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Title: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 09, 2017, 08:22:14 am
Elements Mafia

Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, killsdazombies, icedoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, killsdazombies, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, killsdazombies, killsdazombies, and killsdazombies.

Mafia is generally played between two teams: Civilians and Mafia. The civilians are the main group, and they enjoy the advantage of being a majority. Every day, the civilians post in the thread to discuss who is likely to be mafia, and place a vote on who they think is being scummy (a.k.a. mafia-like or anti-civilian). One thing to note is that your Voting Total signifies the total of votes placed on you, and Voting Power stands for how many votes you actually place on someone when you vote on them (everyone has a standard Voting Power of 1). At the end of the day the host tallies up all the votes and considers all skills affecting the voting; the person with the most votes on them is killed (termed as lynching), and all their info is revealed. Then Night falls...

That’s when the mafia come in. The Mafia are a minority of players who know each other’s identity. Their job is to eliminate all the other players using deception and Nightkills. They interact with the town during the day, trying to mislead them away from lynching any mafia members. When night falls, Mafia discusses in secret and chooses a person to kill (termed as Nightkill). Also during the night the civilians use their roles. The two most noteworthy roles that are usually included in some form are the cop, who investigates other players to find their allegiance, and the medic, who can protect a specific player from any Nightkills for that night.

The Civilians win when whenever they manage to eliminate all the Mafia members. Mafia wins when their combined Voting Power is enough to control the vote entirely, i.e. if all Mafia members vote on the same Civilian and all Civilians vote on a Mafia member, the Civilian will be lynched.

General Mafia Rules

1.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2.   You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3.   Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4.   You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5.   You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6.   All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7.   The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8.   Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9.   Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.

Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 09, 2017, 09:17:15 am
You are all aboard a ship out zee, it’s been months since the crew has seen land, and many are restless. One night, many are growing weary of the constant zee and taste of salt. One suggests a mutiny amid the grumble and all fall silent. After a moment, he chuckles softly and claims it’s a foolhardy thought. An hour later the captain is found dead on the deck. A note is pegged to the message board “The Silent Mutineers Call”. The coal is missing, likely thrown out to zee, and the crew is fearful. Either the mutineers will be ousted, or they will kill their way into control of the ship. Only time will tell.


General Rules
1.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2.   You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3.   Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4.   You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5.   You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6.   All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7.   The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8.   Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9.   Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.

Specific Rules/Notes
1: All communication must be done in thread, chat and private messages between players is off limits.
2: The game starts on Day 1
3: Each phase will be at least 48 hours. This may be extended on request and necessity, but at least 12 hours of notice will be given before an extension.
4: On a vote tie, no lynch will occur.
5: You may vote for no lynch.
6: Roles are unique, no two players can be the same person.
7: No roles will be guaranteed to belong to a certain faction.




Primary Roles:
Loyal Zailor: Town of the game. No additional abilities
Mutineer: The mafia of the game. Every night they may target one player to kill.
(Note! For purposes involving targeting, the person who sends the kill will be treated as the person targeting.)




Officer Roles:
Bandaged Poissonnier: (1U) Poison a player, if they are killed during the night, the person who killed them dies with them, otherwise they die 2 nights from now.
Nacreous Survivor: (EoR): All targeting effects have no effect when targeting you this round
Magician: (ER) Target a player, learn their officer role. Target them again to learn their Primary Role
Maybe’s Rival: (EoR) Learn who targeted a target player, and who the player targeted.
Carnelian Exile: (Passive) You may also vote via PM to the host (Replaces in thread votes)
Sigil-Eaten Navigator: (EoR) Target cannot use their ability or send in the night kill. They are not informed of this ability use.
Irrepressible Cannoneer: (1U) Kill a target player, their role is not revealed.
Presbyterate Adventuress: (Passive) When you are lynched, reveal which officers, and which primary roles voted on you.
Indomitable Campaigner: (ER) Target a player, if they would be night killed, instead you die, and they are publicly revealed as saved.
Disillusioned Doctor: (Passive) Gain .5 Vote Power every time someone is lynched.
Scarred Sister: (EoR) If the target player would die tonight, instead they lose the ability to post and use abilities, and may only vote.
Zailor: A simple crew member, a boat must have a crew.




Message board
There is a message board on the deck of the ship that the crew often leaves notes on. Players may leave notes whenever they like, and sign them however they like. These notes are sent via PM to the host to be posted during the day.


1:dawn to dusk
2: worldwideweb3
3: UTAlan
4: fabian771
5: Kuroaitou
6: antiaverage
7: godisnowonline
8: Linkcat
9: rob77dp

Demagog is right, in the current set the Adventuress officer is OP. When I first wanted the role to be a thing, the game had a lottttt of vote manipulation, but in its current set, with only a single /real/ vote manipulation role, its improbable to find balance with it. I'll either cut it within the hour (We only have 10 or so people ATM) or... well, thats the likely scenario at this time.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: dawn to dusk on January 09, 2017, 09:19:57 am
Why not
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: iancudorinmarian on January 09, 2017, 10:04:10 am
inb4 reading rules
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 09, 2017, 11:27:46 am
In.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 09, 2017, 01:34:41 pm
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 09, 2017, 02:15:03 pm
In

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 10, 2017, 12:41:09 am
In.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 10, 2017, 12:45:11 am
/in

...for now. I think these are the rules that mentioned no OOC - if that changed then /out.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 10, 2017, 12:46:02 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 10, 2017, 12:45:11 am
/in

...for now. I think these are the rules that mentioned no OOC - if that changed then /out.
EBWOP-practice:

Also, pre-rand slank cover for being out of town through 18th. (as if lurking/inactivity was ever a scum-tell for me anyway)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 10, 2017, 12:53:46 am
It''s kind of cute seeing rob use his new mafia slang.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 10, 2017, 01:07:59 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 10, 2017, 12:53:46 am
It''s kind of cute seeing rob use his new mafia slang
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp

Cute is a new word for you in my experience. Also, 'kind of cute' is too hedge-y and not enough spicy. If you change your account avatar too then I push your lynch instead of just voting. :P

--> You should vote-me-back because pre-stating intent to vote for something somebody hasn't done yet is wolfy as it gets.

--> --> scum!rob would have to resist removing the vote without arguing because only scum are so easy to push around in the thread.

--> --> --> alright now I'm just getting out of hand

:D (Do you see the long phrase versions of common slang there? You should.)

*this should be lots of fun again :-)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 10, 2017, 01:53:44 am
Participatingish.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 12, 2017, 08:14:13 pm
I forgot to sign-up, sorry killsdazombies
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 12, 2017, 11:41:13 pm
Quote from: antiaverage on January 12, 2017, 08:14:13 pm
I forgot to sign-up, sorry killsdazombies
I think this is a /in by aa.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Demagog on January 13, 2017, 01:41:57 am
Not playing, but some roles seem broken AF... but I didn't read all the rules. One role can just claim and ask to be lynched, but allow only half the players to vote on you. Now you've helped narrow down the list of suspects.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 13, 2017, 02:02:43 am
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 13, 2017, 02:37:42 am
Quote from: Demagog on January 13, 2017, 01:41:57 am
Not playing, but some roles seem broken AF... but I didn't read all the rules. One role can just claim and ask to be lynched, but allow only half the players to vote on you. Now you've helped narrow down the list of suspects.


The goal of the role is essentially suicide. I was going to write a post asking if I could potentially nerf it to only revealing primary roles, but I wanted to think on it more.


Heres how I view it, early game, say there are 15 people. 3 are going to mafia (Assuming a standard 1/5th rule) So theres a chance the person is mafia. Lets assume they aren't, the role only reveals which role voted on them. If 8 people voted on them, and 3 were mafia, the reveal wouldn't be Town x5 Mafia x3, it would be Town and Mafia. It doesn't reveal the number of roles that voted on it, only which roles did.


Still, thoughts are valued, the role is intended as a mid to late game "surprise" or a spotty opener.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Demagog on January 13, 2017, 05:13:19 am
Then it's a game clincher for town. If one mafia is known to be left, you can use the same plan I just mentioned and verify half the town. I don't think a role should completely remove all chance of mafia winning if the right circumstances occur.

When deciding what roles to include in a game, you have to consider what are the must-kill roles for each team. There are usually two by default. The more must-kill roles, the harder it is for your team to win.

I also think the .5 votes per death role is OP, and that's a role that has been used in the past. Maybe something better would be your vote power in the next round is half the number of people that voted on you this round. It can still be countered, as long as people don't vote on you for one round.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 13, 2017, 06:57:48 am
Quote from: Demagog on January 13, 2017, 05:13:19 am
Then it's a game clincher for town. If one mafia is known to be left, you can use the same plan I just mentioned and verify half the town. I don't think a role should completely remove all chance of mafia winning if the right circumstances occur.

When deciding what roles to include in a game, you have to consider what are the must-kill roles for each team. There are usually two by default. The more must-kill roles, the harder it is for your team to win.

I also think the .5 votes per death role is OP, and that's a role that has been used in the past. Maybe something better would be your vote power in the next round is half the number of people that voted on you this round. It can still be countered, as long as people don't vote on you for one round.


Hmm, alright, I can see where you're coming from, I didn't consider it a must-kill, but I see that it has a bit more punch then I'd like, perhaps cut the primary aspect of it and make it just reveal secondaries? But at that point, the entire role has lost meaning/flavour


Its .5 per lynch, not death
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 16, 2017, 09:40:24 am
Alright, so, I've decided that the adventuress role is too easy to just /win with. In a previous set up, I had the role exist, but that had a lot of vote manipulation and it fit well with the theme, but in this set with only a single role /really/ causing vote manipulation, its just unbalanced, either OP or UP no matter which way it goes. Which is a real shame. I don't think its really salvageable either, unless I went with something like "Each person who votes on you has their vote power reduced by half the next day" or something to that effect. Regardless, the role is scrapped right now, and I apologize for the inconvenience


Though, since we have 10 roles anyway, I'm not super concerned about it right now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: iancudorinmarian on January 16, 2017, 10:49:12 am
/out (not related to rules or anything, just don't want to have an extra thing to worry about with exams being soon)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 17, 2017, 10:05:27 pm
Day 1





The captain has just been killed and the crew is in an uproar, fingers are pointed, harsh words are used, and daggers are drawn. In the crowd a lone zailor cries out for order. He purpose a simple voting system, each day they'll vote to kill someone, until they've killed the last of the mutineers. Then, they can return home. The crowd mumbles in agreement, as the zailor prepares to take notes and votes.


