Elements Mafia 67 - by fabian771

[Ryli]

Ryli has NAILED the crux of my plan.

I'm not just a pretty face.

[rob77dp]

@Rob - So you're confident it's Solaris over Ryli? What has you leaning that way? (Honestly trying to learn from you b/c based on their posts I don't know which one is more likely to be mafia.) Can I get an agreement from you that kdz is 100% mafia based on the numbers and uncontested role claims?

Among Sol/Ryli, I am more confident in Sol being scum than Ryli. Ryli is mechanically either Civilian (vanilla town) or converted werewolf that lost an ability. A converted wolf has no reason NOT to claim their 'old' town-role despite having lost it on conversion. Sol had the contradiction/slip/whatever-you-want-to-call-it that Link pointed out and pushed last night related to himself and Ryli.

Town: rob, Link

95% town: gino (unless you really think he is fancy-playing his Idiot claim... I don't think he is and I don't think he is a likely Conversion-target either)

Unsure: UTA

1-wolf here: Sol, Ryli (mathematically speaking, 50/50 one is a wolf... outside chance both are if Ryli is converted wolf)

Leaving one kdz to be considered. Game started with two wolves and MIGHT have three now. If two then much more likely that Sol/kdz is the team else if three then much more likely Sol/kdz + one-of-Ryli/UTA/gino (with 45/45/10 chances I estimate).

Simplified version:

Town: rob, link, gino

Unsure: UTA, Ryli

HIGHLY like wolf: kdz, Sol

[Ryli]

If there's no 3rd wolf, and we hit the White Wolf, Gino is just as likely to be picked as a wolf due to lack of suspicion.

[rob77dp]

If there's no 3rd wolf, and we hit the White Wolf, Gino is just as likely to be picked as a wolf due to lack of suspicion.

A bridge to cross if two wolves get killed and the game doesn't end yet.

[Espithel]

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[rob77dp]

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[godisnowonline]

I actually am going to lean ryli over sol. Sun bro has been actively pushing for town. Other than that false start where he claimed that group has village idiot his play hasn't shouted wolf

[rob77dp]

I actually am going to lean ryli over sol. Sun bro has been actively pushing for town. Other than that false start where he claimed that group has village idiot his play hasn't shouted wolf

Can you type back to me here what the issue is from last night about Sol and his reaction about he and Ryli both claiming Civilian (vanilla town) with only 1 possible in the game?

That is an important point for consideration in whether it is Sol or Ryli here.

[rob77dp]

gino,

You do you but also consider that your stance of Ryli lynch over Sol lynch means you also believe wolves used conversion on what was Civilian (Vanilla Town) Ryli on Night 0. The more I think about it the less the game state is even possible to have Ryli as the N0 conversion.

It would mean that the other in-thread claims are 100% real because if not the REAL town with that role should be screaming from rooftops that the other claimant is lying... leaving this:

***IF*** Ryli is wolf then:
- Ryli was converted N0
- rob, link, gino, and UTA are town
- Sol and kdz must be remaining original mafia members

I don't think this is plausible because it would mean that Sol-Ryli is wolf/wolf interaction here and no way wolves don't coordinate better to just have one player torpedo the other one to improve survival rate of the surviving wolf.

Basically, I cannot fathom a town Point Of View that would lynch Ryli instead of Sol. The real discussion is the order of killing kdz and Sol. They are almost mechanically locked to be the original/founding wolf members.

[Solaris]

Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.

i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me

[UTAlan]

Did I miss something? Is it not possible that Ryli was an original wolf and Solaris is the original VT?

[rob77dp]

Howl all you want, kdz isn't coming to save you. You're all lone wolves.

i genuinely hate when people are patronizing when they think they have someone cornered, grinds the piss out of my gears and kills any vibe i had for this mafia left in me

We're on the verge of finding wolves... town!Sol should be ecstatic. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

From your point of view, who are the wolves alongside Ryli (you've claimed VT so only world that makes sense to you should have wolf!Ryli - so really who do you think are Ryli's teammates)?