Elements Mafia 67 - by fabian771

[UTAlan]

UTA - are you willing to lay down your Hunter-life for town benefit?

I have an idea but it is predicated on the idea we either hit the BBWW today _or_ the conversion has already happened...

Of course, if it is actually to town benefit. Right now I don't see how it would be needed as I'm pretty sure kdz is 100% mafia. Am I wrong? Kinda confused about why 3 people have made multiple posts since I pointed this out and nobody has even acknowledged it.

[Ryli]

I acknowleged it, but I'm not backing down on Sol because I'm confident on him. Rob needs to make the decision to lynch kdz.

[Ryli]

I fear that may leave a tie though, if kdz comes in to put the 2nd vote on me.

[Ryli]

Actually I'd be a 3rd on kdz if that happened, that's not a problem.

[rob77dp]

I'd like to start by repeating: Ryli is either town!Civilian _or_ converted to being a werewolf.

UTA - if you are town then scum is highly likely either kdz/Sol/converted-Ryli _or_ kdz/Sol/?conversion-maybe-not-yet?.

I want to hash out here in the thread a plan to lynch you and have you Hunter-target either kdz or Sol. Would you go with that?

Can everyone weigh in on that idea?

[UTAlan]

@Rob - first, do you agree that kdz is as near to 100% mafia as we can get without Seer confirming? If so, no need to take out a townie, too, in the process. I'm not unwilling if I could see an actual benefit for town, but unless I'm missing something, kdz HAS to be mafia.

[Ryli]

Lynching you would confirm that you're not a convert. If you're a convert, we find the missing wolf, if not, we get an original wolf.

That's the benefit.

[Ryli]

I'm not too keen on it, I'd rather take a direct wolf kill at this point.

[rob77dp]

Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan. If you were converted by a sharp-eyed Sol who caught your crumbs then this plan lynches wolf!UTA and if it misses we stay above parity (I think? don't have my parity-notes with me at work... they're at home) by your ability sniping a wolf among Sol/kdz.

[UTAlan]

Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan. If you were converted by a sharp-eyed Sol who caught your crumbs then this plan lynches wolf!UTA and if it misses we stay above parity (I think? don't have my parity-notes with me at work... they're at home) by your ability sniping a wolf among Sol/kdz.

Gotcha. But working out the numbers, I don't think we do stay above parity. It's potentially 4 town to 3 wolves right now. If(/when) I flip town, I take out kdz, putting us at 3t-2w. NK goes through, putting it at 2v2, giving mafia the win.

[rob77dp]

Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan. If you were converted by a sharp-eyed Sol who caught your crumbs then this plan lynches wolf!UTA and if it misses we stay above parity (I think? don't have my parity-notes with me at work... they're at home) by your ability sniping a wolf among Sol/kdz.

Gotcha. But working out the numbers, I don't think we do stay above parity. It's potentially 4 town to 3 wolves right now. If(/when) I flip town, I take out kdz, putting us at 3t-2w. NK goes through, putting it at 2v2, giving mafia the win.

Ugh, I think you're math is right... Plan B -- lynch wolf today and have wolves NK you tonight so you can target another wolf?

Given that, I do not see value in a lynch today outside of Sol or kdz. @killsdazombies @Solaris what do you think, who is wolf that we should lynch today and why?

[UTAlan]

@Rob - So you're confident it's Solaris over Ryli? What has you leaning that way? (Honestly trying to learn from you b/c based on their posts I don't know which one is more likely to be mafia.) Can I get an agreement from you that kdz is 100% mafia based on the numbers and uncontested role claims?