Roles are being sent out, then a timer will be posted
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 18, 2017, 03:32:00 am
Just pointing something out:

Whoever has the Carmelian Exile role is not someone we can trust lot. They could lie anytime they like about lynch, and it is a powerful role if the person who possesses this role is mafia. The Magician will help here, I'd recommend to start seeking roles starting this Night phase.

The Maybe's Rival could be used as some sort of low level investigative role, but I can't think of some way to use it.

For now, I'll lay my vote here.
No Lynch (1) - fabian771
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 18, 2017, 05:39:43 am
Quote from: fabian771 on January 18, 2017, 03:32:00 am
Just pointing something out:

Whoever has the Carmelian Exile role is not someone we can trust lot. They could lie anytime they like about lynch, and it is a powerful role if the person who possesses this role is mafia. The Magician will help here, I'd recommend to start seeking roles starting this Night phase.

The Maybe's Rival could be used as some sort of low level investigative role, but I can't think of some way to use it.

For now, I'll lay my vote here.
No Lynch (1) - fabian771
I feel pretty strongly that no lynch here is not helping town... you should do something town-y (sailor-y ... Zailor-y?) and not vote no lynch (or somehow make a convincing case for no lynch benefiting town here) then I'll reconsider...

No Lynch (1) - fabian771
fabian771 (1) - rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 18, 2017, 06:15:51 am
All I wanted was some more grog and to put these sea legs on solid ground for some treasure, not to see no captain killed! He's been good to us, he has, and I won't sit idly by and let this high talking land lubber tell us to do nothing. I want answers, and if this yapper has to walk the plank, then I'm for it. A dead captain won't bring us booty, you slimy dog.

No Lynch (1) - fabian771
fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 18, 2017, 06:23:46 am
aa - do you find voting no lynch to be alignment indicative?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 18, 2017, 07:46:46 am
I think I know why anti signed up for this mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 18, 2017, 07:57:07 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 18, 2017, 07:46:46 am
I think I know why anti signed up for this mafia.

And now I know what your alignment is.

No Lynch (1) - fabian771
fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 18, 2017, 01:11:04 pm
You're either lying, or voting on someone you know is town. Both are scummy.

Also, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 18, 2017, 02:43:20 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 18, 2017, 06:23:46 am
aa - do you find voting no lynch to be alignment indicative?

On day one, when we have zero information, No Lynch is saying "let's not play." This is a possibly strong way of saying he's a zailor, but in the way it was done, too carefully crafted, so smells a bit like mutineer trying to talk his way out. But I'm not all that experienced at this game, so open to shifting views.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 18, 2017, 03:33:04 pm
No Lynch (1) - fabian771
fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan

Because I don't want to bandwagon on fabian (the pressure is already on him) and I don't want a no lynch. Plus I think it'd be fun to watch anti walk the plank.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 18, 2017, 07:02:35 pm
I wont be active during this first day phase. Got a uni interview tomorrow :/ Also, link, you lost the signup battle in fg says ages ago and didnt notice, mwuahaha
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 18, 2017, 09:10:01 pm
You might want to check that again.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 18, 2017, 09:40:42 pm
I've pretty much dug my own grave, so...

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan

Removing my vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 18, 2017, 10:55:45 pm
Quote from: fabian771 on January 18, 2017, 09:40:42 pm
I've pretty much dug my own grave, so...

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan

Removing my vote.
what was the reason you no lynch voted to begin with, fabian771?

Also, I must say that hinting at giving up, fabian, is not much better than voting no lynch in my view...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 18, 2017, 10:59:34 pm
Quote from: UTAlan on January 18, 2017, 03:33:04 pm
Because I don't want to bandwagon on fabian (the pressure is already on him) and I don't want a no lynch. Plus I think it'd be fun to watch anti walk the plank.

Don't tell me you're still sore about losing that poker game on the lower deck last week? I only took you for half your rations that day, matey. And I did fix that boot of yours.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 19, 2017, 12:20:30 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 18, 2017, 10:55:45 pm
Quote from: fabian771 on January 18, 2017, 09:40:42 pm
I've pretty much dug my own grave, so...

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan

Removing my vote.
what was the reason you no lynch voted to begin with, fabian771?

We don't have a reason to lynch anyone at the moment. Sure, it might be stupid, but a random lynch might damage Zailors in the sense of lynching a powerful ability. On the plus side, sure, a mafia might be lynched, or an option is eliminated, but I really don't see much. But....

Also, I must say that hinting at giving up, fabian, is not much better than voting no lynch in my view...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 19, 2017, 12:21:52 am
EBWOP: I accidentally dropped the answer to rob's question within the quote. Getting it outta there.

We don't have a reason to lynch anyone at the moment. Sure, it might be stupid, but a random lynch might damage Zailors in the sense of lynching a powerful ability. On the plus side, sure, a mafia might be lynched, or an option is eliminated, but I really don't see much. But....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 02:43:24 am
Quote from: fabian771 on January 19, 2017, 12:21:52 am
EBWOP: I accidentally dropped the answer to rob's question within the quote. Getting it outta there.

We don't have a reason to lynch anyone at the moment. Sure, it might be stupid, but a random lynch might damage Zailors in the sense of lynching a powerful ability. On the plus side, sure, a mafia might be lynched, or an option is eliminated, but I really don't see much. But....
eh, I don't not get the reason no lynch is enticing but to simply start on it and want to end there while sorting on it the whole day is just not town beneficial... Basically, unless I'm missing something about this game the Zailor's best chance to gather information odd daytime interaction, which is sorely sorely lacking right now, to be honest.

Confirm or correct: you started on no lynch and we're willing to go all day one hoping town landed there too in order to not risk mislynching?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 02:45:53 am
Also, I hope the lurkers plan on playing the game and showing up to post and solve... I mean, at this rate I get N1 killed and then tear my hair out following 2-post per day town trying to find scum in the dark...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 02:55:51 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 02:45:53 am
Also, I hope the lurkers plan on playing the game and showing up to post and solve...

So I agree with this in theory, but in practice I never know what to say during day 1  ?_?

Quote from: Kuroaitou on January 18, 2017, 07:57:07 am
And now I know what your alignment is.

Spent too much time analyzing this - Kuro, what in the world?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 03:56:44 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 02:55:51 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 02:45:53 am
Also, I hope the lurkers plan on playing the game and showing up to post and solve...

So I agree with this in theory, but in practice I never know what to say during day 1  ?_?

-snip-
It has been a few games since I played here but I recall you using a line like this last time when you were a strawberry scum... Who would you like to pressure to discern if they are lurking-scum or lurking-town among the people yet to post anything here?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 03:58:36 am
Un snip!!

Yeah, Kuro, wth mate? I _think_only mutineers could know alignment at this juncture?!?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 04:46:13 am
Quote from: Kuroaitou on January 18, 2017, 07:57:07 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 18, 2017, 07:46:46 am
I think I know why anti signed up for this mafia.

And now I know what your alignment is.

No Lynch (1) - fabian771
fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
let me be more direct... Kuro, you made that alignment statement and then voted Lc - I take it you mean to imply you think he outed with that statement and you are voting to lynch what you consider as scum!Link?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 19, 2017, 05:27:40 am
Time to lynch rob Day 1 again.

Rob is currently a giant tentacle. Giant tentacles are known to have sunk ships like ours, and he looks pretty angry. He's also the Master of Death. Sounds pretty wolfy to me.

I rest my case.

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 06:42:51 am
Linkcat lock town. I think past games with both of us in it he scum read town!me except when he was scum... He is calling me scum so he must be town.


Also, come on people... dawn and gino why sign up and zero post day one??
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 19, 2017, 07:04:17 am
I've been distracted by dealing with start of semester for college. They tried sticking me with a proffessor i had an issue with so i've been pretty steamy and salty.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 08:12:30 pm
This is terrible. There remains about 3 hours until end of day one and the game has 25 (which will be 26 when I finish this post) posts _TOTAL_ which is less than 3 posts-per-player. I'm at 10 posts so far... leaving the other 8 of you lot as responsible for the other 16.

There is no way this Day 1 lynches a scummy mutineer except by sheer total dumb luck... I mean, barely half (5/9 = 55%) of the players are even voting right now.

/trying-to-keep-emotion-in-check-but-about-to-lose-that-battle-soon-probably

Typing frankly, this is barely resembling a game of mafia.

@dawn to dusk
@worldwideweb3
@UTAlan
@fabian771
@Kuroaitou
@antiaverage
@godisnowonline
@Linkcat

To the town among you, if (really, it just feels much more like "when" from my chair) I die tonight Night 1 please please don't just sit idly by in a dead thread not playing or trying to win. Get your activity up and find some motivation to scum hunt.

Right now, a very shaky list of reads I would put looks like this (the low activity and game content to-date is hampering ANY attempt to solve right now):

Zailors:
me


Zailor leans:
none


Slight Zailor leans:
UTA - barely active but agrees with the angle of NOT no-lynch voting (I find that just ever so slightly nudges the needle here)

aa - somewhat present and also melded with me about the No Lynch vote thing


Null pile:
Linkcat - eh, I tend to start with a tainted feeling that he is always scum until showing himself otherwise... so far, he did manage to avoid instantly town-reading me for my having a pulse (Strawberry Link made that mistake I think? - could just be Lc evolving his game I suppose... or evidence to lean my view of him towards town!Link)...

dawn - 0 posts

www3 - 1 post discussing their own inactivity

gino- 1 post discussing their own inactivity


Slight Mutineer leans:
Kuro - disappeared when questioned about his very odd and very curious alignment-knowing statement

fabian - a few posts... but I find wanting to No Lynch as not town POV and gave basically no resistance to my pushing on the no-lynch vote stance he started with.


