Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies

[rob77dp]

For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

Thanks, that's a big help

Anything specific you can share as to why you find it helpful enough to post about it now?

Also, to all: I would really like to see your current takes on the game state. That is, something like list of reads or thoughts so far on players/posts or what you're looking to learn by interacting here soon.

* rob77dp pleading with town to be active enough to make solving even remotely possible

[UTAlan]

rob has a heavy town lean.

I'd like to hear from Kuro since he never answered any of our questions about his post, though I have a guess about it (don't want to say until he answers so that I'm not feeding him an excuse).

Link is hard to read. Getting a scum vibe, but he did the same thing last game (didn't contribute much early except bread/troll posts, then came in mid-late game and did his thing).

w3 is neutral to me. His response to the pressure didn't provide much insight, imo.

anti hasn't posted anything of substance. Could be because he hasn't played in awhile, but my gut says it's b/c he's mafia and is trying to look active without putting himself at risk of being read.

dawn to dusk & godisnowonline are neutral, but the longer they go without being active the more suspicion will fall on them.

[rob77dp]

rob has a heavy town lean.

I'd like to hear from Kuro since he never answered any of our questions about his post, though I have a guess about it (don't want to say until he answers so that I'm not feeding him an excuse).

Link is hard to read. Getting a scum vibe, but he did the same thing last game (didn't contribute much early except bread/troll posts, then came in mid-late game and did his thing).

w3 is neutral to me. His response to the pressure didn't provide much insight, imo.

anti hasn't posted anything of substance. Could be because he hasn't played in awhile, but my gut says it's b/c he's mafia and is trying to look active without putting himself at risk of being read.

dawn to dusk & godisnowonline are neutral, but the longer they go without being active the more suspicion will fall on them.

Hmm, a lot of reliance on activity / post-count it feels like in your list here UTA. Also, do you have any reason to think aa / Link (your only scum-leans or vibes?) could be w/w or are not-w/w?

With the forum not having a "mention" feature and being unable to mention/discuss game OOT means if they don't know it started or simply don't care to be motivated we don't have a way to push them in here. :-@

[UTAlan]

Hmm, a lot of reliance on activity / post-count it feels like in your list here UTA.

I guess? I mean, with you and me being the only semi-active players, any list I make could be interpreted that way, no? And heavy town lean from you isn't based solely on activity, but on what you've said and how you've said it and a general gut feeling. (Ofc, I say nearly every game that I suck at scumreading, so take my list with a grain of salt.)

Also, do you have any reason to think aa / Link (your only scum-leans or vibes?) could be w/w or are not-w/w?

Not really? They haven't interacted with each other at all, which could be nothing or it could be w/w trying to separate themselves from each other. My scum-vibe from Link is based on what he's said compared to his behavior in previous games. For anti, it's based solely on a gut feeling since he hasn't posted much. Asking about # of mafia could be innocent or it could be mafia trying to look innocent. Though now that I think about it, doesn't seem smart of mafia to point out that town doesn't know how many mafia members there are, so maybe that leans him town just a tiny bit?


Also, @rob: Did I miss something, or did you leave Link out of your reads list?

[UTAlan]

With the forum not having a "mention" feature and being unable to mention/discuss game OOT means if they don't know it started or simply don't care to be motivated we don't have a way to push them in here. :-@

Sounds like you should create an Enhancement Request.

[rob77dp]

-snip-
Also, @rob: Did I miss something, or did you leave Link out of your reads list?

My town reads, which are admittedly weak leans for now given state of activity and content so far, include:

www3 (the way he self-pres voted struck me as not scum-motivated)
UTA (sheeped what he considered a player with vested interest trying to solve [me] and was able to quickly and adequately explain why he DIDN'T sheep further when I tested him)

That's it. The rest of you are null (aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now) or scummy.

zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none

what does sheeping mean?

To me, it is copying another player on their vote, read, or play in the game - i.e. to not fully think for oneself, like a sheep.

What the wha?!?? I did leave him out. I'll check my previous list too and rectify ASAP. Thanks for reading it. At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?

[rob77dp]

zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
Link (was missing in prev list... has not moved since I last did a list that DID Include him)
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none

[UTAlan]

At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?

The NK target could change things (for example, if I get killed ), but right now I'd like to put pressure on Link early on D2. If he's town, we need to push him into being active and helpful early on. If he's mafia, getting him to post a bit more will hopefully help us get a read on him.

[rob77dp]

At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?

The NK target could change things (for example, if I get killed ), but right now I'd like to put pressure on Link early on D2. If he's town, we need to push him into being active and helpful early on. If he's mafia, getting him to post a bit more will hopefully help us get a read on him.

Uh huh... *shrugging shoulders shaking head pointing at myself*

@Linkcat
C'mon -- engage us here. We want to see your "sick reads" and hero plays. Clear some town, name some scum, clear yourself, or show your fur.

[godisnowonline]

Well I'm not really sure what all I can do but for the moment the players who have my attention the most are Link and Kuro for the lack of responses to attempts to get their attention. Personally I'll probably put a vote on one of them tomorrow to try and apply pressure but at the end of the day if its tied theres no lynch right?

[Kuroaitou]

I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.

LIES.

I know it's nighttime, but here's the thing - Linkcat, you're FGO, and I thought you'd be -somewhat- more aware of what's going on in this mafia, given your superb ambitious techniques and strategies.

Rob, frankly, regardless of whether I die tonight or not, my vote on him was a little of column A, a little of column B:

A in this case represents minor pressure on a classic mafia vet who's always in it to win it (regardless of sides), and had you not posted or had Root participated, I would have probably done something similar to Root/another player.
B then represents how people react to my random toss-up vote, plus I can determine who might try to throw me under the bus when the truth is, with 2 apparent mafia members in a game of 8 players, it becomes a matter of time of who's scumhunting, whose diverting, and who is simply AFK.

If I die, pressure antiaverage immensely, in addition to Linkcat.

[rob77dp]

I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.

LIES.

I know it's nighttime, but here's the thing - Linkcat, you're FGO, and I thought you'd be -somewhat- more aware of what's going on in this mafia, given your superb ambitious techniques and strategies.

Rob, frankly, regardless of whether I die tonight or not, my vote on him was a little of column A, a little of column B:

A in this case represents minor pressure on a classic mafia vet who's always in it to win it (regardless of sides), and had you not posted or had Root participated, I would have probably done something similar to Root/another player.
B then represents how people react to my random toss-up vote, plus I can determine who might try to throw me under the bus when the truth is, with 2 apparent mafia members in a game of 8 players, it becomes a matter of time of who's scumhunting, whose diverting, and who is simply AFK.

If I die, pressure antiaverage immensely, in addition to Linkcat.

Explain how you have basically one post Day 1, park a vote on inactive Link, see a Zailor D1 lynched, and post this with it ending about pressuring aa too? Can you let us in on your thought as to why you brought aa in to it suddenly there?

Also, include discussion about aa/Link as not-w/w or w/w in your opinion.