Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[dawn to dusk]

By the way, can I just say that nobody responds to the major post of mine in the thread, then complains that I am not speaking enough.

[dawn to dusk]

Other than dd, because he seems to be a nifty exception

But like rob's only input on it was "you suck because you voted coffee" and nobody else said anything despite 20 god damned pages of posts

[dawn to dusk]

Now, since Lun flipped mafia, I am doubtful that coffee is mafia. I also don't think rob is mafia.

I'm probably inflating my posts now, but lots of smaller posts seem to be worth more than one larger post so I don't really care

[rob77dp]

dawn - I've read your recent flurry of posts/activity a couple times through and cannot solidly put my finger on one non-hedged and non-qualified opinion or read of yours in there.

/reads-one-more-time

Yeah, you basically lay down your bigpost ending it with "but everything I've said might be wrong or unoriginal or ???who knows???". You voted Coffee despite the reason being and then very quickly unvote him when the circular-reasoning of it is pointed out. Leads me to believe you were not very invested in that vote in the first place -- if so, why is now the time you're ok just tossing a bland vote out there but never earlier or not onto your 2nd top suspect (not sure at all who you think is Criminals because you haven't shared those thoughts yet)?

That was sarcasm. Of course I could be wrong. Or I could be right. If I was 100% certain on anything, then my post wouldn't be hypothetical, it would be facts, would it not? So of course I would need to entertain the possibility that I am wrong.
Legit did you read my third post on that page? Serious question.

The point of that was, if you flip mafia, then further information against Lun can nail her as either hard scum or hard town depending on what it is. Much like what I think with rob.

Also no, I am not hitman.

Of course anybody who is town could be right or wrong. MY POINT was that I find players reading the thread and poking around then posting what they think is happening and why they think they are right is less scummy than posting reads/ideas/thoughts and then hedging with why they might all be wrong.

Your acting indignant here is very offputting, but you do you.

[rob77dp]

Other than dd, because he seems to be a nifty exception

But like rob's only input on it was "you suck because you voted coffee" and nobody else said anything despite 20 god damned pages of posts

That is a gross mis-characterization.

A VERY large part of playing this game comes down to attempts to infer motivations, intent, and genuine-ness/false-ness of actions and posts of other players. I took exception not with just you voting coffee but I think you're very sensitive to being critiqued so you took it differently and went emotional-angle with it. That's OK though, carry on as you best think helps town... or your win-con... hopefully both.

[rob77dp]

Now, since Lun flipped mafia, I am doubtful that coffee is mafia. I also don't think rob is mafia.

I'm probably inflating my posts now, but lots of smaller posts seem to be worth more than one larger post so I don't really care

I'd like to read your explanation of why you view Criminal!Luna's flip as clearing of Coffee (or how it casts doubt on the existing scum-reads of Coffee).

[dawn to dusk]

I really wish I could post this after the game but Kuro told me I have to do it now

Spoiler for Out Of Game Post:

I'll remove irrelevant stuff. Everything here was said by me.

[17:10:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's actually incredibly frustrating playing mafia right now
[17:10:11] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I am so glad I skipped the last one
[17:10:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Nothing against Kuro, the theme is great, but I am hating the game at the moment
[17:11:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I should be posting this in the thread but I really don't give a crap
[17:11:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I am online for 3-6 hours depending on when I get home
[17:11:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which are also the quietest 3-6 hours on the forum
[17:11:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So of course I can't reply through the day
[17:12:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And when I get home, that is the only possibility I get to reply
[17:12:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But at that stage
[17:12:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Most queries have been resolved, kills finalised
[17:12:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Plans done
[17:13:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And there is nothing for me to say except say something new
[17:13:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which is fucking hard when there are 135 pages
[17:13:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If this was all it was, I would be fine, and I would accept it
[17:13:53] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But I am getting BLAMED for this
[17:13:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› For things I can't fucking control
[17:14:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Oh kill this guy he isn't posting much"
[17:14:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› WHAT DO YOU EXPECT
[17:14:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The hell do you expect from me
[17:16:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Right, onto list reads
[17:17:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If I was able to check the thread every 15 minutes then fine
[17:17:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So be it
[17:19:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But when I am only able to be online after 18 hours, there are 20 pages of posts
[17:19:25] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And I really can't be bothered sorting whether each and every post reflects town behaviour or not
[17:19:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I skim through half the posts as is
[17:20:02] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Because of how annoying it is to read through every post
[17:20:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But hey, if I didn't want to read the thread why did I join mafia in the first place??????