Mutineer leans:
none
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 08:17:43 pm
EBWOP:

Note - not really any method to my ordering within tiers... just in order of how I typed them up.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 09:59:28 pm
Swapping to a 0 poster for now. Speak up dawn. Plz.

Kuro, you're on my scummy list, too. Would love an explanation to your only post.

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 10:00:38 pm
Also - not voting for fabian b/c I used to be a no-lyncher, too. I've been convinced it isn't beneficial for town, but I also understand why someone would think it would be. Not enough (alone) to get me to vote on him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 10:44:29 pm
Quote from: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 09:59:28 pm
Swapping to a 0 poster for now. Speak up dawn. Plz.

Kuro, you're on my scummy list, too. Would love an explanation to your only post.

fabian771 (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
As a general principle, I do not like lynching low posters. This is a case of a zero-poster. @dawn to dusk please get in here and do SOMETHING anything to help us read and choose to vote you or move off of you, eh?

fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (2) - UTAlan, rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 10:46:55 pm
fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp

Scratch that last idea... I've noticed several times that www3 has had this page open today and has posted NOTHING. No more lurking Mr. Cannot Be Bothered To Actively Participate -- make some posts or something. It isn't like the game is moving at any speed measurable in posts/hour.

UTA - come onto www3 with me instead of zero-posting dawn who probably quite honestly has NO IDEA the game is even running right now...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 10:48:45 pm
Switching b/c the logic is sound. If rob turns out to be mafia (however unlikely that looks right now) I hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - rob77dp, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 10:56:29 pm
Lol, you can try. As I said I had a uni interview and then hockey so wasn't on my laptop whole day. Brb after shower in about 30 mins if you are still around
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 10:58:49 pm
He says with 1 minute to go in the round.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 10:59:45 pm
Vote on fab. Need I save myself. More later.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 11:00:10 pm
//to.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 11:01:56 pm
fab is better than no lynch.

fabian771 (3) - antiaverage, worldwideweb3, UTAlan
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 19, 2017, 11:09:13 pm
Well, uta beat me mid post, as I was posting the round end, so I'll extend the timer by 5 minutes per vote (as done I previous games) to navigate last second vote swap, and in the absence of new votes and shenanigans, the round will end 5 minutes from the time of posting this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 11:11:05 pm
Noting the Mutineer-y popin from www3 there only once he was being voted. Comfortable there but do not really oppose a fabian lynch either.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 11:12:24 pm
Gonna note in case it wasn't clear before - I'd rather my vote go to w3 at this point, but if I vote him, it's a tie between w3 and fabian, resulting in a no lynch. I am trying to avoid that, so going with fabian over no lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 11:12:55 pm
Also, not so sure I would Zailor-lean the sheeping of me by UTA here. I mean, I'm town and posting a LOT more with more thought in it than others right now but still could be Mutineer!UTA wanting to keep himself in my shadow here...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 11:13:18 pm
EBWOP - the explanation from UTA eases my misgivings on his sheeping. The note is noted.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 11:14:17 pm
fabian771 (3) - antiaverage, worldwideweb3, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - Kuroaitou, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

Huh, Link leaving his very unsupported, my view just RVS, vote parked like this is scummy too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 11:17:20 pm
Hi im here. @rob, i was acc inactive for the whole day. I havent sent my fg says answer yet either (can confirm with jijo if you want). Any immediate questions you need answers to, before end of this day?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 19, 2017, 11:22:01 pm
Alright round over, its been 5 minutes since the last vote post. Voting closed.



Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 19, 2017, 11:27:09 pm
Votes are tallied, and lines are cast. Fabian stands in the crowd as the nudge him toward the rails. The crowd seems divided, but there is limited voice of resistance. A hand from sea of bodies pushes fabian into the far more literal zee. The deck is silent as he slips into the water. There are no bubbles, no signs of life from the moment he hits the water. The crowd uneasily shuffles about, before returning to their quarters for the night. No one feels any safer, and indeed, no one is. Maybe it was fate, maybe fabian was meant to die. Or maybe this whole ship will sink to the bottom of the zee. Sleep will not come easy tonight.




Fabian has died. They were a
Loyal Zailor and Maybe’s Rival: (EoR) Learn who targeted a target player, and who the player targeted.


Night one has begun, and will end when the previous round was designated to end (in respect to time)

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 11:35:49 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 10:46:55 pm
fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp

Scratch that last idea... I've noticed several times that www3 has had this page open today and has posted NOTHING. No more lurking Mr. Cannot Be Bothered To Actively Participate -- make some posts or something. It isn't like the game is moving at any speed measurable in posts/hour.

UTA - come onto www3 with me instead of zero-posting dawn who probably quite honestly has NO IDEA the game is even running right now...

hmm, interesting post this. With 14 minutes to go (giving me next to no time to acc reply, thank god i checked in at last minute) , you start on a new target, who you are well aware will be inactive for the first day phase (as i already mentioned in thread before).  Reasons for such a late push? And, UT, were your reasons same as rob, ie to get me to talk (even though i said i wont be here for first day), or were you just blindly following him?

Also, not how i voted on fab rather than someone important like link, or you. I know that both of you are pretty experienced players, and if town can help us a great deal. But, can you like, play like a vet and not a nub? tyvm.

(I'll be posting more as i read through the thread)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 19, 2017, 11:39:43 pm
For one, I didn't realize we were so low on time until I saw your post and went to look for the deadline. Also, the only tactic I really know early on in mafia is to put pressure on people and see how they respond. Kuro didn't respond to my pressure, so I went with dawn. Rob convinced me to put the pressure on you, which worked in the sense that it got you to respond.

(And question for anyone who wants to answer - should saying you're going to be inactive give you any protection? I understand where you're coming from, w3, but it's definitely a strategy mafia could use to buy themselves some time. "I'm gonna be at a work conference for the next 2 days, so plz don't vote on me this round. I'll be active when I get home, I promise." Obviously has the cost of not being active on the forums during that time, but just throwing it out there.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 11:45:34 pm
Is night thread posting allowed this game?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 19, 2017, 11:47:41 pm
Yes, the only communication blocked is out of thread
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 19, 2017, 11:57:36 pm
So yeah, I tried. And buried myself alive.

Guess I should keep it shut next time; it seems I'm better off not trying to help early on.

At least I had a minor role, although I could've helped in certain occassions as a kind-of investigative role.

Me being the Maybe's Rival was also why I asked for some ideas as to how to use the role effectively.

Well, other Zailors(and Mutineers if the case is presented), I await for you in the Underwater Frigate. But don't drown before reaching it!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 19, 2017, 11:59:35 pm
I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 20, 2017, 12:24:00 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 19, 2017, 11:35:49 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 19, 2017, 10:46:55 pm
fabian771 (1) - antiaverage
Linkcat (1) - Kuroaitou
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp

Scratch that last idea... I've noticed several times that www3 has had this page open today and has posted NOTHING. No more lurking Mr. Cannot Be Bothered To Actively Participate -- make some posts or something. It isn't like the game is moving at any speed measurable in posts/hour.

UTA - come onto www3 with me instead of zero-posting dawn who probably quite honestly has NO IDEA the game is even running right now...

hmm, interesting post this. With 14 minutes to go (giving me next to no time to acc reply, thank god i checked in at last minute) , you start on a new target, who you are well aware will be inactive for the first day phase (as i already mentioned in thread before).  Reasons for such a late push? And, UT, were your reasons same as rob, ie to get me to talk (even though i said i wont be here for first day), or were you just blindly following him?

Also, not how i voted on fab rather than someone important like link, or you. I know that both of you are pretty experienced players, and if town can help us a great deal. But, can you like, play like a vet and not a nub? tyvm.

(I'll be posting more as i read through the thread)
I found it interesting at the time that UTA was sheeping me on every vote so far... wanted to test how far he would take it. He almost immediately stopped sheeping my vote once I voted you with UTA going onto fabian. Hence my post casting sideways glances at UTA's vote there.

Then, UTA crossposted me (I should remember to heed that red warning "someone else posted while you were typing!") giving a decent support for why he had chosen that particular point in time to quit sheeping me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 20, 2017, 12:27:28 am
what does sheeping mean?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 20, 2017, 01:24:14 am
My town reads, which are admittedly weak leans for now given state of activity and content so far, include:

www3 (the way he self-pres voted struck me as not scum-motivated)
UTA (sheeped what he considered a player with vested interest trying to solve [me] and was able to quickly and adequately explain why he DIDN'T sheep further when I tested him)

That's it. The rest of you are null (aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now) or scummy.

zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none

Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 20, 2017, 12:27:28 am
what does sheeping mean?
To me, it is copying another player on their vote, read, or play in the game - i.e. to not fully think for oneself, like a sheep.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 20, 2017, 03:55:42 am
My inactivity should have no further bearing on this game.

On that note, I have no real push or pull this early in the game, The Fabian vote was a tragedy but there is nothing we can really do about it with day 1 lynches almost always blowing up in towns face. (I don't think I've been in a mafia on this forum where a day 1 lynch has gone in favor of town). I never really have much to say up until my time of death because i'm often a day or so behind on posts. At this point i'd like to see what other people are thinkining regards of what we should do. Has Anti said anything since his first couple of posts?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 20, 2017, 04:02:22 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 20, 2017, 01:24:14 am
(aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now)

Sorry, I don't play mafia often so I don't know what constitutes meaningful and meaningless participation.

Quote from: godisnowonline on January 20, 2017, 03:55:42 am
(I don't think I've been in a mafia on this forum where a day 1 lynch has gone in favor of town)

What are the odds on that? Do we know how many mafia vs town there are?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 20, 2017, 04:07:25 am
usually 1maf 5 town. give or take.

