Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[godisnowonline]

@rob that is correct. Kuro said something when i pressed for information about why fabian didn't die and it's just stuck with me and made me super paranoid/100% sure hes scum. I'm skirting a fine line there though so i can't really elaborate. As for targets i've only used my ability 1 once on utalan last night. I have not used my ability 2 at all. I can see why you say that rob but we can also use it to kill the scum we decide we are not lynching that day. i mean they have to hang themselves but we can give them the rope and hope they jump.

[ddevans96]

I should be sleeping, but I wanted to respond to this. 1) The "dd started it, so that's something" was town-credit, not scum-suspicion. As in, okay a near-confirmed town started this train, so it's not all bad. 2) I later disclaimed that I couldn't recall any reasons already given. My own fault and laziness. I'll go back and find that tomorrow. 3) I forgot to respond, but yes, replace rob with you on the plans I proposed.

All fair. Bit of a weird day for me (not at home, etc) so I probably got more reactionary than I needed to, sorry.

Gotta say I kinda agree now. He looks all kinds of shady after Lunaris flipped mafia. Go back to a more vague / generic plan of protection? It would be nice to keep the stronger town reads alive so mafia has to whittle down the pools they're lying in.

Yeah, I don't really disagree with it not happening either.

my hailmary is Coffee and Ian as last 2 maf

Definitely would not surprise me if one of them is, leaning Coffee. Not sure about both.

[rob77dp]

[seriously trying to calm my jets... lynching a Criminal has my competitive juices flowing right now though, thank me later town]

I'll just use everyone else's format.

Town
Coffee - Hi, I am me.
UTA - His killing of Espithel confirms him as town, as that could not have been maf killing maf as Kuro said maf can't kill eachother on purpose. Generally waits to jump aboard a train, and seeks reasoning.
Rob - Talks too much to not be town, and is actively looking for maf by questioning anyone and everyone. That being said, he likes to push on everyone maybe a little too much. Possibly INT.

Town Lean
killsda - Partakes in discussions, delayed our lynch yesterday to try and make sure we really wanted to lynch W3 instead of me or Sol. Hasn't said an awfully large amount of things, though.
Submachine - I can't really tell, but I get a town feeling from him and I think he is thinking more about how to win the game for town instead of how to be clear; something I'm not doing :V
JCJ - Approaches situations logically which translates to him being towny. I think he saying/doing what makes the most sense as opposed to what everyone else is doing.

Neutral/Too hard to tell
ddevans - I have no idea about him. I think he's slightly more town than neutral, but he could go either way. I know he's posted a lot, but I can't confidently call him either role. Possibly INT.
iancudorinmarian - I haven't seen much from him besides him liking to follow the towny peoples' calls.

Scum Lean
Lunaris - I appreciate her firmly believing I am town, and I think she is town as well because placing trust in a town-called-scum is useless for maf. However, she has a playstyle that is very scum-like: coasting a lot, not giving fully helpful answers/replies and being pretty vague with everything. Plus, not sure why she thinks rob is scum.
Solaris - He went from 'I don't give a fuck' to an aggressive pusher, almost similar to Rob. The reason why I think Sol is scum and not Rob is because of this huge shift in playstyle. Agree with him on Fabian though.
DC - Too quiet, maybe a little giddy when it comes to lynching/bandwagons. Not sure, though.

Scum
Mathman101 - Thank you for saving me! But, mathman has been nearly silent and gave no reason for saving me or much reasoning behind his actions at all. Coasting and not being very affirmative or supportive of his own choices.
Fabian - He's too quiet and riding too much to be beneficial to us even if he was town. Not sure how the jailer thing worked out, but I pretty firmly believe he is maf.

I'm confident enough in my Coffee _read_ that I think Coffee's reads list - generated around the time of that awkward exchange with lunaris - should get analyzed too.

1. Notice the major hedging and mismatch of the read and the list placement of Lunaris in there...

2. _IF_ Coffee flips Criminal somewhere down the road I think this spews fabian as town.

3. dd being in Neutral is... well, I think it is telling -- dd had already all but been confirmed as town by the Link claims and death/flip. It either is lack of attention to details in the thread despite following it/posting (a scum-tell sometimes) or desire to keep dd on the table despite the Link stuff.

