Elements Mafia 67 - by fabian771

[Solaris]

Lynching is our one way of confirming a player as Werewolf aside from seer roles. If our one tool isnt being used, what's the point?

[UTAlan]

Lynching is our one way of confirming a player as Werewolf aside from seer roles. If our one tool isnt being used, what's the point?

Paraphrase: Lynching is the only way to confirm except for the other way. We need to do it because it's the only tool (...except for the other tool). 

For real, though, I don't disagree. I'm leaning toward lynching on D1 being a good thing despite the risk. But I'd like to hear more on why it's worth the risk, not just that we should do it. All of the arguments so far make sense in a normal game, but they don't take the Angel role into account. We can decide it's worth the risk, but we shouldn't just ignore it and plow ahead as though that role doesn't exist.

[MyNameIsJoey]

Lynching is our one way of confirming a player as Werewolf aside from seer roles. If our one tool isnt being used, what's the point?

Paraphrase: Lynching is the only way to confirm except for the other way. We need to do it because it's the only tool (...except for the other tool). 

For real, though, I don't disagree. I'm leaning toward lynching on D1 being a good thing despite the risk. But I'd like to hear more on why it's worth the risk, not just that we should do it. All of the arguments so far make sense in a normal game, but they don't take the Angel role into account. We can decide it's worth the risk, but we shouldn't just ignore it and plow ahead as though that role doesn't exist.

Thing is, you want to lower your chances at winning the game in fear of lowering your chances at winning the game.

[UTAlan]

Thing is, you want to lower your chances at winning the game in fear of lowering your chances at winning the game.

Incorrect. The strategy of not lynching D1 to avoid hitting Angel would be lowering our chances at winning the game in fear of auto-losing the game.

[Linkcat]

There is no Wild Kid.

We will lynch Day 1.

Lynching the Angel Day 1 will not immediately end the game.

This game will be treated as having 3 werewolves for MoM scoring.

[Solaris]

this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book

[rob77dp]

We.Are.NOT.no lynching.

Lc - what is this about no wild kid? And 3 ww fire scoring but two stated by fabian771?

[UTAlan]

We.Are.NOT.no lynching.

I assumed as much. But atleast we had a little bit of early discussion.

[rob77dp]

this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book

Are you upset by randomizing as wolf again but in a setup adjusted to weaken the wolf advantage?

Also, I suggest that we discuss a plan for village idiot role to be ready to claim in the event that a town PR (basically all of town) that needs saving (such as Angel on NOT Day 1, or others any day...) claims when being top vote get-er late in a Day Phase. The plan would be the VI would then claim and give town a safe target to go onto that would not die but instead simply lose voting power. Of course, if there is a decent other scum suspect at the time no VI claim and instead of move off the claimed PR and onto the other scum suspect. I would be willing to discuss a plan that even then VI claims to avoid the situation of out-ing by forced-claim MULTIPLE PR's in the same day.

Thoughts / comments?

By the way, having night chat allowed is a big boost for town because we can solve, interact, and read each other basically 24/7 through-out the game that way.

[Solaris]

this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book

Are you upset by randomizing as wolf again but in a setup adjusted to weaken the wolf advantage?

Are you projecting your own thoughts onto me by me merely complaining about the balance of the game now that it's shifted completely 180, especially with night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48?

(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)

[rob77dp]

this games kinda dumb now tbh, all civ roles are guaranteed to be in, Angel is useless... why arent all these documented? too many things are off book

Are you upset by randomizing as wolf again but in a setup adjusted to weaken the wolf advantage?

Are you projecting your own thoughts onto me by me merely complaining about the balance of the game now that it's shifted completely 180, especially with night talking and nightkill having to be submitted in a 24h timeframe when nights are 48?

(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)

You could have said "no". What do you mean about the 24h nightkill but 48h nights - I don't see that anywhere?? Also, can you clarify what you're saying in your last parenthetical statement?

(No Lynch is not a good idea, still)

[UTAlan]

(In all seriousness, not seeing the scum in saying it's dumb that the game is still off balance even with a restart.)

I think the idea is that you're complaining that it's imbalanced in favor of town. Though this may actually be based on wanting to have more fun / keeping the integrity of the game intact, you gotta admit that at face value that looks a little scummy, eh?