Meaning that the odds are stacked against hitting a day 1 lynch without shit play by the mafia where they wave a flag begging to be lynched, and then you get the occasional jester role. All i was saying was that Fabian not wanting a lynch and getting lynched for it makes less sense. Every day that mafia kills somebody information is gathered. By trying to lynch with no information at all we just start the game killing our own and start to move the odds in the mafias favor.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 20, 2017, 05:02:08 am
Alright, let me give my best attempt at an in-thread in-game primer on a few things here.

1. Day 1 is void of information.
    *** The way that town fights this is by being ACTIVE and posting and interacting to give each other (town with town) information and opportunity to read each other. I mean, something that I notice as being a bit of an epidemic in mafia games here is town being way way way too reliant on trying to use roles/abilities to get information and try to find scum. That is really sub-optimal play for town from town POV.

2. Lynching scum Day 1 is hard and nearly impossible.
   *** Not really. When #1, above, is not countered by town/players being active on Day 1 then yeah maybe it is unlikely to hit scum Day 1. It really isn't all that much "odds stacked against town" causing the problem so much as lack of activity in a meaningful way for town to look around and see who they think is town during day thread posting times...

3. Day 1 lynches blow up in towns' faces.
   *** When nearly-nobody is active or having interactions in the thread it makes it VERY difficult for ANY flip on the lynch to be informative. What I mean is that when mafia know everyone's alignment already and town players know only their own alignment then mafia benefit from lower and lower activity/posting and town benefits (or will eventually) from more and more posting/activity.

Nota bene (NB): This is not something I intend to aim at any specific players in the game. I do however intend it to be aimed at all of us in general playing who want town to perform well and win this thing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 20, 2017, 09:26:08 pm
For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 20, 2017, 11:27:32 pm
Quote from: killsdazombies on January 20, 2017, 09:26:08 pm
For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

Thanks, that's a big help
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 02:20:14 am
Quote from: antiaverage on January 20, 2017, 11:27:32 pm
Quote from: killsdazombies on January 20, 2017, 09:26:08 pm
For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

Thanks, that's a big help
Anything specific you can share as to why you find it helpful enough to post about it now?

Also, to all: I would really like to see your current takes on the game state. That is, something like list of reads or thoughts so far on players/posts or what you're looking to learn by interacting here soon.

/me pleading with town to be active enough to make solving even remotely possible
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:25:50 am
rob has a heavy town lean.

I'd like to hear from Kuro since he never answered any of our questions about his post, though I have a guess about it (don't want to say until he answers so that I'm not feeding him an excuse).

Link is hard to read. Getting a scum vibe, but he did the same thing last game (didn't contribute much early except bread/troll posts, then came in mid-late game and did his thing).

w3 is neutral to me. His response to the pressure didn't provide much insight, imo.

anti hasn't posted anything of substance. Could be because he hasn't played in awhile, but my gut says it's b/c he's mafia and is trying to look active without putting himself at risk of being read.

dawn to dusk & godisnowonline are neutral, but the longer they go without being active the more suspicion will fall on them.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:35:00 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:25:50 am
rob has a heavy town lean.

I'd like to hear from Kuro since he never answered any of our questions about his post, though I have a guess about it (don't want to say until he answers so that I'm not feeding him an excuse).

Link is hard to read. Getting a scum vibe, but he did the same thing last game (didn't contribute much early except bread/troll posts, then came in mid-late game and did his thing).

w3 is neutral to me. His response to the pressure didn't provide much insight, imo.

anti hasn't posted anything of substance. Could be because he hasn't played in awhile, but my gut says it's b/c he's mafia and is trying to look active without putting himself at risk of being read.

dawn to dusk & godisnowonline are neutral, but the longer they go without being active the more suspicion will fall on them.
Hmm, a lot of reliance on activity / post-count it feels like in your list here UTA. Also, do you have any reason to think aa / Link (your only scum-leans or vibes?) could be w/w or are not-w/w?

With the forum not having a "mention" feature and being unable to mention/discuss game OOT means if they don't know it started or simply don't care to be motivated we don't have a way to push them in here. :-@
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:43:53 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:35:00 am
Hmm, a lot of reliance on activity / post-count it feels like in your list here UTA.

I guess? I mean, with you and me being the only semi-active players, any list I make could be interpreted that way, no? And heavy town lean from you isn't based solely on activity, but on what you've said and how you've said it and a general gut feeling. (Ofc, I say nearly every game that I suck at scumreading, so take my list with a grain of salt.)

Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:35:00 am
Also, do you have any reason to think aa / Link (your only scum-leans or vibes?) could be w/w or are not-w/w?

Not really? They haven't interacted with each other at all, which could be nothing or it could be w/w trying to separate themselves from each other. My scum-vibe from Link is based on what he's said compared to his behavior in previous games. For anti, it's based solely on a gut feeling since he hasn't posted much. Asking about # of mafia could be innocent or it could be mafia trying to look innocent. Though now that I think about it, doesn't seem smart of mafia to point out that town doesn't know how many mafia members there are, so maybe that leans him town just a tiny bit?


Also, @rob: Did I miss something, or did you leave Link out of your reads list?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:45:00 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:35:00 am
With the forum not having a "mention" feature and being unable to mention/discuss game OOT means if they don't know it started or simply don't care to be motivated we don't have a way to push them in here. :-@

Sounds like you should create an Enhancement Request (https://bitbucket.org/elementscommunity/elements_community/issues).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:49:51 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:43:53 am
-snip-
Also, @rob: Did I miss something, or did you leave Link out of your reads list?

Quote from: rob77dp on January 20, 2017, 01:24:14 am
My town reads, which are admittedly weak leans for now given state of activity and content so far, include:

www3 (the way he self-pres voted struck me as not scum-motivated)
UTA (sheeped what he considered a player with vested interest trying to solve [me] and was able to quickly and adequately explain why he DIDN'T sheep further when I tested him)

That's it. The rest of you are null (aa slid back given he is more role-playing so far than participating... with other activity levels increasing his meager early participation is less valuable now) or scummy.

zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none

Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 20, 2017, 12:27:28 am
what does sheeping mean?
To me, it is copying another player on their vote, read, or play in the game - i.e. to not fully think for oneself, like a sheep.
What the wha?!?? I did leave him out. I'll check my previous list too and rectify ASAP. Thanks for reading it. At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:51:22 am
zailor:
me

zailor-read
xxxx

zailor-lean:
www3
UTA

null:
aa
Link (was missing in prev list... has not moved since I last did a list that DID Include him)
dawn
gino

mutineer-lean:
kuro

mutineer-read:
none
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:52:48 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:49:51 am
At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?

The NK target could change things (for example, if I get killed :silly:), but right now I'd like to put pressure on Link early on D2. If he's town, we need to push him into being active and helpful early on. If he's mafia, getting him to post a bit more will hopefully help us get a read on him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 05:00:08 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 21, 2017, 04:52:48 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 04:49:51 am
At this point, who do you plan to push/vote/look at first/strongest Day 2?

The NK target could change things (for example, if I get killed :silly:), but right now I'd like to put pressure on Link early on D2. If he's town, we need to push him into being active and helpful early on. If he's mafia, getting him to post a bit more will hopefully help us get a read on him.
Uh huh... *shrugging shoulders shaking head pointing at myself*

@Linkcat
C'mon -- engage us here. We want to see your "sick reads" and hero plays. Clear some town, name some scum, clear yourself, or show your fur.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 21, 2017, 05:02:01 am
Well I'm not really sure what all I can do but for the moment the players who have my attention the most are Link and Kuro for the lack of responses to attempts to get their attention. Personally I'll probably put a vote on one of them tomorrow to try and apply pressure but at the end of the day if its tied theres no lynch right?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 21, 2017, 05:07:05 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 19, 2017, 11:59:35 pm
I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.

LIES.

I know it's nighttime, but here's the thing - Linkcat, you're FGO, and I thought you'd be -somewhat- more aware of what's going on in this mafia, given your superb ambitious techniques and strategies.

Rob, frankly, regardless of whether I die tonight or not, my vote on him was a little of column A, a little of column B:

A in this case represents minor pressure on a classic mafia vet who's always in it to win it (regardless of sides), and had you not posted or had Root participated, I would have probably done something similar to Root/another player.
B then represents how people react to my random toss-up vote, plus I can determine who might try to throw me under the bus when the truth is, with 2 apparent mafia members in a game of 8 players, it becomes a matter of time of who's scumhunting, whose diverting, and who is simply AFK.

If I die, pressure antiaverage immensely, in addition to Linkcat.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 05:16:42 am
Quote from: Kuroaitou on January 21, 2017, 05:07:05 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 19, 2017, 11:59:35 pm
I wasn't paying attention to the timer at all.

LIES.

I know it's nighttime, but here's the thing - Linkcat, you're FGO, and I thought you'd be -somewhat- more aware of what's going on in this mafia, given your superb ambitious techniques and strategies.

Rob, frankly, regardless of whether I die tonight or not, my vote on him was a little of column A, a little of column B:

A in this case represents minor pressure on a classic mafia vet who's always in it to win it (regardless of sides), and had you not posted or had Root participated, I would have probably done something similar to Root/another player.
B then represents how people react to my random toss-up vote, plus I can determine who might try to throw me under the bus when the truth is, with 2 apparent mafia members in a game of 8 players, it becomes a matter of time of who's scumhunting, whose diverting, and who is simply AFK.

If I die, pressure antiaverage immensely, in addition to Linkcat.
Explain how you have basically one post Day 1, park a vote on inactive Link, see a Zailor D1 lynched, and post this with it ending about pressuring aa too? Can you let us in on your thought as to why you brought aa in to it suddenly there?

Also, include discussion about aa/Link as not-w/w or w/w in your opinion.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 21, 2017, 05:29:35 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 05:16:42 am
Explain how you have basically one post Day 1, park a vote on inactive Link, see a Zailor D1 lynched, and post this with it ending about pressuring aa too? Can you let us in on your thought as to why you brought aa in to it suddenly there?

Also, include discussion about aa/Link as not-w/w or w/w in your opinion.

