Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies

[killsdazombies]

Yes, the only communication blocked is out of thread

[Naii_the_Baf]

So yeah, I tried. And buried myself alive.

Guess I should keep it shut next time; it seems I'm better off not trying to help early on.

At least I had a minor role, although I could've helped in certain occassions as a kind-of investigative role.

Me being the Maybe's Rival was also why I asked for some ideas as to how to use the role effectively.

Well, other Zailors(and Mutineers if the case is presented), I await for you in the Underwater Frigate. But don't drown before reaching it!

[Linkcat]

I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.

[rob77dp]

fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp

Scratch that last idea... I've noticed several times that www3 has had this page open today and has posted NOTHING. No more lurking Mr. Cannot Be Bothered To Actively Participate -- make some posts or something. It isn't like the game is moving at any speed measurable in posts/hour.

UTA - come onto www3 with me instead of zero-posting dawn who probably quite honestly has NO IDEA the game is even running right now...

hmm, interesting post this. With 14 minutes to go (giving me next to no time to acc reply, thank god i checked in at last minute) , you start on a new target, who you are well aware will be inactive for the first day phase (as i already mentioned in thread before).  Reasons for such a late push? And, UT, were your reasons same as rob, ie to get me to talk (even though i said i wont be here for first day), or were you just blindly following him?

Also, not how i voted on fab rather than someone important like link, or you. I know that both of you are pretty experienced players, and if town can help us a great deal. But, can you like, play like a vet and not a nub? tyvm.

(I'll be posting more as i read through the thread)

I found it interesting at the time that UTA was sheeping me on every vote so far... wanted to test how far he would take it. He almost immediately stopped sheeping my vote once I voted you with UTA going onto fabian. Hence my post casting sideways glances at UTA's vote there.

Then, UTA crossposted me (I should remember to heed that red warning "someone else posted while you were typing!") giving a decent support for why he had chosen that particular point in time to quit sheeping me.

[worldwideweb3]

what does sheeping mean?

[rob77dp]

My town reads, which are admittedly weak leans for now given state of activity and content so far, include:

www3 (the way he self-pres voted struck me as not scum-motivated)
UTA (sheeped what he considered a player with vested interest trying to solve [me] and was able to quickly and adequately explain why he DIDN'T sheep further when I tested him)

That's it. The rest of you are null (aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now) or scummy.

zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none

what does sheeping mean?

To me, it is copying another player on their vote, read, or play in the game - i.e. to not fully think for oneself, like a sheep.

[godisnowonline]

My inactivity should have no further bearing on this game.

On that note, I have no real push or pull this early in the game, The Fabian vote was a tragedy but there is nothing we can really do about it with day 1 lynches almost always blowing up in towns face. (I don't think I've been in a mafia on this forum where a day 1 lynch has gone in favor of town). I never really have much to say up until my time of death because i'm often a day or so behind on posts. At this point i'd like to see what other people are thinkining regards of what we should do. Has Anti said anything since his first couple of posts?

[antiaverage]

(aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now)

Sorry, I don't play mafia often so I don't know what constitutes meaningful and meaningless participation.

(I don't think I've been in a mafia on this forum where a day 1 lynch has gone in favor of town)

What are the odds on that? Do we know how many mafia vs town there are?

[godisnowonline]

usually 1maf 5 town. give or take.

Meaning that the odds are stacked against hitting a day 1 lynch without shit play by the mafia where they wave a flag begging to be lynched, and then you get the occasional jester role. All i was saying was that Fabian not wanting a lynch and getting lynched for it makes less sense. Every day that mafia kills somebody information is gathered. By trying to lynch with no information at all we just start the game killing our own and start to move the odds in the mafias favor.

[rob77dp]

Alright, let me give my best attempt at an in-thread in-game primer on a few things here.

1. Day 1 is void of information.
    *** The way that town fights this is by being ACTIVE and posting and interacting to give each other (town with town) information and opportunity to read each other. I mean, something that I notice as being a bit of an epidemic in mafia games here is town being way way way too reliant on trying to use roles/abilities to get information and try to find scum. That is really sub-optimal play for town from town POV.

2. Lynching scum Day 1 is hard and nearly impossible.
   *** Not really. When #1, above, is not countered by town/players being active on Day 1 then yeah maybe it is unlikely to hit scum Day 1. It really isn't all that much "odds stacked against town" causing the problem so much as lack of activity in a meaningful way for town to look around and see who they think is town during day thread posting times...

3. Day 1 lynches blow up in towns' faces.
   *** When nearly-nobody is active or having interactions in the thread it makes it VERY difficult for ANY flip on the lynch to be informative. What I mean is that when mafia know everyone's alignment already and town players know only their own alignment then mafia benefit from lower and lower activity/posting and town benefits (or will eventually) from more and more posting/activity.

Nota bene (NB): This is not something I intend to aim at any specific players in the game. I do however intend it to be aimed at all of us in general playing who want town to perform well and win this thing.

[killsdazombies]

For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

[antiaverage]

For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

Thanks, that's a big help