Whats to stop the white werewolf from just declaring all the other wolves and then winning with the civs?
Some questions for clarification:
A - Sorcerer -- they get 1x of each potion for the whole game? Or as long as only using just 1 of either life or death potion they keep having potions? Can self-target?
B - Angel -- beyond the first Day, angel wins only with Civilians?
C - Cupid -- can self-target?
D - Flute player -- can self-target?
E - Wild Kid -- can self-target?
//probably-in
Just read through rules - sounds interesting but needs more players, so join please everyone!
About sorcerer, when does he receive the Nk target? Will there be two parts to night phase? One for sending Nk and other for post Nk for sorcerer?
I think that is commonly done as this:Just read through rules - sounds interesting but needs more players, so join please everyone!
About sorcerer, when does he receive the Nk target? Will there be two parts to night phase? One for sending Nk and other for post Nk for sorcerer?
Supposed to be, and/or WW are encouraged to send target ASAP so it can be sent to sorcerer.
Because some of you might have the doubt, I'll drop this here: there are regular night abilities in night 0, and night posting is allowed.
+1Because some of you might have the doubt, I'll drop this here: there are regular night abilities in night 0, and night posting is allowed.
Edited his post. Can we get a mod-kill here?
Will we be avoiding lynching for Day 1?
Anyone else have thoughts on whether we should lynch D1?
Hitting a Wild Kid's civ target also has us 4 down, and a 3rd wolf present by Day 2. Looks bad no matter how we slice things.
not lynching is like telling WW come kill us, we arent defending ourselves.
Lynching is our one way of confirming a player as Werewolf aside from seer roles. If our one tool isnt being used, what's the point?
Lynching is our one way of confirming a player as Werewolf aside from seer roles. If our one tool isnt being used, what's the point?
Paraphrase: Lynching is the only way to confirm except for the other way. We need to do it because it's the only tool (...except for the other tool). :sillyspin:
For real, though, I don't disagree. I'm leaning toward lynching on D1 being a good thing despite the risk. But I'd like to hear more on why it's worth the risk, not just that we should do it. All of the arguments so far make sense in a normal game, but they don't take the Angel role into account. We can decide it's worth the risk, but we shouldn't just ignore it and plow ahead as though that role doesn't exist.
Thing is, you want to lower your chances at winning the game in fear of lowering your chances at winning the game.
We.Are.NOT.no lynching.
this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book
Are you projecting your own thoughts onto me by me merely complaining about the balance of the game now that it's shifted completely 180, especially with night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48? :Pthis games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book
Are you upset by randomizing as wolf again but in a setup adjusted to weaken the wolf advantage?
You could have said "no". What do you mean about the 24h nightkill but 48h nights - I don't see that anywhere?? Also, can you clarify what you're saying in your last parenthetical statement?Are you projecting your own thoughts onto me by me merely complaining about the balance of the game now that it's shifted completely 180, especially with night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48? :Pthis games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book
Are you upset by randomizing as wolf again but in a setup adjusted to weaken the wolf advantage?
(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)
(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)
yeah, I already stated that I disliked the ruleset, at the least I'd like to have fun in a balanced environment. as far as face value, sure, it might look that way, but I think looking at anything at face value in mafia is in error(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)
I think the idea is that you're complaining that it's imbalanced in favor of town. Though this may actually be based on wanting to have more fun / keeping the integrity of the game intact, you gotta admit that at face value that looks a little scummy, eh?
as far as face value, sure, it might look that way, but I think looking at anything at face value in mafia is in error
Also, I think Hunter and Sorcerer should be ready to target (with their abilities when needed/activated/used) any 0-posters should we have any. Dead weight 0-posting is a distraction during day lynch decisions and possible dead-end for any night actions.
But what are your thoughts on the plan itself? I suppose you are OK with it or like it since you're already taking it further...Also, I think Hunter and Sorcerer should be ready to target (with their abilities when needed/activated/used) any 0-posters should we have any. Dead weight 0-posting is a distraction during day lynch decisions and possible dead-end for any night actions.
anti, gino, and w3 at this point
Word of warning, my internet is down (hence why ive been gone/on mobile so much) I'll post a bit when I can, but the in depth posting youve come to know from me will be lacking (Sarcasm cause Im useless in mafia anyway :P regardless of internet availability)scummy --
Its been like four hours, calm down UTA. Honestly, the whole "murder the 0posters" thing gets a little old when you call it out minute one.
I agree, 0posters contribute nothing, but give people a day on night 0 to get on, seriously.
Its been like four hours, calm down UTA. Honestly, the whole "murder the 0posters" thing gets a little old when you call it out minute one.Weird - forum did not warn me you had posted ahead of my post addressed to you...
I agree, 0posters contribute nothing, but give people a day on night 0 to get on, seriously.
That being said, until I get internet (Burn to the ground ATNT) my posting will be limited to votes, and sparse discussion. If you post something in the thread that you need answered by me, PM me a message saying "MAFIA THREAD" (And nothing else) ((If this is acceptable to the Host/FGO)) Since I'll get an email about it
Its been like four hours, calm down UTA. Honestly, the whole "murder the 0posters" thing gets a little old when you call it out minute one.Weird - forum did not warn me you had posted ahead of my post addressed to you...
I agree, 0posters contribute nothing, but give people a day on night 0 to get on, seriously.
That being said, until I get internet (Burn to the ground ATNT) my posting will be limited to votes, and sparse discussion. If you post something in the thread that you need answered by me, PM me a message saying "MAFIA THREAD" (And nothing else) ((If this is acceptable to the Host/FGO)) Since I'll get an email about it
Anyways, I know my plan is not to TRY to attack 0-posters but that the roles that risk really hurting town if used randomly if no good scum suspects are around would be good for them to be ready to zap a 0-poster as the better value play to unknown random-shot.
Sol - please address what you mean by "night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48?". Thanks.WEW IM DRUNK
Sol - please address what you mean by "night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48?". Thanks.WEW IM DRUNK
tl;dr: mafia has to deliberate and NK in 24h when town has 48h to lynch, correct me if im wrong
Sol - Night is still 48 hours. It's day that's broken up into 2 24-hour phases.
this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why aren't all these documented? too many things are off book
Lc - what is this about no wild kid? And 3 ww fire scoring but two stated by fabian771?
Sol - Night is still 48 hours. It's day that's broken up into 2 24-hour phases.
Sol, quick, are you mafia? You have 10 seconds to respond after you read this.I'm going to put as much as I can think of, whether "maybe premature" or not _yet_ relevant, into the thread now. As a high volume player typically, I've reason to be concerned about limited longevity.this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why aren't all these documented? too many things are off book
Alternate win conditions like Angel and Jester are not uncommon and never end the game when triggered. I agree the rules could have been written better. While we're at it, players do not reveal their alignment on death, only their role.Lc - what is this about no wild kid? And 3 ww fire scoring but two stated by fabian771?
Reread my moderator post.
There are effectively 3 mafia in this game, it's just that one of them doesn't start as mafia. The game will be scored as if there were 3 mafia from the start.