I have one post because honestly... I'm not really feeling this game. :(

There's only 8 players left. I mean, some games are great with fewer, but with a smaller list I feel less inclined to play the game, not to mention I really don't understand the theme (Zailors? Just... what?), so nowadays I end up just coming on the forum, checking for Eldritch related questions/posts, post the new day for that game and then bounce. (I basically entered False God says only forum game to forget about it, but at least Linkcat is ~~~this~~~ much closer to stealing my MoG badge :P )

I parked my vote on an inactive Linkcat because as the actual FGO who seems to have far more activity in the other games (not just Eldritch, mind you), it brings suspicion that he's hiding something at worst, and at best, he feels the same way as I do in regards to this "Low Energy" (tm) game. For the latter, poking him into discussion is far better anyway, since I'm not really doing that much - I'm pretty distracted as is. If it's the former, I have confidence you'll be able to pick up the pieces, since I'm garbage nowadays.

For antiaverage, this post gets me:

Quote from: antiaverage on January 20, 2017, 11:27:32 pm
Quote from: killsdazombies on January 20, 2017, 09:26:08 pm
For the record there are 2 mafia (mutineers) this game. This will be added to the host post shortly

Thanks, that's a big help

Before I even read your response rob, this blanket statement seems like a neutral-town lean, but the truth is that I read that slightly sarcastically that antiaverage [should he be muhfia] was appreciative of the host clarifying how many members there are in his team (which is not that many). It could just be a off remark, partial shitposting, or something else, but that to me really stood out as abnormal. Of course, that's the only thing I'm able to give at this point in time, since I'm not being very active/helpful otherwise.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 05:34:33 am
Kuro - I'm pretty sure I'll be NK target here N1... Unless Mutineers want to keep trying to hide from me longer.

Find your WIM (Want It More == your "Energy" thing...) and get moving because I suspect you've at least another day and night to play - which if you're Zailor means do some solving stuff too and if you're Mutineer well 'grats on being an active scum I guess?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 21, 2017, 05:36:53 am
ETA on day 2?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 05:42:50 am
Quote from: godisnowonline on January 21, 2017, 05:36:53 am
ETA on day 2?


Timer for Night 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255524/#msg1255524)
(aa - no CLICK HERE from me eh?! ;) )
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 21, 2017, 06:56:48 am
Anyone townreading rob right now is underestimating him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 07:10:23 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 21, 2017, 06:56:48 am
Anyone townreading rob right now is underestimating him.
This might be the towniest post in the game so far.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 07:14:24 am
Link - also, putting some effort into this thing and posting content would go a long way toward helping town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 07:20:22 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 21, 2017, 06:56:48 am
Anyone townreading rob right now is underestimating him.
Left out this too: town-lean for Link not trying to find an easy out to quickly townread me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 21, 2017, 01:55:18 pm
I'll be out of town when the timer ends (birthday party that I didn't realize I had an obligation to attend) so the night will have to end when I return home (likely a couple of hours after the current posted time (I'd estimate 0 gmt))
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 22, 2017, 12:08:27 am
The first night has ended!


The ship rocked quietly in the night, and it was rather uneventful. A small fire did break in out in a narrow section of the lower deck, but the crew seems to be intact. At the very least, they all wrote their names down in the morning roll-call.


The messageboard too, remained quiet


Day 2!


Times Up
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 22, 2017, 12:26:29 am
I'm due for a quick read on all now, so here we go. Also, interesting that no nk. Either one of us blocked it (kudos to you!) or mafia are really inactive.....

d2d - not much to talk about, hasnt acc made a post apart from sign up.
UTA - is active, but found his "let's follow rob cause why not" a bit suspicious. Maybe trying to get into rob's (the other most active player) town read by agreeing to everything. Will have to see a bit more.
Kuro - except from his vote which was unexplained (right?), nothing much again.
anti - Only if i can acc understand his posts...some roleplaying or w/e it was. will try and look carefully in them in morning again.
gino - inactive (explained). Expected to be more active now.
Linkcat - nothing much here again. But i dont think linkcat has been much active in previous mafias in first couple days....so, let's see. He's a good player, so probably wanna keep him for now.0
rob - most active as usual. A bit of suspicion when he decided to switch and pressure vote me with like 14 minutes to go. Will look through his long posts (thanks rob -.-) and see if they are acc of any good content, or is it a maf rob making long posts without any good content.

General: well, with the high number of inactives, its possible that nk was due to inactivity. However, my general rule of thumb is one of the mafia is atleast quite active. Can inactives/ low actives (kuro/d2d/gino/anti/link(?)) speak up a bit?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 01:23:31 am
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 22, 2017, 01:26:50 am
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 22, 2017, 01:40:48 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 01:23:31 am
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan

interesting....reasoning?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 01:51:41 am
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
worldwideweb3 (1)  - UTAlan

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 02:00:56 am
Reasons with your votes please!!!

>.<
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 02:14:48 am
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
Linkcat (1)  - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 22, 2017, 02:22:18 am
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
Linkcat (1)  - UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 02:28:16 am

Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Godisnowonline (1) - UTAlan

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 22, 2017, 02:39:42 am
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Godisnowonline (1) - UTAlan

 Any reason you want my vote off of kuro UTAlan? Kuro hasn't said much at all so rather than drawing it out i figured we may as well start with people who are not participating much. Is there even a role which blocks night kills or did they just fail to send one?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 02:46:58 am
Kuro (1) - Godisnowonline
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 22, 2017, 02:57:57 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 21, 2017, 02:20:14 am
Anything specific you can share as to why you find it helpful enough to post about it now?

I'm just being thankful for information to help calculate odds. I'm not yet sure how else we can figure out who is what. I'm reading through what people are saying so far, but I'm not the best at understanding it without more experience. It's going to help going through a couple votes to start to formulate any strategy. Your long form posts about how you are thinking is a big help, but it's still a bit opaque for me. Text doesn't help, would be nice if we could get everyone in a video chat XD

I figured there would be more RP, though :( And apparently my gut with fabian771 was dead wrong. I'm left doubting myself and wanting to play more slowly now. And no one is really posting the reasonings for voting, which is not how this is meant to be played, right?

Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan

Kuro has only voted and said nothing about that vote. If he isn't going to play, then why keep him aboard? Seems like silence is more suspicious than something we can read in to, so I'm going for Kuro. Seems like we can change votes though if new information comes up before the day is over. Have anything to say Kuro?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 02:59:50 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
No Lynch (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 22, 2017, 03:03:45 am
You've made 6 votes today UTAlan, can we please get some explanation?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 03:04:43 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 03:48:48 am
Obviously UTA was targeted by abated sister ability, right?

Vote once for yes, twice for no.
(That you can only vote)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 03:52:31 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
No Lynch (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 22, 2017, 03:56:17 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 03:48:48 am
Obviously UTA was targeted by abated sister ability, right?

Vote once for yes, twice for no.
(That you can only vote)

Ugh, remind me to memorize the abilities better...

Scarred Sister: (EoR) If the target player would die tonight, instead they lose the ability to post and use abilities, and may only vote
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 03:59:44 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 04:04:40 am
UTA - do you know if it was scared sister who targeted you?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 04:06:44 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (2) - Linkcat, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 04:22:31 am
UTA -

Do you happen to know WHO targetted you?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 04:24:35 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 04:24:40 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (2) - Linkcat, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 22, 2017, 04:30:44 am
Wow. I probably should have read the role list after the game started.

Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

UTA, vote on your top scum, and then on your top town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 04:52:27 am
Good idea Link (I just read them again when I saw UTA only voting nothing else - found Scarred Sister)

dawn having yet to post ONCE since start of the game is a bad look for him.

Actually, voting/lynching a totally inactive 0-poster is something I find not very useful to town -- would be better if Cannoneer shot them. We would not know if they are Zailor or Mutineer (downside) while not having to worry about dawn anymore distracting from game solving (upside).

Unless UTA is faking it I find it almost spewing him clear as Zailor. It seems really long odds that a Mutineer would fake this and also long odds that a Mutineer was hit with it as an active poster. That's my take on that, at least.

Kuro (3) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp
UTAlan (1) - UTAlan

Kuro, get in here and play some more please?!?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 04:52:45 am
Kuro (3) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 22, 2017, 04:53:26 am
Kuro (2) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 05:43:55 am

Kuro (3) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan

fixing votes
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 08:12:20 pm
Too much silence in here for Kuro to be scum, eh? I would expect himself out mutineer bro to make a case in someone else to try to save him... Or maybe the game is so dead they really just haven't noticed??

>.>
Title: Why is nobody posting??
Post by: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 04:49:09 am
Come on people. This is pretty tilting that there is 75% of the game inactive and 48 hours day phases are going 8+ hours without any posts. I'm not exactly a chatty-Kathy and yet I'm WAY out in front in post count? urgh.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 23, 2017, 04:56:19 am
Kuro (4) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 23, 2017, 05:04:28 am
I'm pretty sure Kuro's going to flip town. I'm mainly looking at anti and rob as our scum team right now.

Kuro (4) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp, UTAlan
antiaverage (1) -Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 05:23:52 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 23, 2017, 05:04:28 am
I'm pretty sure Kuro's going to flip town. I'm mainly looking at anti and rob as our scum team right now.

Kuro (4) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp, UTAlan
antiaverage (1) -Linkcat
Why are you pretty sure of that?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:36:49 am
Any reasons there link? Also, Kuro, Dawn, anti, just tell us what you think so far, what your reads are and all. It will be a massive help.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 23, 2017, 01:01:38 pm
Kuro (4) - Godisnowonline, antiaverage, rob77dp, UTAlan
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (1) - Kuroaitou

I suspect antiaverage more than rob/gino, but I'm poking gino just because he was the first to initiate on me. I'm disillusioned doctor btw and I'm just stating this publicly because I'm too distracted by real life things to really focus or scumhunt. Also, I kinda wanted to send this information via message board, but I can't do the roleplaying consistently now (you know how I was like with Nojid/Painweaver), so take that as you will.

If I die, it's okay, since I don't want to fuck up the game via voting power like a previous game... :-[
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 23, 2017, 05:01:56 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:36:49 am
Any reasons there link? Also, Kuro, Dawn, anti, just tell us what you think so far, what your reads are and all. It will be a massive help.