4. The DC placement, read content, and read conclusion look all kinds of mismatched to me. I think the RED Scum pair is probably both town with DC being the "lowest" possible scum in the overall reads, should Coffee flip and be Criminal.

[iancudorinmarian]

I say Luna is scum.since the beginning, and exactly when I say I guess she is town, she is lynched and flips criminal.

I also used an ability last night on UTA. (It was a helpful one, dont worry)

[Solaris]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

I don't know, Lunaris seems like she is actually playing the newb-town instead of newb-scum to me.

Your latter statement is correct. Confirmed.

interesting post here

[Solaris]

scummoning

[rob77dp]

@rob that is correct. Kuro said something when i pressed for information about why fabian didn't die and it's just stuck with me and made me super paranoid/100% sure hes scum. I'm skirting a fine line there though so i can't really elaborate. As for targets i've only used my ability 1 once on utalan last night. I have not used my ability 2 at all. I can see why you say that rob but we can also use it to kill the scum we decide we are not lynching that day. i mean they have to hang themselves but we can give them the rope and hope they jump.

OK, so:

A. You're claiming to be Jailor.
B. You're claiming to have NEVER used your Ability 2.
C. This means either fabian is lying (and Kuro is cleanest/cleverest/best mod out there) _or_ there is another Jailor, likely Criminal given blind use of Ability 2 so early _or_ you are lying.

--> If we find/flip a 3rd Criminal and they are NOT Jailor secondary role I'm down for lynching in order fabian-then-gino. Thoughts?

[godisnowonline]

I'll take the lynch to find out if fabian flips town. All i know is that him softing that claim, posting with an e and not dying smells like scum in my book. I can't be the only one making that note.

[Solaris]

And yes, I'm continuing to shitpost because I've got nothing better to do. It also let's people know that I still read this.



Ok, something useful: I don't think Solaris is scum. I do think www3, Submachine, Linkcat and/or Lunaris are (in this order). Or maybe some of the more silent people. (Which are either scum or useless town)

That's it for now.

of the 5 people listed, we know their factions as

general town lean/town/?????????????/town/scum lean

potentially a somewhat deep drop here to have something to refer back to? he does refer to Lunaris as his weakest scum

tinfoil intensifies

(Sub needs to talk more, silence is unnerving)

[rob77dp]

I say Luna is scum.since the beginning, and exactly when I say I guess she is town, she is lynched and flips criminal.

I also used an ability last night on UTA. (It was a helpful one, dont worry)

ian, would you have moved away from math had you been up/around/present couuple hours before now?

You are nearly scum-reading yourself with that first statement though -- scum-reading a player and never strongly pushing them and then later reading them as town as the tide turns against that person then they are lynched as Criminal is frequently a scum-tell.

Caveat: It is possible you would have realized this already and if Criminal avoided posting that statement.

I'll take the lynch to find out if fabian flips town. All i know is that him softing that claim, posting with an e and not dying smells like scum in my book. I can't be the only one making that note.

I don't want to lynch you -- let's stay calm here eh? I'm just putting down my thoughts that if a 3rd Criminal flips and it fabian/you are both still alive then if that 3rd Criminal is NOT jailor town really really should consider lynching fabian-and-then-you-if-fabian-is-town.

[iancudorinmarian]

I really don't know what to believe anymore, but I assume I can safely follow what Link wanted.

Coffeeditto (5) - rob77dp, Submachine, JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) -  Lunaris

I'm still going to lynch Sub at some point though. Maybe Lunaris as well, but she looks more and more like town.

Please go further into how you've developed your town-read on Luna. I'm interested to see your view/take/opinion and how you arrived there.

Also, please confirm or correct my presumption that you are saying your scum-read on Coffee is based on 'follow what Link wanted'. Thanks.

I don't know, Lunaris seems like she is actually playing the newb-town instead of newb-scum to me.

Your latter statement is correct. Confirmed.

interesting post here

Yes, that is what I am talking about.

I cant be on at day deadline btw since that is like 4 AM for me.at something, so my vote at the end of the day is irrelevant. (In case someone thinks to use that against me)

[iancudorinmarian]

@rob, I have not started a Luna train because Sub was the next on my lynch list after www3. And yes. I  would have changed my vote, especially for someone on my scum list.