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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260300#msg1260300
« Reply #1440 on: March 15, 2017, 11:43:53 pm »
Additionally, _mathman_ if you are town then give us just an hour or two of your time to help town out. Really-town-math able to do that is going to advance town win-con by miles and miles.



Ok will do my best to stick around(will need about 20mins at some point for supper though). What exactly am I supposed to be saying/doing, just a guess at who would be a better lynch then myself it looks like, or did I miss something else? Give me a minute or 2 to see who is alive and where the current votes are.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260301#msg1260301
« Reply #1441 on: March 15, 2017, 11:46:08 pm »
Since it is fairly close to end of the day phase, and most likely I am to be killed off I'm gonna apologize for acting like a village idiot.

I did not know Link had claimed cop, and may have acted more out of emotional anger/rage at continually being called scum instead of town, instead of shooting with a logical scum reads. I was the assassin who shot Link.

Sorry I have been really inactive and not a good towny player, I thought I could handle mafia again hoping I could manage about 100 posts per day or night phase but this is much more than I can read and acknowledge per phase.

All I have left is my Ability 2, and my unfortunate but poor activity levels, so kill me off and hopefully mafia loses and we win! :D

I'd love rob's take on this. Does it change your read on him?
I'd love YOUR read on it, UTA... you're MUCH more confirmed than myself given you have that awesome Espi N1 kill to your 99.9% credit.

It looks like mathman is claiming:
* To be Hitman.
* Used ability 1 snipe on Link previous night phase.
* KILLED the town Cop.
* Been afk nearly the entire game having a total of 13 posts at time of this writing.
* Has resigned to a fate of being lynched today.
* Offers no additional solving or town-benefit input.

My take:
~ Appeal To Emotion (ATE) is a common scum/Criminal thing to do when under the gun because pretending to solve or be 'town useful' risks spewing their teammates (that is, giving away who is teamed with them or who isn't).
~ mathman has not offered any attempt to solve or help town in this post... hence, ATE.
~ Given the current size of the wagon on math I suspect at least one Criminal, regardless of math's alignment, is in the group.
~ Shooting the town Cop who CLAIMED is _really_ bad play given the situation. Bad enough that he is claiming to be town AND HAVE SHOT THE SAME TARGET AS the Criminals did i.e. aligned his Night Action with that of the faction whose win-con is eliminating town.

--> If math is really Hitman and really did shoot Link last night then if I ponder for a bit more I think my current gut of math=town may be right.

Im at a good point inbetween nyquils so i'll say some stuff

1. Constantly mentioning the N1 outplay UTA did, and constantly mentioning how he saved the day (Using words like awesome/incredible) gives me a kind of "sucking up" vibe and downplaying your own confirmedness seems to be playing to it as well. Its not something im acting on, or suggest anyone else acts on, but its important to note these things I think. Then again, I scum-read rob 7/10 times it seems

2. Mathman has professed to essentially, not playing the game. It seems he only looked for keywords (IE, Mathman) and shot link out of "Dont attack me Im town"-ness and lots of players, myself included, get when they are accused.

And youre right, it is entirely an appeal to emotion, but its not one with a /point/ usually the appeal has a structured goal you can see, it might be hidden but its there when it has a motive behind it. I've read it a lot now and I dont see a real selling point. It looks like a bow out to me, as gino said.

Lets think about what that means, a town bow out essentially is "Im not playing anymore byeguys" so is it really bad to lynch him? Of course, with it comes the fact that we just killed a town, and are a step closer to death, but realistically if we werent in a situation with another target (it seems today we have a few, Im not sure how the vote has really evolved, most of my reading has come with a drug based haze) it wouldnt be the end of the world to lynch a useless (read: Given up) town "just in case"

Im never a supporter of the purposeless lynch, and I cant jump on the mathtrain with the thought that hes town, but im not about to condemn it either.

Another alternative is to lynch dawn or someone less with outrageously low post count.

side note, fabian should be talking a lot more since he was just released from jail. He should be asked about last day/night and the current day a lot. I dont like that hes still so quiet.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260302#msg1260302
« Reply #1442 on: March 15, 2017, 11:47:26 pm »
I'd love YOUR read on it, UTA... you're MUCH more confirmed than myself given you have that awesome Espi N1 kill to your 99.9% credit.