I've already stated my take so far. I don't have much to go on until I play a few rounds and see how the game works. I'm mostly reading and relying on the takes of others right now in the early game. I'm trying not to use that info to sheep, as rob calls it, but when you're new to a game you have to get some experience somehow.

I'm town, but I'd really like to say I'm zailor and go back to RPing. It kinda sucks how much everyone just dropped the theme entirely. What's the point in having a theme if everyone is just going to ignore it? Too much inactivity and a massive lack of RP is really ruining this. And now I'm being suspected by Linkcat and w3 because...? No one has given a reason. Apparently silence is the theme of this game now.

I thought this was going to be a playful RP with game elements. Instead it's just people whining at each other :(

Anyway, I think Kuro has a reasonable response, although if he is lying about his primary role but telling the truth about his officer role, that role is going to just wipe us out later. So I'm not changing my vote because he's still making me nervous.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 05:14:27 pm
not suspecting, just asking to share your thoughts :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 23, 2017, 06:06:20 pm
Kuro (3) - antiaverage, rob77dp, UTAlan
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (1) - Kuroaitou

I initiated on you because i thought you where inactive which you are but I also wanted to try to poke you with a stick so you became more active. Sorry to hear that real life is busy for you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 23, 2017, 06:11:12 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage, rob77dp,
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (2) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 23, 2017, 06:23:54 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage, rob77dp,
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (2) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan

Why am i on the chopping block uta?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 23, 2017, 06:38:14 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage, rob77dp,
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (1) - Kuroaitou
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 23, 2017, 06:38:20 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage, rob77dp,
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (2) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 08:09:43 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (2) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp

UTA -- are you voting here as scumreading gino or just trying to explain to him you can only vote today and nothing else? (1=yes, 2=no - as before)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 23, 2017, 08:10:57 pm
Kuro (1) - antiaverage
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (3) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 23, 2017, 08:47:02 pm
Kuro (2) - antiaverage, godisnowonline
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (3) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp
And now rob is voting on me? Well this is fun. I explained why, you all started a train on him, i back off and you vote on me?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:49:23 pm
Oh, rob is now following UT? Any reason of your own rob?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:49:23 pm
Oh, rob is now following UT? Any reason of your own rob?
Are you going to vote?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 09:16:39 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:49:23 pm
Oh, rob is now following UT? Any reason of your own rob?
Are you going to vote?
So far, the 0-posting-dawn and you are the only ones to not vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 09:43:05 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 09:16:39 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 23, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 23, 2017, 08:49:23 pm
Oh, rob is now following UT? Any reason of your own rob?
Are you going to vote?
So far, the 0-posting-dawn and you are the only ones to not vote.

Funnily enough, i dont find gino scummy. Had he been mafia, he would have defended himself more. dawn is being really weird. I see him in chat a lot of times, but he never posts, so gonnna try and push him.

Kuro (2) - antiaverage, godisnowonline
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
godisnowonline (3) - Kuroaitou, UTAlan, rob77dp
dawn to dusk (1) - worldwideweb3

Also, rob, you haven't acc responded to my query of why your vote is on gino.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 24, 2017, 12:01:43 am
The crew was below deck having supper. The crowd began to die out, and only a small portion of the crew remained. One Zailor nodded to another by the door, and the latch was locked. The few men remaining gathered around godisnowonline. He nervously looked up from his stew, and as he opened his mouth to speak, a fist caught his face. A few minutes later, and a splash off the portside, gino was a Zailor no more.


Gino was a: Loyal Zailor and Bandaged Poissonnier: (1U) Poison a players meal, if they are killed during the night, the person who killed them dies with them, otherwise they die 2 nights from now.

Nightphase Begins!



Night is Over


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 01:06:44 am
We can still post right? just not vote?


Truth is I missed EOD because of work. More truth - there hasn't been enough posting and interaction in the thread so far to reliably read almost anybody. Hard truth - I was strongly considering moving back to Kuro given he basicaly quit in-the-thread and gino sounded genuine.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 24, 2017, 01:33:25 am
yes that is correct


Sorry about the delay, computer decided it was time to update for like 6 hours


Nightphase has started.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 24, 2017, 02:01:03 am
Wow, never saw that coming. Rob didn't want to prove me right, so he went for an easy target who was actually pretty towny. Now he's going to try to push the winning lynch on me or Kuro after killing UTA or w3. He was probably going to ask the Cannoneer to kill dawn too so he could get another zailor out of the way.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:09:15 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 24, 2017, 02:01:03 am
Wow, never saw that coming. Rob didn't want to prove me right, so he went for an easy target who was actually pretty towny. Now he's going to try to push the winning lynch on me or Kuro after killing UTA or w3. He was probably going to ask the Cannoneer to kill dawn too so he could get another zailor out of the way.
How would you know dawn is a Zailor? They have 0-posts. TMI perhaps.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 24, 2017, 02:16:59 am
Because anti is your partner. Also I seriously doubt that dawn would go completely inactive as mafia in a 9 player game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:21:12 am
"Because anti is your partner" doesn't make sense as a response there.

Can you substantiate the claim about dawn's meta being to not be inactive in a game like this if he was Mutineer?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 am
www3 - what was the real point of your vote there on dawn end-of-day 2??
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 02:38:08 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 am
www3 - what was the real point of your vote there on dawn end-of-day 2??

There were two hours left when I voted. Gino and kuro's play both seemed town for me, and with dawn not having said much at all, I decided to put some pressure on him (as I've already mentioned...).

Analysis in about 12 hours' time when I'm back from school.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: godisnowonline on January 24, 2017, 08:10:27 am
RIP Wellp that went poorly. GG
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 02:38:08 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 am
www3 - what was the real point of your vote there on dawn end-of-day 2??

There were two hours left when I voted. Gino and kuro's play both seemed town for me, and with dawn not having said much at all, I decided to put some pressure on him (as I've already mentioned...).

Analysis in about 12 hours' time when I'm back from school.
It looks to me a lot like a throwaway vote though... that is, it could be you knowing not voting might look bad and you didn't want to vote on the others (gino was near death; Kuro would make it the dreaded tie; and ?aa? unsure what to surmise here). Care to respond?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 04:28:05 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 02:38:08 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 am
www3 - what was the real point of your vote there on dawn end-of-day 2??

There were two hours left when I voted. Gino and kuro's play both seemed town for me, and with dawn not having said much at all, I decided to put some pressure on him (as I've already mentioned...).

Analysis in about 12 hours' time when I'm back from school.
It looks to me a lot like a throwaway vote though... that is, it could be you knowing not voting might look bad and you didn't want to vote on the others (gino was near death; Kuro would make it the dreaded tie; and ?aa? unsure what to surmise here). Care to respond?

I already said gino and kuro looked town.....and dawn didn't have any pressure on him till now, so i think he may just be trying to stay under the radar.  As for aa, i didn't have much of an opinion on him. He has posted a bit, but nothing that contributes too much. It was a toss between them honestly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 05:25:17 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 04:28:05 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 02:38:08 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 am
www3 - what was the real point of your vote there on dawn end-of-day 2??

There were two hours left when I voted. Gino and kuro's play both seemed town for me, and with dawn not having said much at all, I decided to put some pressure on him (as I've already mentioned...).

Analysis in about 12 hours' time when I'm back from school.
It looks to me a lot like a throwaway vote though... that is, it could be you knowing not voting might look bad and you didn't want to vote on the others (gino was near death; Kuro would make it the dreaded tie; and ?aa? unsure what to surmise here). Care to respond?

I already said gino and kuro looked town.....and dawn didn't have any pressure on him till now, so i think he may just be trying to stay under the radar.  As for aa, i didn't have much of an opinion on him. He has posted a bit, but nothing that contributes too much. It was a toss between them honestly.
What on earth had gino and has Kuro put forth into this game to get a town-read strong enough you decided you were not voting them?

aa had more content/posts so far that gino/Kuro yet you were able to read gino/Kuro as town but nothing on aa?

Summary: your responses are beginning to take on an air of being contrived and you're moving into scum-read territory. Do better if you're town, keep contriving if you are Mutineer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 05:46:30 pm
gino and kuro would have fought much, much harder had they been scum, imo. Also, aa did roleplay a bit, which made it difficult too. I just get these instincts, they have been right in previous mafias, where i managed to hunt down a mafia or two, through pure instincts. It's easy to feel if one is acting towny or scummy, but idk how to describe it properly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 05:51:41 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 05:46:30 pm
gino and kuro would have fought much, much harder had they been scum, imo. Also, aa did roleplay a bit, which made it difficult too. I just get these instincts, they have been right in previous mafias, where i managed to hunt down a mafia or two, through pure instincts. It's easy to feel if one is acting towny or scummy, but idk how to describe it properly.
Hmmm, what are you instinctively feeling about Link, UTA, and I right now? You mention aa, gino, Kuro, dawn but leave out some other "top" (used very loosely here) posters...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 06:03:10 pm
Honestly, you look scummy but UT thinks you are a  civ, and i think UT is a civ. That's why im slightly confused there. As for link, got neutral vibes on him. Yourself?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 06:24:33 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 06:03:10 pm
Honestly, you look scummy but UT thinks you are a  civ, and i think UT is a civ. That's why im slightly confused there. As for link, got neutral vibes on him. Yourself?
Such little content here to read off of, compared to what I have recently become accustomed to, that I'm finding it difficult to strongly get traction.

However, here is my current state of reads:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 07:02:11 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 06:24:33 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 24, 2017, 06:03:10 pm
Honestly, you look scummy but UT thinks you are a  civ, and i think UT is a civ. That's why im slightly confused there. As for link, got neutral vibes on him. Yourself?
Such little content here to read off of, compared to what I have recently become accustomed to, that I'm finding it difficult to strongly get traction.