There is no reason for us to voluntarily lynch a VI claim.
Calm down on the low poster talk, it's Night 0.Sol - Night is still 48 hours. It's day that's broken up into 2 24-hour phases.
Reread the new Night 0 post.
That's nice.And?
this smells baityHmmm, intersting take Sol -- what do you find baity about Lc's 'That's nice' statement?
acting scummy in hopes of baiting a lynch as he giggles eternally on his Angel rolethis smells baityHmmm, intersting take Sol -- what do you find baity about Lc's 'That's nice' statement?
Is Linkcat really ever a good Day 1 lynch target though? I think it would be a rare bad performance from Linkcat to let himself be mislynched Day 1 if he is town or manage to get outted in the thread on Day 1 if he is scum. Are you the Angel, Sol? It seems a bit hyper-focused to take just a couple posts from Lc so far and jump to this already from it...acting scummy in hopes of baiting a lynch as he giggles eternally on his Angel rolethis smells baityHmmm, intersting take Sol -- what do you find baity about Lc's 'That's nice' statement?
It's a bold move, cotton, let's see how it pays off
So what does the angel do if lynching them doesn't end the game? We just play the whole game regardless of having all lost anyway? I don't understand.
Angel is a civillianSo what does the angel do if lynching them doesn't end the game? We just play the whole game regardless of having all lost anyway? I don't understand.
You play the game as it is. So essentially, there can be two groups of winners if angel is lynched. But what happens if angel isnt lynched? which faction does she play for?
UTA - maybe we should have just fleshed this out in scumchat before revealing it to the masses? Although, I guess privately polishing the plan might be too obvious if the plan was squeaky clean and had not "just thought it up" kinks to it?
While we're at it, players do not reveal their alignment on death, only their role.
Reread the new Night 0 post.
Not quite sure right now how to read that UTA response to me... When I made the comment I had expected something more like "I don't have scumchat" or such if he is town but instead it was the 'Woooooow' which seems to me like it might come from a place of UTA thinking he needs to respond or address it but is not really sure how to do it comprehensively so hence the awkward 'woooooow'. I'll have to think about that for a bit.UTA - maybe we should have just fleshed this out in scumchat before revealing it to the masses? Although, I guess privately polishing the plan might be too obvious if the plan was squeaky clean and had not "just thought it up" kinks to it?
Woooooow. ::)While we're at it, players do not reveal their alignment on death, only their role.
>.< This should at least help any concerns of town having a huge advantage. (I don't like it, but I guess I get it.)Reread the new Night 0 post.
Derp. I see it now, thanks.
Also this:
SORCERER:
If you learn the name of the N0 NK-target and believe they are valuable as town then do not hesitate to use the saving potion on them. Later on in the game is when the potion of death is more valuable when good re-direct scummy targets are established or visible in the thread.
rob still reading every post as if it was a mafia :/ Things haven't changed from last mafia, eh rob?Hmmm, a meta-read eh www3? Let me see here - you were scum in that one and never made this kind of comment to me there (you just pushed me a bit to try to mislynch me since you were scum).
"Disagree" <-- I do no think that word means what you think it means. Your following verbiage agrees with me yet you say you disagree...?Also this:
SORCERER:
If you learn the name of the N0 NK-target and believe they are valuable as town then do not hesitate to use the saving potion on them. Later on in the game is when the potion of death is more valuable when good re-direct scummy targets are established or visible in the thread.
I disagree. Sorcerer is best to use his potions when he thinks it's needed. Using it N0 could be a waste.
rob still reading every post as if it was a mafia :/ Things haven't changed from last mafia, eh rob?Hmmm, a meta-read eh www3? Let me see here - you were scum in that one and never made this kind of comment to me there (you just pushed me a bit to try to mislynch me since you were scum).
Prev game:
town!rob
scum!www3
--> www3 hints here that he thought I was overly applying scumreads last game but never posted it there
Current game:
www3 has publicly posted thinking he sees me making too many scumreads just like last game.
--> I think www3 likely different alignment as last game and I know I'm the same alignment
www3 - have yourself a slight town-read. Bully for me because I can poo-poo your statement I'm reading every post as if from a mafioso and accurately reflect my views this game.
:)
rob still reading every post as if it was a mafia :/ Things haven't changed from last mafia, eh rob?wait, this isn't mafia? did I acidentally join Quantafied?
"Disagree" <-- I do no think that word means what you think it means. Your following verbiage agrees with me yet you say you disagree...?Also this:
SORCERER:
If you learn the name of the N0 NK-target and believe they are valuable as town then do not hesitate to use the saving potion on them. Later on in the game is when the potion of death is more valuable when good re-direct scummy targets are established or visible in the thread.
I disagree. Sorcerer is best to use his potions when he thinks it's needed. Using it N0 could be a waste.
I definitely and purposely included caveat in that plan that only if the Sorcerer has town feelings on the previewed player up for NK. That is, the main purpose was to make sure Sorcerer was aware they can use and should not hesitate to use their ability early if they see some need for and value in it.
If that is your stance then why is N0 not possible to fit with your piece about "when he thinks it's needed"? You now seem to be explaining it as if you meant it to preclude possibility that N0 target might be viewed as "needed" by the Sorcerer."Disagree" <-- I do no think that word means what you think it means. Your following verbiage agrees with me yet you say you disagree...?Also this:
SORCERER:
If you learn the name of the N0 NK-target and believe they are valuable as town then do not hesitate to use the saving potion on them. Later on in the game is when the potion of death is more valuable when good re-direct scummy targets are established or visible in the thread.
I disagree. Sorcerer is best to use his potions when he thinks it's needed. Using it N0 could be a waste.
I definitely and purposely included caveat in that plan that only if the Sorcerer has town feelings on the previewed player up for NK. That is, the main purpose was to make sure Sorcerer was aware they can use and should not hesitate to use their ability early if they see some need for and value in it.
You say use potion N0, I say do not use potion N0, where the hell do you see I agree with you?
If you don't bother to read correctly, what tells me you bother to try to make town win?
Not quite sure right now how to read that UTA response to me... When I made the comment I had expected something more like "I don't have scumchat" or such if he is town but instead it was the 'Woooooow' which seems to me like it might come from a place of UTA thinking he needs to respond or address it but is not really sure how to do it comprehensively so hence the awkward 'woooooow'. I'll have to think about that for a bit.
UTA - what is it that leads you to believe town has a huge advantage this game? I mean, town starts with very little information (their own role/alignment is all they receive at start of the game) so typically town starts out feeling overwhelmed. EVEN WHEN the setup might actually be town-sided the lack of initial information generally a sense of outnumbered and out-information'd.
Both of those are responses I expect from town!UTA more often than scum!UTA. Town-lean on you sir.Not quite sure right now how to read that UTA response to me... When I made the comment I had expected something more like "I don't have scumchat" or such if he is town but instead it was the 'Woooooow' which seems to me like it might come from a place of UTA thinking he needs to respond or address it but is not really sure how to do it comprehensively so hence the awkward 'woooooow'. I'll have to think about that for a bit.