Back to the game

[godisnowonline]

dawn to dusk - real life comes first. Stress level indicates town because of the volume of posts. scum can just talk to other scum and ask.
Linkcat -- Town, Officer [Male Escort] Night 2
fabian771 --- Screaming scum at me but i can listen to reason
worldwideweb3 -- Intelligence, Officer [Detective] Day 1
UTAlan Town refugee
killsdazombies -- Not much content
godisnowonline -- Town Jailor
Solaris -- town politician
DoubleCapitals - not much to see here
JonathanCrazyJ -- scum lean
ddevans96 -- town
rob77dp-- Town
iancudorinmarian-- scum lean
Submachine-- town lean
Lunaris -- Criminal, Student [Fortune Teller] Day 2
Espithel -- Criminal, Observer [Anime Cosplayer] Night 1
Coffeeditto- stron scum bg
mathman101 --town lean

[dawn to dusk]

Spoiler for Hidden:

dawn - I've read your recent flurry of posts/activity a couple times through and cannot solidly put my finger on one non-hedged and non-qualified opinion or read of yours in there.

/reads-one-more-time

Yeah, you basically lay down your bigpost ending it with "but everything I've said might be wrong or unoriginal or ???who knows???". You voted Coffee despite the reason being and then very quickly unvote him when the circular-reasoning of it is pointed out. Leads me to believe you were not very invested in that vote in the first place -- if so, why is now the time you're ok just tossing a bland vote out there but never earlier or not onto your 2nd top suspect (not sure at all who you think is Criminals because you haven't shared those thoughts yet)?

That was sarcasm. Of course I could be wrong. Or I could be right. If I was 100% certain on anything, then my post wouldn't be hypothetical, it would be facts, would it not? So of course I would need to entertain the possibility that I am wrong.
Legit did you read my third post on that page? Serious question.

The point of that was, if you flip mafia, then further information against Lun can nail her as either hard scum or hard town depending on what it is. Much like what I think with rob.

Also no, I am not hitman.

Of course anybody who is town could be right or wrong. MY POINT was that I find players reading the thread and poking around then posting what they think is happening and why they think they are right is less scummy than posting reads/ideas/thoughts and then hedging with why they might all be wrong.

Your acting indignant here is very offputting, but you do you.

We play differently then. I would much prefer to explore all possibilities, and allow people to know that I am fine with being wrong. And I was wrong in voting for coffee, and I accept that. My idea for voting for coffee, I still think was valid. But I could have waited for other people to voice their opinions on that matter.

[rob77dp]

dawn -

Coffee is still unknown alignment, at least to me. I suspect him of being Criminal but am not sure that votes on him are in any way "wrong" or "right". What has you thinking I'm calling a Coffee vote as 'wrong'?

[dawn to dusk]

Other than dd, because he seems to be a nifty exception

But like rob's only input on it was "you suck because you voted coffee" and nobody else said anything despite 20 god damned pages of posts

That is a gross mis-characterization.

A VERY large part of playing this game comes down to attempts to infer motivations, intent, and genuine-ness/false-ness of actions and posts of other players. I took exception not with just you voting coffee but I think you're very sensitive to being critiqued so you took it differently and went emotional-angle with it. That's OK though, carry on as you best think helps town... or your win-con... hopefully both.

I'm not sensitive to being critiqued. I am salty that I tried to prompt discussion and it was returned the way it was. I tried to give topics for discussion, possibilities on what could happen. The immediate posts following it were fine. But nobody actually responded to the thing I was most interested in talking about. That being the possibility that Hitman is intel. So of course I would be salty about that

[rob77dp]

Other than dd, because he seems to be a nifty exception

But like rob's only input on it was "you suck because you voted coffee" and nobody else said anything despite 20 god damned pages of posts

That is a gross mis-characterization.

A VERY large part of playing this game comes down to attempts to infer motivations, intent, and genuine-ness/false-ness of actions and posts of other players. I took exception not with just you voting coffee but I think you're very sensitive to being critiqued so you took it differently and went emotional-angle with it. That's OK though, carry on as you best think helps town... or your win-con... hopefully both.

I'm not sensitive to being critiqued. I am salty that I tried to prompt discussion and it was returned the way it was. I tried to give topics for discussion, possibilities on what could happen. The immediate posts following it were fine. But nobody actually responded to the thing I was most interested in talking about. That being the possibility that Hitman is intel. So of course I would be salty about that

Hmmm, ok fair I suppose. From my POV I'm very much unconcerned with whether Hitman is Intel when they've burned the 1U snipe already and we're lynching Criminals. I maybe did not make that clear with a direct response to you on that.