Basically what's been stated here. The Link assassination is almost certainly from town. Without a counter claim, I'm likely to believe math is town (though wouldn't put him in the confirmed category). So lynching Luna or someone else would be my preference, depending on how the rest of the day goes.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260303#msg1260303
« Reply #1443 on: March 15, 2017, 11:50:15 pm »
1. Constantly mentioning the N1 outplay UTA did, and constantly mentioning how he saved the day (Using words like awesome/incredible) gives me a kind of "sucking up" vibe and downplaying your own confirmedness seems to be playing to it as well. Its not something im acting on, or suggest anyone else acts on, but its important to note these things I think. Then again, I scum-read rob 7/10 times it seems

I agree with the "sucking up" thing, but I would expect scum!rob to not go out of his way to remind us that he isn't confirmed. Even without explicitly trying to claim he is confirmed, just leaving it out there would give a general sense of "oh yeah rob is town" feeling. Saying "hey guys remember that I'm not confirmed" is more of a townie play, trying to encourage everyone to think for themselves and not follow any leaders.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260304#msg1260304
« Reply #1444 on: March 15, 2017, 11:51:35 pm »
Coffeeditto (3) - JonathanCrazyJ, Solaris, Gino
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Coffee - what say you to UTA's plan?

Solaris, are you game for it?

Jailor who targeted Fabian... if you're town then keep your meddling lock-and-key out of this.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260305#msg1260305
« Reply #1445 on: March 15, 2017, 11:52:12 pm »
Probably my last post before eod. Math is either a clever scum with an intricate plan or town. Both has happened in the past.

In whichever case, i'll at least make a change flexible by moving my vote again. If people want math dead, there are enough votes to do so, and if not, i helped.

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260306#msg1260306
« Reply #1446 on: March 15, 2017, 11:54:17 pm »
I think this is the current vote:
Spoiler for Hidden:
Coffeeditto (1) - Solaris
mathman101 (6) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, Submachine, rob77dp, JonathanCrazyJ, gino
DoubleCapitals (1) - ddevans96

And the current list of Alive players from Kuro's OP:
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dawn to dusk
fabian771
UTAlan
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Solaris
DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ
ddevans96
rob77dp
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Submachine
Lunaris
Coffeeditto
mathman101


Looking at the last page or two, it appears as if some strong sort of plan was made involving coffee, UTA, rob, and Sola. so probably these four should be saved for a while to try and help keep finding mafia.

Dawn, DC, and gino are the next 3 lowest count posts to mine that are still living so I would think to lynch one of them.(maybe starting with dawn as he is the lowest). otherwise I would follow Link's gut and go for luna, as he is good at mafia and usually can find the scummy players.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260307#msg1260307
« Reply #1447 on: March 15, 2017, 11:55:16 pm »
Im never a supporter of the purposeless lynch, and I cant jump on the mathtrain with the thought that hes town, but im not about to condemn it either.

If we think math is town, I don't want to lynch him. Even if he doesn't do anything else all game, forcing mafia to NK him over us lynching him potentially extends the game a bit.

side note, fabian should be talking a lot more since he was just released from jail. He should be asked about last day/night and the current day a lot. I dont like that hes still so quiet.

Totally agree. And here's another call for any town jailors who used their ability on fab N1 to speak up!

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260308#msg1260308
« Reply #1448 on: March 15, 2017, 11:56:49 pm »
Will be occupied, so only posting to make sure I don't die.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260309#msg1260309
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Will be occupied, so only posting to make sure I don't die.
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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260310#msg1260310
« Reply #1450 on: March 16, 2017, 12:03:10 am »
Coffeeditto (1) - Solaris
mathman101 (6) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, Submachine, rob77dp, JonathanCrazyJ, gino
DoubleCapitals (2) - ddevans96, Submachine

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Re: Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64236.msg1260311#msg1260311
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Coffeeditto (1) - Solaris
mathman101 (6) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, rob77dp, JonathanCrazyJ, gino
DoubleCapitals (2) - ddevans96, Submachine

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