Ha. Overanalyzing much? I could argue the opposite. If I were mafia, I'd want to make sure it was clear that I had no scumchat or anything like it! As town, I see that you're making a joke or trying to get a read on me. Since I'm not too concerned about being read as mafia (since I'm 100% town) I chuckle at you saying that and post a humorous (to me) response.UTA - what is it that leads you to believe town has a huge advantage this game? I mean, town starts with very little information (their own role/alignment is all they receive at start of the game) so typically town starts out feeling overwhelmed. EVEN WHEN the setup might actually be town-sided the lack of initial information generally a sense of outnumbered and out-information'd.
Uh, I was mostly going based on Solaris' post earlier in the thread, though in hindsight using a drunk man's posts as my premise is likely to make for a bad conclusion :silly:
Now I obviously agree that town is automatically at a disadvantage to some degree, but the game was restarted b/c it was too mafia-friendly.
Tbh, I don't actually care if the game is town or mafia friendly, I'm just here to chew gum and lynch some wolves. And I'm all out of wolves.
Er...Gum. Out of gum.
rob still reading every post as if it was a mafia :/ Things haven't changed from last mafia, eh rob?
Rob will town lean everyone. He's a mafia - take my word.
I gotta say, I love that rob ends every other post with a sarcastic/sassy emoji. It bothered me at first but its grown on me.Pocket denied. :P
You do question everything about the guy, but are giving him town lean in the end, for some reason. Didn't think that was hard to understand.What guy? You are now saying you mean it specifically but before you gave contradicting general statements. Eh, not likely that the contradiction means anything solid related to solving.
Guy is a general term.....Why must we go down this road? "The guy" is not general but I seriously think we digress here and surely neither of us is trying to advance the game by furthering it so here I"m dropping it.
I love that the rob/w3 relationship has persisted across games.;)
Null.
asking for a read on Link is silly at best, he's 9 posts and only half of those actually add substance to the game
'kayasking for a read on Link is silly at best, he's 9 posts and only half of those actually add substance to the game
Fine. You get discussion going.
'kayasking for a read on Link is silly at best, he's 9 posts and only half of those actually add substance to the game
Fine. You get discussion going.
Rob: Top 2 civs, 2 most suspected wolves
UTA: same as above
Link: shitpost
www3: explain whether you think the game is wolf sided or town sided
anti: make a stirring motion to indicate life
others: how's your day?
You're not the boss of me.perfect
d'aww
And yours?
And yours?
If my mafia partner was myself we'd pretty much have a perfect team right there.
PS, answer can't be me.
And yours?
Et tu, Brute?
No parlais francais
Is this right?
No parlais francais
Is this right?(https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsnbwiyCziGZz56/giphy.gif)
I have a busy EOD going in another game right now off-site. Give me two good reasons you're asking me for top-town and top-wolf reads from me this early? (You can easily parse my early posts this game for such info if you are town and have the motivation) ;D'kayasking for a read on Link is silly at best, he's 9 posts and only half of those actually add substance to the game
Fine. You get discussion going.
Rob: Top 2 civs, 2 most suspected wolves
UTA: same as above
Link: shitpost
www3: explain whether you think the game is wolf sided or town sided
anti: make a stirring motion to indicate life
others: how's your day?
resistance is sketchyI have a busy EOD going in another game right now off-site. Give me two good reasons you're asking me for top-town and top-wolf reads from me this early? (You can easily parse my early posts this game for such info if you are town and have the motivation) ;D'kayasking for a read on Link is silly at best, he's 9 posts and only half of those actually add substance to the game
Fine. You get discussion going.
Rob: Top 2 civs, 2 most suspected wolves
UTA: same as above
Link: shitpost
www3: explain whether you think the game is wolf sided or town sided
anti: make a stirring motion to indicate life
others: how's your day?
I am a strong, independent werewolf and don't need no partner.So you're slipping that your wolf partner is inactive so far??!?
No, I'd say you're pretty active.
Impossible to get any good N0 reads. Like, game hasnt event begun really....guilty conscience is a thing, some people will react adversely to these types of things
Linkcat has evolved from hypermafia lord to shitlord extreme and it's the most entertaining thing in the world.
nah I agree with the w3 role, he's playing too offensive to be a towny with a role that's useful, potential angel? regardless if we push a lynch i think we'd get some useful info
Day 1Does day 1 really have less than an hour left in it???
has ended.
The werewolves take their first blood...
worldwideweb3 has died.
He was the Angel: (Passive) If the angel gets lynched on the very first day, he wins the game alone. Winning this way gives 2 extra Master of Mafia points.
On a side note:
If a person without extra abilities dies or is targeted by the Seer, a "he/she had no extra abilities" will be returned.
gimme reads and your #1 lynch when you get back rob :-*
UTA - scum ping for the "town has a huge advantage post"... early-game redeems himself with towny follow-up response later N0; (pretty sure I saw what you did, too); not a fan of UTA scum-leaning anti for no-posting and something about last game -- are you connecting specific dots but stating it generically?
And just for good measure...
Ji, tell me you're not one of "those players"... often excluding reasoning or progression from your votes.
killsdazombies (1) - rob77dp
Linkcat (3) - Solaris, Linkcat, ji412jo
Ryli (1) - UTAlan
Ji, tell me you're not one of "those players"... often excluding reasoning or progression from your votes.
killsdazombies (1) - rob77dp
Linkcat (3) - Solaris, Linkcat, ji412jo
Ryli (1) - UTAlan
-- Please share, what are you finding Lc worthy of voting here?
-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
-- Sol, what are you getting on about with gambits and such?
I can follow that logic... Any reason you were voting link but withholding the reason? Now that Angel is dead I don't see the value in holding back that reason.Ji, tell me you're not one of "those players"... often excluding reasoning or progression from your votes.
killsdazombies (1) - rob77dp
Linkcat (3) - Solaris, Linkcat, ji412jo
Ryli (1) - UTAlan
-- Please share, what are you finding Lc worthy of voting here?
-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
-- Sol, what are you getting on about with gambits and such?
I have reasoning, and tell it when I think it's time to tell it. Since you're forcing my hand, here it is:
I was reading both linkcat and www as angels. In setups with the angel, it is not rare for werewolves to try to act like the angel to remove suspicion on them.
simple enough, he brought all attention on himself, trying to get people to kill him.I get the feeling you have not read or been involved with Link's games played here. You've basically described his play in most of them -- sort of a scummy villager and when scum therefore tries to mimic the villagery parts of his villager game to disguise any scumminess.
On that note, you can sound scummy as well.