However, here is my current state of reads:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3
Clarification: *here = in this game overall (not in your post I quoted)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 26, 2017, 02:02:19 am
Its quiet tonight, the waves splash against the side of the boat peacefully. The plume of smoke and flames erupting from D2d's room quickly ended that peace. By the time the crew could calm the flames, there was nothing left of Dawn, but ash and dust. Fortunately for the mutineers, a fire on a boat is a tremendous amount of noise and chaos. In fact, not a soul noticed kuros absence, but later that night, a few did notice the now dead kuro hanging from ceiling in the Doctors Quarters.


D2D is Ash and Dust


Kuro was a Loyal Zailor and Disillusioned Doctor: (Passive) Gain .5 Vote Power every time someone is lynched.


MessageBoard:
Arrrr! Ya thought ye could silence me? Ye can cut out me tongue, but I still know how to write, ya pox faced blowfish.


So ye all know I'm no mutineer now, so that be swell. But just 'cause the scarred sister is known to all the Zailors don't mean I know any more than any of you, ye worm riddled rapscallions. Ye still gotta do the thinkin' on your own, too.


If the Zailor known as "Linkcat" is right about N1's NK, I be inclined to agree with him. anti seems a bit off his rocker, too, so don't think that just 'cause he sounds like a Zailor that he can't be a mutineer, too.


If I survive to see another bloody sunrise, lemme know if ye have any questions I can answer on the bulletin board in the morrow. But so far my reads have been scurvy infested, so git to it on your own, ye mermaid marrying galley slaves.


- The only confirmed Zailor


Crew Status

2: worldwideweb3
3: UTAlan
6: antiaverage
8: Linkcat
9: rob77dp


The Day is Over
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:07:18 am
So, still alive are:

rob
UTA

aa
Link

www3

It is now LYLO (LYnch or LOse). That is, if we do not lynch correctly on a Mutineer game over fellas.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:07:58 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:07:18 am
So, still alive are:

rob
UTA

aa
Link

www3

It is now LYLO (LYnch or LOse). That is, if we do not lynch correctly on a Mutineer game over fellas.
Ohhhh, that is unless dawn was a Mutineer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 26, 2017, 02:13:19 am
or that was just a massive slip from you, Mr Irrepressible Cannoneer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:14:39 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 26, 2017, 02:13:19 am
or that was just a massive slip from you, Mr Irrepressible Cannoneer.
Huh? Dawn's alignment is not revealed in the flavor / end-of-night summary...?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 26, 2017, 02:14:59 am
antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: antiaverage on January 26, 2017, 02:18:11 am
Great writing on the bulletin board! Yay for great flavor!

I'm a zailor, please no lynch me uta :(

So sounds like d2d might have been scum all along? Do we not get to know for some reason since he's now a pile of ash?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 26, 2017, 02:19:30 am
Also, with Nacreous Survivor: (EoR): All targeting effects have no effect when targeting you this round and Sigil-Eaten Navigator: (EoR) Target cannot use their ability or send in the night kill. They are not informed of this ability use. still in play (i think), we still have a good chance. Not a towny rob im feeling here....

rob, i was reffering to you. You are the cannoneer that killed d2d, right? And you obviously knew he was a civvy too, right? Hence that LYLO slipup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:23:42 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 26, 2017, 02:19:30 am
Also, with Nacreous Survivor: (EoR): All targeting effects have no effect when targeting you this round and Sigil-Eaten Navigator: (EoR) Target cannot use their ability or send in the night kill. They are not informed of this ability use. still in play (i think), we still have a good chance. Not a towny rob im feeling here....

rob, i was reffering to you. You are the cannoneer that killed d2d, right? And you obviously knew he was a civvy too, right? Hence that LYLO slipup.
No, I think it is LYLO either way scum!dawn or town!dawn... isn't it? I have no way of knowing dawn's alignment.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:25:11 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 24, 2017, 02:09:15 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 24, 2017, 02:01:03 am
Wow, never saw that coming. Rob didn't want to prove me right, so he went for an easy target who was actually pretty towny. Now he's going to try to push the winning lynch on me or Kuro after killing UTA or w3. He was probably going to ask the Cannoneer to kill dawn too so he could get another zailor out of the way.
How would you know dawn is a Zailor? They have 0-posts. TMI perhaps.
THIS I think was a slip-up, by Link.

antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (1) - rob77dp
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 02:42:53 am
By the way, UTA, I am 99% sure you are town (based on how Scarred Sister works). If we do not vote the same player today then the two scum (I have reason to suspect dawn was town) can control the lynch no matter how the third (_probably_ 3 Zailors alive right now) Zailor votes.
Title: aa should come read the mafia 66 game topic
Post by: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 05:40:31 am
I really think Link slipped earlier on his post to me about dawn... Curious what the rest have to say about this:

@aa
@Link
@UTA
@www3

I have Mutineer suspicions on three of you and am voting on of those suspicions. Get back to me. Zailors gotta get the peg out of their leg and slide the patch to the back and see clearly soon.
Title: Re: aa should come read the mafia 66 game topic
Post by: antiaverage on January 26, 2017, 06:57:28 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 26, 2017, 05:40:31 am
I really think Link slipped earlier on his post to me about dawn... Curious what the rest have to say about this:

@aa
@Link
@UTA
@www3

I have Mutineer suspicions on three of you and am voting on of those suspicions. Get back to me. Zailors gotta get the peg out of their leg and slide the patch to the back and see clearly soon.

My gut right now:

UTA
rob

ww3
Link <-- this would have been higher, but the quote you pointed out is like the stink of old grog on the back of a loud belch. I don't want to seem like a sheep, but that's pretty strong evidence after what happened last night. So at this point I'm thinking ww3 and Link are scum.

antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 26, 2017, 08:39:29 am
Alright, rob is pretty clearly mafia here. He's hung up on my "slip" that was clearly made in the context of the rob/aa team, when he knows I wouldn't make a mistake like that.  He's ignoring most of what I'm saying, trying to dismiss my comments as just Linkcat being Linkcat by not addressing them, because I haven't been super active this game. If rob was town he would try to convince me he was town, to avoid having another civ/civ fight between us ruin the game.

antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

The main reason I'm voting on rob is because I know that after making the rounds through MU, there's no way that this is his LyLo vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:34:14 am
hmm, tbh, i see more slip ups from rob than link. The Lylo one, assuming dawn is town himself. Also, rob, why did you acc kill dawn?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 01:37:26 am
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
rob77dp (2) - Linkcat, UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:41:54 am
UTA - we're the only two I can fully trust as town right now. PLEASE explain the vote. You can talk now again I'm pretty sure. Right?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:42:38 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:41:54 am
UTA - we're the only two I can fully trust as town right now. PLEASE explain the vote. You can talk now again I'm pretty sure. Right?
Whelp, OP double-check == nope he is done except voting rest of game. >.<
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:46:42 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:34:14 am
hmm, tbh, i see more slip ups from rob than link. The Lylo one, assuming dawn is town himself. Also, rob, why did you acc kill dawn?
I eliminated a 0-posting town distraction that was a fair chance to be scum. The fact dawn was never pushed for a lynch speaks to me like a scum buddy who cannot push the low-posters because his buddy is a low poster.

This forum is lurk-lynch happy and you can review and see it never happened this game, at least never aimed at dawn.

I softed I would zap dawn before doing it and my reasoning was thought process beginning to see 0-posting as a huge distraction and nobody ever subs around here so we would be stuck with a 0-poster the whole game. LAME.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:48:36 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 26, 2017, 08:39:29 am
Alright, rob is pretty clearly mafia here. He's hung up on my "slip" that was clearly made in the context of the rob/aa team, when he knows I wouldn't make a mistake like that.  He's ignoring most of what I'm saying, trying to dismiss my comments as just Linkcat being Linkcat by not addressing them, because I haven't been super active this game. If rob was town he would try to convince me he was town, to avoid having another civ/civ fight between us ruin the game.

antiaverage (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

The main reason I'm voting on rob is because I know that after making the rounds through MU, there's no way that this is his LyLo vote.
Link, this bad, here.

You justified your vote, then voted, and then justify it more? Are you afraid nobody will believe your contrived case on me? Also, it is false as can be because I have never, to my recollection, been at MYLO on MU so trying to woooo the other players here into some false sense of mystery about me rings very hollow.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
That is middle-road null. Straight null. Absolutely null. That is neither high at all nor low at all. What do you mean dawn is "high" in my list?!?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:57:54 am
Link, if you're Zailor somehow here, I am feeling pretty strong that aa is Mutineer here. Your thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 02:03:14 am
FYI to other Zailors out there... UTA is 99.9% lock Zailor status right now. Check the OP. Only two ways to night kill that could have happened this game. Those are Mutineer NK and Cannoneer. I used Cannoneer last night phase which means UTA could only have been affected by Scarred Sister if he was the NK target. Mutineers cannot target themselves.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 03:09:29 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
That is middle-road null. Straight null. Absolutely null. That is neither high at all nor low at all. What do you mean dawn is "high" in my list?!?

There were 3 more people who you thought to be mafia. So, why pick dawn over them?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 05:13:23 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 03:09:29 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
That is middle-road null. Straight null. Absolutely null. That is neither high at all nor low at all. What do you mean dawn is "high" in my list?!?

There were 3 more people who you thought to be mafia. So, why pick dawn over them?
You're not even reading the thread if you are asking this. I already stated why I shot dawn. NO WAY would Mutineers ever shoot dawn if he was even Zailor. On this forum 0-posters are EASY low hanging fruit for mislynch targets. I know - I've been Mutineer/wolf with you before www3 and we never even considered having to take out the low posters with night killing power. That is a Zailor move every day of the week.

If people playing the game are paying attention, UTA is basically 99.9% clear as a Zailor and I should be pretty clear too.

The lynch today should always be between aa, www3, and Link.

UTA - please read this... what are you doing voting me?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 27, 2017, 09:26:13 am
Okay, rob and w3 are different alignments. Therefore, there is only one logical move.

Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
rob77dp (1) - UTAlan
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 04:18:13 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 05:13:23 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 03:09:29 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
That is middle-road null. Straight null. Absolutely null. That is neither high at all nor low at all. What do you mean dawn is "high" in my list?!?

