Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

Never have I ever...

seen a better TL;DR than this one from UTA.

@ DC - are you town? What do you think if Hitman shoots at you tonight??


@ dawn -- Ok. Still isn't Hitman ability which is what JCJ is concerned about.

Yes, and erm, mixed emotions. Am I getting a lot of scum vibes now? But based off my own logic at this point, the hitman, should, in theory shoot me. Because they couldn't get a word out of me.

But of course I know I'm town so my job is to convince you that that is a terrible idea.

DC - what are those mixed emotions? It seems pretty clear cut to me... If you're town then you should KNOW that you dying by Hitman shot (if Hitman is town) is:

* A town!you dying
* The waste of a town PR
* Town one step closer to parity and losing

It isn't so much your job to convince anyone to not kill you but more accurately if you're town then your job is to help town's win-con by:

1. Providing input that helps narrow down who is Criminal
2. Voting in ways that you can support as trying to help town find Criminals and kill them
3. Using night actions, whatever you may have, to benefit town objectives
4. Not waste time _only_ defending yourself unless you are convinced that is the only and best way you can pursue the above items.

(Note: I scum-read or lean players that get too much into simply defending themselves just for the sake of them not dying because Criminals definitely have a more vested interest in simply not dying whereas town should be somewhat interested in not dying but _not at the expense or exclusion_ of finding the other Criminals.)

[rob77dp]

UTA's post deserves serious consideration by any player pushing town objective (aka - if you're Town). Here it is with a few tweaks to make it less "at DC" and more "at all of us" (plus some snifty formatting).

• Don't publicly claim your role unless we specifically ask for it
  
  • If you're Jailorand used your ability on Fabian N1, speak up
  • If you're hitman and killed Link on N2, speak up
  • Otherwise, stay quiet about your role
• If you're a Doctor:
  
  • use Ability 1 on me or dd
  • use Ability 2 on yourself
• If you're Bodyguard:
  
  • feel free to target me tonight since I won't have any abilities to use anyway
  • Probably best not to use Ability 1 on anyone else since we don't want to accidentally prevent a Doctor or other power role from doing their thang.
• If you're a Hitman:
  
  • go through Link's posts and find his last reads list
  • It includes:

    Please Shoot - DC, dawn, fabian
    

    Consider hitting one of them.
• If you're an Observer, pick a scummy player and use Ability 1 on them. With luck, they'll target the NK victim and you'll be notified. IMPORTANT: If this is the case, don't come out and say so as soon as the day starts. Let the conversation go a bit first. See if you can get any info about what else might have happened to them during that night. Make sure they are mafia before you reveal yourself, as they could have been, say, a Student or another Observer targeting the NK victim.
• If you're a Refugee:
  
  • use Ability 1 every chance you get.
  • Use Ability 2 if it's still available and you think there's even a remote chance of you getting NK'd. If you're town/intel and on the scummy end of the general reads, you can probably afford to wait on this. If you're anywhere from town->neutral on the generally agreed upon reads at this point, use it, yo.
• If you're Merchant, consider using either ability on either me or dd.
• If you're a Jailor do nothing. We don't want to lock a power role or prevent town from contributing or give scum an excuse for not talking.
• If you're a Politician:
  
  • use Ability 2 (if you still have it) on one of the borderline scummy players. Someone who isn't as likely to be lynched soon but might give you some juicy details via PM.
  • Save Ability 1 for the next night as we'll have better use for it when I can use my ability.
• If you're a Student:
  
  • Use Ability 1 on a semi-scummy player, I guess? I'm honestly not sure what the value is Ability 1.
  • Ability 2 would be great. Use Ability 2 on me and guess that I'm not using any abilities. You'll get me to 100% confirmed. Also, tomorrow night you can use Ability 2 on me and guess that I'm using Ability 1 to get a coy of it for yourself.

[rob77dp]

I don't know if it is as bothersome to anyone else... but I am EBWOP here about the Jailor not having the bold/underline matching the other entries. Read nothing into that - I just failed to fully get the formatting correct. I want to modify/edit so badly but cannot and really think a double wallpost just for that could upset some of the more delicate personalities around here.

[UTAlan]

Also note that in rob's post the "me" refers to UTAlan, not rob.

[rob77dp]

Also note that in rob's post the "me" refers to UTAlan, not rob.

I got too wrapped up in formatting and dropped the ball on completing my check for "me", "you", etc... also managed to bottom-page the post too. >.< PR's should still be willing to find it, read it, and comprehend it though.

[Solaris]

still breathing here btw

[dawn to dusk]

Some things to note:

• Bodyguard, Merchant, and Jailor have other messages that go through when they target a player
• Thus, Doc, Observer and Hitman are the only abilities that are completely unknown.
• Hitman kill has a different message to NightKill

Now onto the fun.

• One Observer has already died
• 2 Unknown Actions are in play at the same time (Rescue and Monitor)
• Math shot Link on the same night that the Unknown actions came into play (And cannot use 2 abilities on the same phase)
• From this, we can deduce that there are 4 possible abilities that could have targeted either of them. Doc #1, Doc #2, Observer #2, or Hitman #2

Therefore

• If JCJ or Solaris die, we will know that there is a second Hitman. Other ability could be either Doc or Observer.
• If they do not die, but were not targeted by an ability, it means there is a combination of Doc Observer, or Doc Doc
• If they do not die, and at least 1 of them is targeted by the same ability that targeted them last night, see above
• If they do not die, and 1 of them is targeted by the opposing ability,  Hitman did not target the other player.
• If they do not die, and both of them are targeted by the opposing ability, then we will cross that road when it comes because I'm fairly certain anything could happen.
• If they do not die, and 1 of them is targeted by both known abilities, Hitman did not target the other player.
• If they do not die, and one of them is targeted by 1 new ability, we will know that there is a second Observer or Doc
• If they do not die, and either/both of them are targeted by 2 new abilities, we will know that all 4 abilities are in play.
• For all other matters, mix the appropriate circumstances (eg a third person is targeted by a known ability, see: 1/2 and 3

If you're a second Hitman, please don't screw this up by killing one of them with the 1U ability.

If I made a mistake, please correct me.

[rob77dp]

"One of them" - who is them? Is it jcj and Solaris?

[dawn to dusk]

Both instances referred to JCJ and Solaris

[rob77dp]

Why them? I mean, Hitman chooses his own action but the uta plan didn't have either of them as suggested Hitman targets...? Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at in the opening bulleted list about ability messages?

(Mobile only right now)

[UTAlan]

Why them? I mean, Hitman chooses his own action but the uta plan didn't have either of them as suggested Hitman targets...? Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at in the opening bulleted list about ability messages?

(Mobile only right now)

Because they're the ones who claimed to be targeted by "Rescue" and "Monitor".

I think we're over analyzing. Rescue is doctor, Monitor is Observer (*maybe* Student).

[rob77dp]

Best Kuro voice :

Night is over 20 minutes ago, uta.