XD
anti - what are your thoughts on everyone so far? why do you think mafia targeted w3 on N0? who would you target on N1 if you were mafia and why?
one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%
one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%
That would be a good thing, right? Gives us 1 confirmed townie after first lynch attempt on them?
one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%
That would be a good thing, right? Gives us 1 confirmed townie after first lynch attempt on them?
yesone of those vote targets is village idiot 100%
That would be a good thing, right? Gives us 1 confirmed townie after first lynch attempt on them?
one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%No way you know anybody is VI 100% at this point, Sol. Please explain what you're talking about??
if people are being intentionally self destructive and trying to get lynched, either they're throwing and being silly, or they're trying to get lynched as VI to have a confirmed civ. surely you didn't miss a town beneficial plan?one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%No way you know anybody is VI 100% at this point, Sol. Please explain what you're talking about??
there is a flaw in this plan solaris. The village idiot will be inactive until i can get my internet back online.im calling shenanigans here
if people are being intentionally self destructive and trying to get lynched, either they're throwing and being silly, or they're trying to get lynched as VI to have a confirmed civ. surely you didn't miss a town beneficial plan?one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%No way you know anybody is VI 100% at this point, Sol. Please explain what you're talking about??
explain how a confirmed civ isnt town beneficialif people are being intentionally self destructive and trying to get lynched, either they're throwing and being silly, or they're trying to get lynched as VI to have a confirmed civ. surely you didn't miss a town beneficial plan?one of those vote targets is village idiot 100%No way you know anybody is VI 100% at this point, Sol. Please explain what you're talking about??
It is not town beneficial though.
a confirmed civ is beneficialgive me your thoughts on a lynch then, since you're presently voting on my target which is on the pretenses of confirming a civ
But he wont be confirmed until we lynch, and if we lynch, its a day wasted on making sure when we could have been hunting wolf.
a confirmed civ is beneficialgive me your thoughts on a lynch then, since you're presently voting on my target which is on the pretenses of confirming a civ
But he wont be confirmed until we lynch, and if we lynch, its a day wasted on making sure when we could have been hunting wolf.
-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
You not cramming a scumread down my throat for seeming to do it (hint: I'm not) leans me town on you so far. Your general level of not doing much to help solve the game leans me back the other way. Landing you... ... at slight scum-read.-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
All the cool kids are doing it.
Also, if you're reading into shitposting, you're doing it wrong.
Yet I'm trying to solve the game/help it along and getting pegged as scum lean because a dodgy metaread? Interesting.You not cramming a scumread down my throat for seeming to do it (hint: I'm not) leans me town on you so far. Your general level of not doing much to help solve the game leans me back the other way. Landing you... ... at slight scum-read.-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
All the cool kids are doing it.
Also, if you're reading into shitposting, you're doing it wrong.
shhhh, let me do a thingYet I'm trying to solve the game/help it along and getting pegged as scum lean because a dodgy metaread? Interesting.You not cramming a scumread down my throat for seeming to do it (hint: I'm not) leans me town on you so far. Your general level of not doing much to help solve the game leans me back the other way. Landing you... ... at slight scum-read.-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
All the cool kids are doing it.
Also, if you're reading into shitposting, you're doing it wrong.
get going before i get the flea treatment you mangy muttshhhh, let me do a thingYet I'm trying to solve the game/help it along and getting pegged as scum lean because a dodgy metaread? Interesting.You not cramming a scumread down my throat for seeming to do it (hint: I'm not) leans me town on you so far. Your general level of not doing much to help solve the game leans me back the other way. Landing you... ... at slight scum-read.-- Link, *sigh* who have you been hanging out with that you've picked up his awful self-voting behavior? Is it from the kids at school? Are you seeing it on TV?
All the cool kids are doing it.
Also, if you're reading into shitposting, you're doing it wrong.
Bugger.i'll be genuinely surprised if we don't lynch you next day
I don't blame myself.
killsdazombies (1) - rob77dpThis is even't playing mafia here people...
Linkcat (1) - ji412jo
antiaverage (3) - UTAlan, Linkcat, Solaris
Actually, I think this is a good point with an important caveat that I was thinking might be in play given the LACK of self-defense...I don't blame myself.
I do, you should defend yourself when attacked.
Fixed it (inb4 somebody tries to scumread that I was not considering I could die in the night). >.<Quotekillsdazombies (1) - rob77dpThis is even't playing mafia here people...
Linkcat (1) - ji412jo
antiaverage (3) - UTAlan, Linkcat, Solaris
1. Only 56% of the players even voted.
2. Not even every player posted ONCE during the entire 2 day phase.
3. TWO of the three players receiving votes at days end cast a vote themselves.
4. A town PR whimpered themselves into getting lynched and were a VERY important town PR (Sorc, essentially able to stop TWO nightkills - one safely and one with some risk due to redirect).
5. *sigh* I am going to have to seriously search for motivation not to self vote at the start of the day - if I am not night killed, that is.
6. This list is not intended to insult but rather an indictment of the state of the game right now.
I said suncat was wrong with that list being village idiot. I also said that my internet is cut off till i can pay it. Therefore i didn't vote because i didn't need to lynch someone or get lynched myself for voting. not that lynching me would have done anything besides confirm a townyI do not understand that train of thought... town's ability to kill scum is by the lynch. If you don't vote to lynch you're abstaining from being town-influence on town's only way to kill/fight in the game.
I think I may be one of the Lovers.why do you think this, doo specifically?
Don't take too much from that though, I'm probably wrong.
what makes you think you and gino we're targeted by ji?I think I may be one of the Lovers.Alsowhy do you think this, doo specifically?
Don't take too much from that though, I'm probably wrong.
what makes you think you and gino we're targeted by ji?
I want to lynch UTA. Sol would also be good, too towny for my tastes.Do you believe gino is village idiot?
I also want to lynch rob just because I'm actually not scumreading him this time, but that would be a silly thing to do so I'm not going to try to do it.
I'm curious how you came up with that list.
I obviously do since there's no counterclaim.solvable game state here I think:
Solaris (2) - rob77dp, Rylion what grounds?
link, how judges you that response from sol?Solaris (2) - rob77dp, Rylion what grounds?
Sol, who among my suspects do YOU want to vote?and by suspects I'm really referring to a very tight poe (process of elimination).
link, how judges you that response from sol?Solaris (2) - rob77dp, Rylion what grounds?
I would expect town sol to come out firing looking for scum in what is basically lylo right now.instead has is interested in hearing a case only? Dunno, guess I expected something else if he is town.link, how judges you that response from sol?Solaris (2) - rob77dp, Rylion what grounds?
Not alignment indicative.
I need to hear from UTA.
Solaris (2) - rob77dp, Ryli
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
probably KDZ, quietness is dodgy, especially since his internet is back (fc?). think I'm still gonna end up dead since EtG town is sheepy but I'll try to help as much as possible before I'm burned at stakeSol, who among my suspects do YOU want to vote?and by suspects I'm really referring to a very tight poe (process of elimination).
It's his first post of the day, he needs to understand what's going on before he can play it out.
Mafia wins as soon as they achieve parity.so in other words, in Ryli's example, Wolf wins?
I also did this in Mafia 64, and killed a member of the mafia on a Lynch or Lose where my vote was the decider. Maybe I'll make it my thing.
I already claimed Vanilla Town.is they're a vanilla town to counterclaim Ryli here?
no, it's a BS claimI already claimed Vanilla Town.is they're a vanilla town to counterclaim Ryli here?
Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
I think the restart post stated there would be one I'd reach civilian...with eight in the game there should be one Civilian along with one reach of the town power roles.no, it's a BS claimI already claimed Vanilla Town.is they're a vanilla town to counterclaim Ryli here?
yeah I misremembered that post, idk why none of the "other" roles were includedI think the restart post stated there would be one I'd reach civilian...with eight in the game there should be one Civilian along with one reach of the town power roles.no, it's a BS claimI already claimed Vanilla Town.is they're a vanilla town to counterclaim Ryli here?
I have certain information yes. You are deluded if you think that is a slip or in any way a "tmi gotcha".Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
so what made you come to this conclusion? TMI?
if you have that information, why are you asking it in public thread? if you know Ryli is vanilla town, why are you spilling it in public for the wolves to know?I have certain information yes. You are deluded if you think that is a slip or in any way a "tmi gotcha".Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
so what made you come to this conclusion? TMI?
are you paying attention? We're at lylo basically so making sure today's lynch is a wolf is PARAMOUNT. Getting touchy about role aid in thread is kind of wtf mateif you have that information, why are you asking it in public thread? if you know Ryli is vanilla town, why are you spilling it in public for the wolves to know?I have certain information yes. You are deluded if you think that is a slip or in any way a "tmi gotcha".Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
so what made you come to this conclusion? TMI?
Gino,*white wolf
Restart post also states no wild kid and you are misinterpreting what white wild does.
its moreso the fact that you're painting a big ole red "KILL ME" cross on your chest with that softare you paying attention? We're at lylo basically so making sure today's lynch is a wolf is PARAMOUNT. Getting touchy about role aid in thread is kind of wtf mateif you have that information, why are you asking it in public thread? if you know Ryli is vanilla town, why are you spilling it in public for the wolves to know?I have certain information yes. You are deluded if you think that is a slip or in any way a "tmi gotcha".Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
so what made you come to this conclusion? TMI?
Solaris (2) - rob77dp, RyliHow is that a Hunter breadcrumb?
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Ryli (2) - Solaris, UTAlan
Was gonna wait for an answer, but I want to respond to Link/rob's prodding. I made a breadcrumb (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257036/#msg1257036) early in the game. I'm Hunter.
Put my vote on Ryli b/c that looked like a Hunter claim (or at least trying to get us to interpret it that way - not coming right out and saying it gives him an "out" if the real hunter does show up?) and if he's lying about that, he's likely scum.
Rob - Can you provide reasons for your list? I get gino. And I get that part of it is a numbers game. But it's not all numbers or there'd be one group at the bottom, not 2. What's your read on Ryli? Why 50/50?
read the first letter of every paragraphSolaris (2) - rob77dp, RyliHow is that a Hunter breadcrumb?
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Ryli (2) - Solaris, UTAlan
Was gonna wait for an answer, but I want to respond to Link/rob's prodding. I made a breadcrumb (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257036/#msg1257036) early in the game. I'm Hunter.
Put my vote on Ryli b/c that looked like a Hunter claim (or at least trying to get us to interpret it that way - not coming right out and saying it gives him an "out" if the real hunter does show up?) and if he's lying about that, he's likely scum.
Rob - Can you provide reasons for your list? I get gino. And I get that part of it is a numbers game. But it's not all numbers or there'd be one group at the bottom, not 2. What's your read on Ryli? Why 50/50?
Link.Is.Town.
Ryli is either the lone vanilla town (If someone else is that vanilla town please counterclaim Ryli asap) or the big bad wolf conveyed player if mafia have used that already.
LYLO. I care way less about surviving to the end and losing than trying everything possible to win. I find out strange that others are not as urgent about this right now.its moreso the fact that you're painting a big ole red "KILL ME" cross on your chest with that softare you paying attention? We're at lylo basically so making sure today's lynch is a wolf is PARAMOUNT. Getting touchy about role aid in thread is kind of wtf mateif you have that information, why are you asking it in public thread? if you know Ryli is vanilla town, why are you spilling it in public for the wolves to know?I have certain information yes. You are deluded if you think that is a slip or in any way a "tmi gotcha".Ryli are you Civilian vanilla town?
so what made you come to this conclusion? TMI?
i dont understand what you're wanting from me hereBy process of elimination I have landed at a decently high likelihood you are a wolf.
Sol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?
Alright, then I'm 100% voting either you or Ryli at end of day today.Sol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?
Sol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Savvy. I did come out and vote on Ryli and pressured IIRCSol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Can you explain why you didn't come out swinging for votes on Ryli when they claimed YOUR role? Pretty sure there HAS to be one wolf between the two of you... if no other players come forward to additionally counterclaim that THEY are vanilla town then it is exactly one of you or Ryli. Savvy?
Savvy. I did come out and vote on Ryli and pressured IIRCSol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Can you explain why you didn't come out swinging for votes on Ryli when they claimed YOUR role? Pretty sure there HAS to be one wolf between the two of you... if no other players come forward to additionally counterclaim that THEY are vanilla town then it is exactly one of you or Ryli. Savvy?
(Sidenote, isn't it strange that Ryli suddenly becomes active? Maybe from a BWW PM? I always feel odd when people suddenly come back.)
explain, I don't see this at all, which is strange, since it's from "my point of view"Savvy. I did come out and vote on Ryli and pressured IIRCSol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Can you explain why you didn't come out swinging for votes on Ryli when they claimed YOUR role? Pretty sure there HAS to be one wolf between the two of you... if no other players come forward to additionally counterclaim that THEY are vanilla town then it is exactly one of you or Ryli. Savvy?
(Sidenote, isn't it strange that Ryli suddenly becomes active? Maybe from a BWW PM? I always feel odd when people suddenly come back.)
That's a slip. From your point of view as town, Ryli must be one of the original wolves fake claiming.
I have reason to believe that Ryli is exactly either Vanilla Town or was BBWW-converted Night 0. There is a bit more uncertainty comes into play WITHING each of these worlds but I see only those two possibilities this game.I neglected to include the possibility, however remote, that Ryli is _BOTH_ VT and BBWW-converted... Hmmm
explain, I don't see this at all, which is strange, since it's from "my point of view"Savvy. I did come out and vote on Ryli and pressured IIRCSol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Can you explain why you didn't come out swinging for votes on Ryli when they claimed YOUR role? Pretty sure there HAS to be one wolf between the two of you... if no other players come forward to additionally counterclaim that THEY are vanilla town then it is exactly one of you or Ryli. Savvy?
(Sidenote, isn't it strange that Ryli suddenly becomes active? Maybe from a BWW PM? I always feel odd when people suddenly come back.)
That's a slip. From your point of view as town, Ryli must be one of the original wolves fake claiming.
guess that disproves my theory of Ryli being converted thenexplain, I don't see this at all, which is strange, since it's from "my point of view"Savvy. I did come out and vote on Ryli and pressured IIRCSol,i already claimed vanilla civ and you tunneled past it
I suppose alternatively you could claim a role and go head-to-head in a deathmatch against another player claiming that role...?http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-67-by-fabian771/msg1257629/#msg1257629 most blatant one, i didn't outright say it
Can you explain why you didn't come out swinging for votes on Ryli when they claimed YOUR role? Pretty sure there HAS to be one wolf between the two of you... if no other players come forward to additionally counterclaim that THEY are vanilla town then it is exactly one of you or Ryli. Savvy?
