinking unknown, unless town highly pushes me to reveal my target.

Sadly, it is wine in front of us (WIFOU?) because if you don't state it and are killed then Criminals could try to leverage that doubt but if you state it then Criminals could use knowledge of that targets' alignment  to manipulate that way.

Perhaps wait until just before the timer runs out / phase ends to then reveal (if you are going to reveal). Don't tell us if you plan to reveal, not reveal, or last-second reveal. Just know yourself and be ready, eh? Cheers.

[UTAlan]

I agree with rob.

@rob - not sure if I'll be able to go back through previous posts. Maybe tomorrow. I'm exhausted tonight and have little to no energy. Just kinda keeping an eye on the thread, will respond to any pokes.

[mathman101]

After reading this last little bit of discussion, and trying to look at the rest of this night phases discussion I believe I have made my choice as of now who I should target with the Hitman poison. Should I state here who I am targeting? Or would it be best to leave it unknown until the day phase to prevent a criminal doctor ruining my SU ability?
Currently thinking unknown, unless town highly pushes me to reveal my target.

Sadly, it is wine in front of us (WIFOU?) because if you don't state it and are killed then Criminals could try to leverage that doubt but if you state it then Criminals could use knowledge of that targets' alignment  to manipulate that way.

Perhaps wait until just before the timer runs out / phase ends to then reveal (if you are going to reveal). Don't tell us if you plan to reveal, not reveal, or last-second reveal. Just know yourself and be ready, eh? Cheers.

Sounds fair enough, I will keep that in mind for revealing/notrevealing/lastminuterevealing.

[Coffeeditto]

So, Rob, what about if I die and flip town?

I accept my fate, I can't fight it, so while I'm here, let's talk about possibilities for the last mafia.

If mafia NK goes through tonight, that's 10 people left. 6/2/2.

Once I am lynched, it's then 5/2/2.

Tomorrow's nightkill is 4/2/2.

Once we are down to that, you guys can't make any more mistakes and someone else with good read-things could be jailed. So, you decided I was mafia, and who is the other "100% confirmed mafia"? Can I get the 2nd most scummy person in everyone's opinion?

[rob77dp]

So, Rob, what about if I die and flip town?

I accept my fate, I can't fight it, so while I'm here, let's talk about possibilities for the last mafia.

If mafia NK goes through tonight, that's 10 people left. 6/2/2.

Once I am lynched, it's then 5/2/2.

Tomorrow's nightkill is 4/2/2.

Once we are down to that, you guys can't make any more mistakes and someone else with good read-things could be jailed. So, you decided I was mafia, and who is the other "100% confirmed mafia"? Can I get the 2nd most scummy person in everyone's opinion?

1. You are not 100% confirmed mafia.
2. Who is YOUR top and 2nd-most scummy person in your opinion?

[Coffeeditto]

So, Rob, what about if I die and flip town?

I accept my fate, I can't fight it, so while I'm here, let's talk about possibilities for the last mafia.

If mafia NK goes through tonight, that's 10 people left. 6/2/2.

Once I am lynched, it's then 5/2/2.

Tomorrow's nightkill is 4/2/2.

Once we are down to that, you guys can't make any more mistakes and someone else with good read-things could be jailed. So, you decided I was mafia, and who is the other "100% confirmed mafia"? Can I get the 2nd most scummy person in everyone's opinion?

1. You are not 100% confirmed mafia.
2. Who is YOUR top and 2nd-most scummy person in your opinion?

1. Then why are you definitely lynching me? And don't say you aren't necessarily, it's a group consensus and I can't provide info against it.
2. Don't dodge the question; I will answer, though. I think Solaris is still the scummiest-playing person; he's finding the smallest things to push people on like "aw fuck" (like really, am I supposed to be like "yes! a town bodyguard! as a town, that truly benefits us!" or nothing at all?) and he's coasting hard still. He doesn't -really- provide much beneficial to any conversation.

[rob77dp]

Coffee... you can't really be claiming I'm being dodge-y about reads. No way. If you are then you're wrong.

Also, there are 51 hours between now and the next lynch so giving up is a bad idea if you're town. The first step might be something like what UTA did (killing a Criminal - Espi) or like I've done [humblebrag] (pushed a lynch on a Criminal - Luna) or in some way being solve-y. Your piece at the end there regarding your read on Solaris is a good start -- have you read the posts I made quoting various voting patterns and posts that constitute a fair portion of why I'm town-reading Sol?

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Have to leave now through end-of-day so glgl town and if I survive then let's buckle up for the home stretch.

[Coffeeditto]

Coffee... you can't really be claiming I'm being dodge-y about reads. No way. If you are then you're wrong.

Also, there are 51 hours between now and the next lynch so giving up is a bad idea if you're town. The first step might be something like what UTA did (killing a Criminal - Espi) or like I've done [humblebrag] (pushed a lynch on a Criminal - Luna) or in some way being solve-y. Your piece at the end there regarding your read on Solaris is a good start -- have you read the posts I made quoting various voting patterns and posts that constitute a fair portion of why I'm town-reading Sol?

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Have to leave now through end-of-day so glgl town and if I survive then let's buckle up for the home stretch.

You still are avoiding the question. Answer, please.

I'm not saying you're being dodgy, I just want you to re-organize all of your solid evidence against me into 1 post right here.

Everything you say about Sol being town is situational and based on me being maf. We have no way to prove I am maf, so your reasoning there is void until EoD tomorrow when I flip town and everyone lynches someone other than Sol because he looks cute or some shit like that. I think that Sol is a good candidate for being mafia because of what I said earlier, and I have nothing else as usual. At the step 1, do you think I can predict when I will get night-killed like UTA did? Also, they won't do it tonight so using my second ability would be a waste because I don't think anyone is targetting me tonight. Also also, can I ask how and why you flipped onto Luna like you did? Link posts please

[godisnowonline]

Alright. Well right now I can target with my second ability which will in fact clear me of being the second jailor.

I just need to know who to target. Fabian is a bad target and maybe solaris but neither make me particularly happy. I don't rightly know who would be the best target- We posted a few days back about it being a bad ability to use if im town but i would also like to prove that i am what i say i am.

[godisnowonline]

Who do you think i should target? can you pick 3 players that we won't be at a loss for so i can try to dodge a roleblock?

[UTAlan]

*shrug*

You either hit someone who is unreliable or you hit someone who would have brought value to the discussion. Pick your poison.