(Sidenote, isn't it strange that Ryli suddenly becomes active? Maybe from a BWW PM? I always feel odd when people suddenly come back.)
That's a slip. From your point of view as town, Ryli must be one of the original wolves fake claiming.
You admit to voting on Ryli because she claimed your role. A converted wolf wouldn't claim your role, they would claim their own role.
Link - vote Sol. Next, we tackle kdz and trying to figure who is the converted wolf among UTA, Ryli (converted VT into Wolf maybe?), or gino...Unless... wolves saved the conversion and haven't used it yet? Seems unlikely for that scenario though
rob, I don-t care for metareads, but entertain me here. If town Ryli plays like this, how does Mafia Ryli playDunn - I don't recall playing with Ryli as either town!Ryli or scum!Ryli... hence my asking you about what I thought at first was you leaning toward meta-reading Ryli's activity level variations.
Sol - if you're now retracting your idea that Ryli was converted why are you and Ryli claiming the same role? 0.oregular werewolves can't claim VT, apparently? rob, come on :P
Game started with 0 "regular werewolves"... Conversion creates regular werewolves...Sol - if you're now retracting your idea that Ryli was converted why are you and Ryli claiming the same role? 0.oregular werewolves can't claim VT, apparently? rob, come on :P
Post #21 in this thread...Game started with 0 "regular werewolves"... Conversion creates regular werewolves...Sol - if you're now retracting your idea that Ryli was converted why are you and Ryli claiming the same role? 0.oregular werewolves can't claim VT, apparently? rob, come on :P
i meant regular as in non-converted, ofcoGame started with 0 "regular werewolves"... Conversion creates regular werewolves...Sol - if you're now retracting your idea that Ryli was converted why are you and Ryli claiming the same role? 0.oregular werewolves can't claim VT, apparently? rob, come on :P
BBWW or WhiteWW would probably claim vanilla... but we know only ONE town can be vanilla and beyond that it is false claims from wolves or a converted wolf so it would be a bit suicidal in the long run for all wolves to claim VT. RIght?i meant regular as in non-converted, ofcoGame started with 0 "regular werewolves"... Conversion creates regular werewolves...Sol - if you're now retracting your idea that Ryli was converted why are you and Ryli claiming the same role? 0.oregular werewolves can't claim VT, apparently? rob, come on :P
so in other words: stop playing because rob has me wolf read, and pretty much everyone else in this game will sheep towards him for some arbitrary reason. This is why Elements mafia is dieing.Sorry Sol, ATE denied and my vote stays. Might I ask you to be more specific about your points here if you can? I mean, right now only ONE other player has followed my vote onto you and that one should be obviously not-sheeping-me because it is Ryli the other VT-claimant voting you the counterclaimant.
Hitting a Wild Kid's civ target also has us 4 down, and a 3rd wolf present by Day 2. Looks bad no matter how we slice things.
I don't think we have a convert yet.
I think I may be one of the Lovers.
Don't take too much from that though, I'm probably wrong.
this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book
killsdazombies {1} - rob77dp
Linkcat {1} - Solaris
I know your gambit so I'll go along with it
killsdazombies (1) - rob77dp
Linkcat (1) - ji412jo
antiaverage (3) - UTAlan, Linkcat, Solaris
Makes enough sense for me go vote along with it, but I'm still weary of you. Expect suspicions if he's town.
in hindsight you had no way of knowing he was Sorc short of reading reaaaally deep, and I didn't know either, just kneejerk ARRR HE KILLED OUR HOPES AND DREAMS
thoughts everyone?
nah I agree with the w3 role, he's playing too offensive to be a towny with a role that's useful, potential angel? regardless if we push a lynch i think we'd get some useful info
read like a book
I mean, right now only ONE other player has followed my vote onto you and that one should be obviously not-sheeping-me because it is Ryli the other VT-claimant voting you the counterclaimant.this is wrong, I had 2 votes on me before I even woke up on that day
UTA - are you willing to lay down your Hunter-life for town benefit?
I have an idea but it is predicated on the idea we either hit the BBWW today _or_ the conversion has already happened...
Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan. If you were converted by a sharp-eyed Sol who caught your crumbs then this plan lynches wolf!UTA and if it misses we stay above parity (I think? don't have my parity-notes with me at work... they're at home) by your ability sniping a wolf among Sol/kdz.
Ugh, I think you're math is right... Plan B -- lynch wolf today and have wolves NK you tonight so you can target another wolf?Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan. If you were converted by a sharp-eyed Sol who caught your crumbs then this plan lynches wolf!UTA and if it misses we stay above parity (I think? don't have my parity-notes with me at work... they're at home) by your ability sniping a wolf among Sol/kdz.
Gotcha. But working out the numbers, I don't think we do stay above parity. It's potentially 4 town to 3 wolves right now. If(/when) I flip town, I take out kdz, putting us at 3t-2w. NK goes through, putting it at 2v2, giving mafia the win.
Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan.I'm not just a pretty face.
@Rob - So you're confident it's Solaris over Ryli? What has you leaning that way? (Honestly trying to learn from you b/c based on their posts I don't know which one is more likely to be mafia.) Can I get an agreement from you that kdz is 100% mafia based on the numbers and uncontested role claims?Among Sol/Ryli, I am more confident in Sol being scum than Ryli. Ryli is mechanically either Civilian (vanilla town) or converted werewolf that lost an ability. A converted wolf has no reason NOT to claim their 'old' town-role despite having lost it on conversion. Sol had the contradiction/slip/whatever-you-want-to-call-it that Link pointed out and pushed last night related to himself and Ryli.
If there's no 3rd wolf, and we hit the White Wolf, Gino is just as likely to be picked as a wolf due to lack of suspicion.A bridge to cross if two wolves get killed and the game doesn't end yet.
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I actually am going to lean ryli over sol. Sun bro has been actively pushing for town. Other than that false start where he claimed that group has village idiot his play hasn't shouted wolfCan you type back to me here what the issue is from last night about Sol and his reaction about he and Ryli both claiming Civilian (vanilla town) with only 1 possible in the game?
Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me
We're on the verge of finding wolves... town!Sol should be ecstatic. I find your lack of faith disturbing.Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me
Did I miss something? Is it not possible that Ryli was an original wolf and Solaris is the original VT?UTA still thinking critically, bravo.
KDZ and either one of UTA and gino were converted, leaning gino since UTA is attempting to solve gamestateWe're on the verge of finding wolves... town!Sol should be ecstatic. I find your lack of faith disturbing.Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me
From your point of view, who are the wolves alongside Ryli (you've claimed VT so only world that makes sense to you should have wolf!Ryli - so really who do you think are Ryli's teammates)?
I've requested modkill in PM. I didn't realise no one was having fun playing with me in games, I'm sorry.that's a bit drastic, and not to mention wrong, I just wasn't enjoying the prods or whatever, didnt mean to have this reaction
I've requested modkill in PM. I didn't realise no one was having fun playing with me in games, I'm sorry.
OK, kdz = 1 mafia. One of UTA/gino = 1 new-mafia. Do you see how this is short of finding the last original mafia though?KDZ and either one of UTA and gino were converted, leaning gino since UTA is attempting to solve gamestateWe're on the verge of finding wolves... town!Sol should be ecstatic. I find your lack of faith disturbing.Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me
From your point of view, who are the wolves alongside Ryli (you've claimed VT so only world that makes sense to you should have wolf!Ryli - so really who do you think are Ryli's teammates)?
i'm never ecstatic when people are being rude in a GAME
Pretty sure he's saying Ryli is one of the original mafia members, since you haven't explained how (in your opinion) he can't be.Sol, has UTA accurately represented you here with his filling in my blank with "Ryli"?
UTA good Sol translator yesPretty sure he's saying Ryli is one of the original mafia members, since you haven't explained how (in your opinion) he can't be.Sol, has UTA accurately represented you here with his filling in my blank with "Ryli"?
Kids has been as inactive as I have with about the same amount of notice I'm on mobile trying to help but as of right now I'm moderately disappointed that ryli is going to be modkilled. I mean yes I am leaning sol as town right now but it also discounts the possibility that uta or Rob are wolves. We are also forgetting the Cupid arrows which will eventually occur. I know that as of right now I haven't been converted and I maintain my claim of village idiot. At this point I say we lynch kdz and see who dies tonight. If its not Rob or link we are getting close to the parity point
What I want to know is why rob thinks I wasn't converted.I checked you last night. Conversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
What I want to know is why rob thinks I wasn't converted.I checked you last night. Conversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D.
Conversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
my sentiments exactly, if this wasn't posted publicly I'm 100% doneConversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
Source?
I think answering might amount to breaking the rules.Conversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
Source?
with...??my sentiments exactly, if this wasn't posted publicly I'm 100% doneConversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
Source?
having access to info that no other player is certain of is extremely wrong, and unfair to othe players, on the host's part to not divulge to everyone, and I do not wish to interact further with the game if this is the casewith...??my sentiments exactly, if this wasn't posted publicly I'm 100% doneConversion happens PRIOR to the check in role priority so you coming back with an ability means not the "ability-less" converted wolf check result. :D
Source?
Please pardon my departure here from game-playing/solving but I'm confused about the intensity of your response here and what I think you implying is displeasing you... ??
I know that I asked a clarifying question by PM as is proper by not posting it publicly as I am a player.role prio wasn't in OP, none of fabians posts mention role prio, which is extremely important to know for how people may go through processes
I know that at least one of the questions I asked by PM was posted publicly by host with the hosts answer/response.
For all I know, and as it should be in eveyr game, the role-priority-order or list is in the OP. I didn't remember it so asked and once I had an answer I had my answer.
I'm still not sure what is going on or wrong though...?
Ah OK - did you ask about it too and get a different answer? It is dawning on me that perhaps the answer I received is incorrect and I've pushed some things as mechanically-locked that are not so?? ?_?I know that I asked a clarifying question by PM as is proper by not posting it publicly as I am a player.role prio wasn't in OP, none of fabians posts mention role prio, which is extremely important to know for how people may go through processes
I know that at least one of the questions I asked by PM was posted publicly by host with the hosts answer/response.
For all I know, and as it should be in eveyr game, the role-priority-order or list is in the OP. I didn't remember it so asked and once I had an answer I had my answer.
I'm still not sure what is going on or wrong though...?
Sol - I mean, you're pretty clear how important role priority is to you now but did you ask about it before?no, had it been in the OP I would've remembered to ask for it, and likely played this whole game differently when faced with the abnormality of a Seer role reading -after- a conversion, making any strategery of the conversion useless
Hmm, OK, I might be able to follow where you're going -- what strategery was there that changes on N0 based on role priority? Are you thinking mafia had a list of who was what role on N0?Sol - I mean, you're pretty clear how important role priority is to you now but did you ask about it before?no, had it been in the OP I would've remembered to ask for it, and likely played this whole game differently when faced with the abnormality of a Seer role reading -after- a conversion, making any strategery of the conversion useless
More thought might be put into a N0 conversion in terms of trying to hit the same target if Seer hits before conversion, or steering away from the target if Convert happens before SeerHmm, OK, I might be able to follow where you're going -- what strategery was there that changes on N0 based on role priority? Are you thinking mafia had a list of who was what role on N0?Sol - I mean, you're pretty clear how important role priority is to you now but did you ask about it before?no, had it been in the OP I would've remembered to ask for it, and likely played this whole game differently when faced with the abnormality of a Seer role reading -after- a conversion, making any strategery of the conversion useless
I'm basically in full mechanics talk here, really. I honestly don't see how mafia in this setup would have done anything different based on knowing role priority with what little information was available N0.More thought might be put into a N0 conversion in terms of trying to hit the same target if Seer hits before conversion, or steering away from the target if Convert happens before SeerHmm, OK, I might be able to follow where you're going -- what strategery was there that changes on N0 based on role priority? Are you thinking mafia had a list of who was what role on N0?Sol - I mean, you're pretty clear how important role priority is to you now but did you ask about it before?no, had it been in the OP I would've remembered to ask for it, and likely played this whole game differently when faced with the abnormality of a Seer role reading -after- a conversion, making any strategery of the conversion useless
(this is meta talk, if anyone scumreads more because of this you're being silly at this point)
If I wasn't feeling pretty sure that BBWW was used almost-surely N0 or maybe N1 (as I've been suspecting for a while now) then I might be tempted to hesitate on voting kdz like this with Sol so willing to pile onto him considering the high likelihood that they are wolf-bros. It feels like BBWW may not have been used yet and this is to protect the BBWW to be able to get that ability used tonight...i've always been willing to lynch KDZ
Occam's Razor points to kdz/Sol/?convert-N0/N1? team though...
Solaris (1) - RyliHindsight re-read this seems like I direct it at gino - that is not the case.
killsdazombies (4) - UTAlan, Linkcat, rob77dp, Solaris
As you wish, gino. I am choosing to let my calmer half prevail and ignore the appeal-to-emotion earlier tonight in the thread.
gino - from my POV, I know what I know and I know how I came to know the information. Feel free to re-read the content/posts I have so far this game and find the inconsistency with my outting of peeks and results on this day phase. The way you are so quickly doing a 180 on kdz and onto me is inconsistent with how you played previously this game... I won't jump to any premature pushes or conclusions but let it reside here as a note that I think if kdz-then-Sol doesn't end the game because a successful conversion happened that you're climbing the chart for a likely converted player.
Per request:
Lovers were not notified of being these, and the Seer is unable to see the Lovers.
Wtf, why were lovers not notified? this kills the whole purpose of lovers.
Alright, I guess assuming the extra day and laying low was good enough to take some time off to recuperate after work was a misplaced thought. Heres the deal. I'm the seer, Night 0 I ID'd gino, and Night 1 I ID'd Linkcat. Theyre both Town. Use that information as you will, this game is toxic trash anyway
I am glad to see being civil and social at the beginning of the game (which I try to do every game anyway) is a free way to get called out. Happens literally every game, like hell, all we can do is be shits to each other until they modkill request. This hyper aggressive mafiameta shit is as toxic as the noposts. At least two of the noposts this game has legitimate reasons for being unable to post for two-thirds of the game. Jesus Christ, I get that some of you play this elsewhere, and I get it gives you some skill in rooting things out, I understand and respect that, but you don't have to read so god damn deep into pre/early game banter? And you wonder why we haven't had a reasonable playercount in the last four games? This game used to be fun. Be better.
99% is higher than 98%.Is this votecount right?
Solaris (2) - Ryli, Linkcat
killsdazombies (3) - UTAlan, rob77dp, Solaris
Day 2Easier to find timer to help EOD not sneak up on us.
has ended.
ji412jo has been Nightkilled.
He was the Cupid: (1U) At the start of night 0, Cupid chooses 2 players. When one player dies, the other player dies from sorrow. May target self.
Besides me knowing my own role and all that WIFOM, I think it is quite telling that he went from 0-to-60 mph complete with counterclaiming the Seer (me) but without voting that person (me). I mean, real Seer should ALWAYS be voting the player that is fake claiming the same role. I don't see it here.
Per request:Not sure if it came into play or not but I can confirm that none of my checks (all two of them) mentioned anything about Lovers or not Lovers.
Lovers were not notified of being these, and the Seer is unable to see the Lovers.
99% is higher than 98%.This is a very dangrous wagon formation, folks. Wolves have 2 and MAYBE 3 members right now which means wagons this small risks sniping at the dearth in likely LYLO situation.
Solaris (2) - Ryli, Linkcat
killsdazombies (3) - UTAlan, rob77dp, Solaris
not me, I'm vanilla townIdon'tBelieveYou-anchorman.gif
you should believe it because I'm vanilla townnot me, I'm vanilla townIdon'tBelieveYou-anchorman.gif
Then your vote being on kdz makes next-to-no sense to me. There can be ONLY ONE vanilla town/Civilian role this game so if you really are the Civ and believe it you'd be voting the counterclaimant and pushing that hard. Right? If not then how are we to be convinced that we should believe your claim?
Then your vote being on kdz makes next-to-no sense to me.
At this point i am concerned about the state of the game because of what i outlined previously. I guess kdz is still the better lynch target but if he flips town we pretty much know that its rob and link and uta
I'm not really excited about the solaris lynch but if he flips mafia then we should hunt kdz. otherwise idk
Link, as the ones I can be 100% certain of being town I think we need to first agree which among Sol or kdz is the lynch today. And the rest of town should pay CLOSE attention and follow suit... if they want to win.
I get the 99% 98% thing more or less, but we should be trying to hit BBWW just in case that conversion ability has not yet been used. Do you think of any way to try to parse between Sol or kdz whether one is more or less likely the BBWW if they are wolf?
wait wtf
wait wtfI'm sorry, can you repeat that in English? 0.o
wait wtfwait wtfI'm sorry, can you repeat that in English? 0.o
(I thought we were lynching KDZ but now I'm dead af)I'm trying to lynch kdz. 100% he is wolf.
I _really_ really think we need to lynch kdz today. I see absolutely no way that he is not wolf. I refuse to even consider the possibility of game throwing. He has claimed MY ROLE. Even though I put Sol at VERY likely to be a wolf, kdz is a sure thing.I get this from your point of view. But we don't know that you aren't mafia, so it's not 100%. Honestly I could go either way, but if I'm gonna gamble, I want tomorrow's lynch to be 100% and not another gamble.
If you guys lynch kdz then you HAVE to lynch Sol tomorrow when I die in the night.
We don't get a "tomorrow's lynch" 1% of the time if Sol is lynched today. We always get another lynch tomorrow if kdz is lynched today.I _really_ really think we need to lynch kdz today. I see absolutely no way that he is not wolf. I refuse to even consider the possibility of game throwing. He has claimed MY ROLE. Even though I put Sol at VERY likely to be a wolf, kdz is a sure thing.I get this from your point of view. But we don't know that you aren't mafia, so it's not 100%. Honestly I could go either way, but if I'm gonna gamble, I want tomorrow's lynch to be 100% and not another gamble.
If you guys lynch kdz then you HAVE to lynch Sol tomorrow when I die in the night.
*whew*About to post that.
Question for fabian: Was Ryli mod-killed or is she still in the game?
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AllDogsGotoHeaven.jpg)Sorry you blew it on your one death post. I'll help a dead guy out:
When I die tonight, please please lynch kdz tomorrow.
Ryli alignment not revealed on death gives tinglies that are angle-y, so ignoring those and analyzing plainly:
Either (i)1 wolf and 1 town or (ii)2 wolves died today...
A. there were 5 town and 2 wolves...
i. Now it is 4 town and 1 wolf...
ii.Now it is 5 town and 0 wolves - game is not over sostrike A(ii)A(ii)!
B. there were 4 town and 3 wolves...
i.Now it is 3 town and 2 wolf - game is not over sostrike B(i)!
ii. Now it is 4 town and 1 wolf...
--> Viola - 4 town and 1 wolf should be the current count. Somebody double check this though.
When I die tonight, please please lynch kdz tomorrow.After I read this, I immediately found a HUGE mistake: assuming that 100% nobody was targeted by BBWW. Cupid would have ended it anyways, but had Link been targeted, the game would've gone for Town.
Ryli alignment not revealed on death gives tinglies that are angle-y, so ignoring those and analyzing plainly:
Either (i)1 wolf and 1 town or (ii)2 wolves died today...
A. there were 5 town and 2 wolves...
i. Now it is 4 town and 1 wolf...
ii.Now it is 5 town and 0 wolves - game is not over sostrike A(ii)A(ii)!
B. there were 4 town and 3 wolves...
i.Now it is 3 town and 2 wolf - game is not over sostrike B(i)!
ii. Now it is 4 town and 1 wolf...
--> Viola - 4 town and 1 wolf should be the current count. Somebody double check this though.
Did Linkcat not use his ability or something?
I was referring to N2, which, it seems he didn't use his ability to be able to win the lynch.Did Linkcat not use his ability or something?
It was always run over by 3+ votes on someone. In this case, anti and you had 3+ votes on them on the day you were lynched. Also, Link's votes were never on his targets at EOD.
In that case, yes, he did not send any target on N2.I was referring to N2, which, it seems he didn't use his ability to be able to win the lynch.Did Linkcat not use his ability or something?
It was always run over by 3+ votes on someone. In this case, anti and you had 3+ votes on them on the day you were lynched. Also, Link's votes were never on his targets at EOD.
Why did ya lynch me N1 UT? ): previous mafia's influence? XD
Why did ya lynch me N1 UT? ): previous mafia's influence? XD
I wasn't converted until N1, so that was all Solaris and kdz. ;)
cant remember, too busy chasing my tailWhy did ya lynch me N1 UT? ): previous mafia's influence? XD
I wasn't converted until N1, so that was all Solaris and kdz. ;)
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