There were 3 more people who you thought to be mafia. So, why pick dawn over them?
You're not even reading the thread if you are asking this. I already stated why I shot dawn. NO WAY would Mutineers ever shoot dawn if he was even Zailor. On this forum 0-posters are EASY low hanging fruit for mislynch targets. I know - I've been Mutineer/wolf with you before www3 and we never even considered having to take out the low posters with night killing power. That is a Zailor move every day of the week.

If people playing the game are paying attention, UTA is basically 99.9% clear as a Zailor and I should be pretty clear too.

The lynch today should always be between aa, www3, and Link.

UTA - please read this... what are you doing voting me?

hmm, i can see that reasoning now, but in no way does that clear you. There have been a lot of slip ups from you, in my opinion. The mafia team is rob/anti, imo. Willing to drop vote on either of them, so will wait to see what link/UT have to say.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 05:59:32 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 04:18:13 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 05:13:23 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 03:09:29 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 01:53:47 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 01:49:55 am
www3 - you should put down a vote too instead of just shade. Right now, it looks a LOT like you being hesitant to tip your scum-hand too early by voting with your buddy because there is no majority day-end here.

I want to hear the reasoning before putting my vote down. Hence why im questioning. I look at your reads from before:
rob
UTA

Kuro

dawn

aa
Link

www3

Here, dawn is pretty high, which is what confuses me with your decision to canon him.
That is middle-road null. Straight null. Absolutely null. That is neither high at all nor low at all. What do you mean dawn is "high" in my list?!?

There were 3 more people who you thought to be mafia. So, why pick dawn over them?
You're not even reading the thread if you are asking this. I already stated why I shot dawn. NO WAY would Mutineers ever shoot dawn if he was even Zailor. On this forum 0-posters are EASY low hanging fruit for mislynch targets. I know - I've been Mutineer/wolf with you before www3 and we never even considered having to take out the low posters with night killing power. That is a Zailor move every day of the week.

If people playing the game are paying attention, UTA is basically 99.9% clear as a Zailor and I should be pretty clear too.

The lynch today should always be between aa, www3, and Link.

UTA - please read this... what are you doing voting me?

hmm, i can see that reasoning now, but in no way does that clear you. There have been a lot of slip ups from you, in my opinion. The mafia team is rob/anti, imo. Willing to drop vote on either of them, so will wait to see what link/UT have to say.
Link is already voting aa right now. Are you still afraid to align your vote with Link? So far in the last day you have shaded me without a vote (where Link was voting at the time) and now shading aa without a vote (where Link is voting at the time). What gives?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 06:00:10 pm
www3 -

Come on now, what are you waiting to hear from Link or aa? You've treated me differently all game than those two. Why? Are you reading either of them as Zailors????
Title: UTA - you really need to review
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 06:21:28 pm
UTA,
[/glow]
Please please please review what I've posted this day phase. If we don't vote together the game is very nearly a lost cause from my POV.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 06:28:58 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 06:00:10 pm
www3 -

Come on now, what are you waiting to hear from Link or aa? You've treated me differently all game than those two. Why? Are you reading either of them as Zailors????

I said link or UT. You and anti are mafia imo, and i wanted to know who link/ut feel strong about. Right now, i'll go with UT as he's the most confirmed civ.


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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 06:32:14 pm
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:10:02 pm
Hmmm, I think where www3 decides to move his vote is very telling in his next move.

Not moving it and leaving it a tie is bad Zailor play. If www3 is Zailor he should move his vote. If he is Mutineer he wants to play/act like Zailor so will still move his vote.

The decision now for Zailor!www3 is which players is most likely Mutineer and to vote that player.

The decision now for Mutineer!www3 would be to bus his partner Mutineer (vote a partner = bus) for cred _or_ to vote -with- his partner and risk outing his Mutineer crew.

Alternatively, one option would be, www3, to make a strong enough case on either UTA or myself to convince a majority to vote there. Anybody paying attention to mechanics and mechanically-cleared Zailor!UTA's vote switch should see this.

TL;DR-
UTA is mechanically cleared.
Zailor!UTA seems convinced there is no solid case on me.
I presented a yet-to-be-refuted case on that I believe 75/80% clears me largely based on mechanics.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:27:23 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:10:02 pm
Hmmm, I think where www3 decides to move his vote is very telling in his next move.

Not moving it and leaving it a tie is bad Zailor play. If www3 is Zailor he should move his vote. If he is Mutineer he wants to play/act like Zailor so will still move his vote.

The decision now for Zailor!www3 is which players is most likely Mutineer and to vote that player.

The decision now for Mutineer!www3 would be to bus his partner Mutineer (vote a partner = bus) for cred _or_ to vote -with- his partner and risk outing his Mutineer crew.

Alternatively, one option would be, www3, to make a strong enough case on either UTA or myself to convince a majority to vote there. Anybody paying attention to mechanics and mechanically-cleared Zailor!UTA's vote switch should see this.

TL;DR-
UTA is mechanically cleared.
Zailor!UTA seems convinced there is no solid case on me.
I presented a yet-to-be-refuted case on that I believe 75/80% clears me largely based on mechanics.

1. Dont assume UT is convinced. Stop making assumptions of what other people think. Last i know, his vote was on you before he moved.
2. There is no case that clears you. If anything, there are a lot of things that put you in the scummy area.

And again, with this post, you present yourself to be scummy. Surely, you would have waited on my move and then said what you thought zailor me/muti me would do. That tl;dr is also again awfully bad (except from #1, which is already accepted by everyone that theres no need to keep going on about it). So yh, that post confirms my suspicion on you, and will keep my vote there (unless we stay at a draw by the time and i have to move it then). Hopefully UT/link listen to me here...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:38:35 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:27:23 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:10:02 pm
Hmmm, I think where www3 decides to move his vote is very telling in his next move.

Not moving it and leaving it a tie is bad Zailor play. If www3 is Zailor he should move his vote. If he is Mutineer he wants to play/act like Zailor so will still move his vote.

The decision now for Zailor!www3 is which players is most likely Mutineer and to vote that player.

The decision now for Mutineer!www3 would be to bus his partner Mutineer (vote a partner = bus) for cred _or_ to vote -with- his partner and risk outing his Mutineer crew.

Alternatively, one option would be, www3, to make a strong enough case on either UTA or myself to convince a majority to vote there. Anybody paying attention to mechanics and mechanically-cleared Zailor!UTA's vote switch should see this.

TL;DR-
UTA is mechanically cleared.
Zailor!UTA seems convinced there is no solid case on me.
I presented a yet-to-be-refuted case on that I believe 75/80% clears me largely based on mechanics.

1. Dont assume UT is convinced. Stop making assumptions of what other people think. Last i know, his vote was on you before he moved.
2. There is no case that clears you. If anything, there are a lot of things that put you in the scummy area.

And again, with this post, you present yourself to be scummy. Surely, you would have waited on my move and then said what you thought zailor me/muti me would do. That tl;dr is also again awfully bad (except from #1, which is already accepted by everyone that theres no need to keep going on about it). So yh, that post confirms my suspicion on you, and will keep my vote there (unless we stay at a draw by the time and i have to move it then). Hopefully UT/link listen to me here...
Oh come now...

1. We _have_ to assume what UTA is thinking because he cannot post his own thoughts. Your point invalidated.

2. My case DEFINITELY clears me to me. Even without a case I am clear to me. My case on me is somewhat clearing to others. Averaged together is where I landed at. Your point invalidated.

No, if I wait you don't post or move until WAY too late in the day to get things done with EOD looming. This site is VERY slow in these games so your idea of waiting I also had but nixed because that is a scum move to wait until EOD on purpose. Your point invalidated.

You are now "sure" about me but then hedge that into oblivion.

Also, when you move your vote make sure to put explanation with it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:21 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Get out with "why didn't vote [my]self". I can think of ONLY one case I would ever vote myself. This is not it. Self-voting is trashy play.

The case is WHY WOULD Mutineer!rob pre-soft (that is, indicate in the thread) upcoming night-shooting a player and then do it and then come out and claim it? NEVER happens. If I did that then I would have played scum-game of the year. Is that what you're saying you believe? That I softed/hinted an upcoming shot, then took that exact shot, and then claimed it in the thread as Mutineer?

fry.gif

If you are Zailor then I really think you need to re-evaluate your read on the game right now.

Mutineer(s) are among aa/www3/Link so if YOU (www3) are Zailor from your POV seriously consider a world of aa/Link together or separate as the bad guys.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:47 pm
Of course I never meant any Italic there.

EBWOP - ignore italicisizing there.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:02:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:21 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Get out with "why didn't vote [my]self". I can think of ONLY one case I would ever vote myself. This is not it. Self-voting is trashy play.

The case is WHY WOULD Mutineer!rob pre-soft (that is, indicate in the thread) upcoming night-shooting a player and then do it and then come out and claim it? NEVER happens. If I did that then I would have played scum-game of the year. Is that what you're saying you believe? That I softed/hinted an upcoming shot, then took that exact shot, and then claimed it in the thread as Mutineer?

fry.gif

If you are Zailor then I really think you need to re-evaluate your read on the game right now.

Mutineer(s) are among aa/www3/Link so if YOU (www3) are Zailor from your POV seriously consider a world of aa/Link together or separate as the bad guys.

You didnt claim you killed dawn. I said that you did.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:06:35 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:02:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:21 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Get out with "why didn't vote [my]self". I can think of ONLY one case I would ever vote myself. This is not it. Self-voting is trashy play.

The case is WHY WOULD Mutineer!rob pre-soft (that is, indicate in the thread) upcoming night-shooting a player and then do it and then come out and claim it? NEVER happens. If I did that then I would have played scum-game of the year. Is that what you're saying you believe? That I softed/hinted an upcoming shot, then took that exact shot, and then claimed it in the thread as Mutineer?

fry.gif

If you are Zailor then I really think you need to re-evaluate your read on the game right now.

Mutineer(s) are among aa/www3/Link so if YOU (www3) are Zailor from your POV seriously consider a world of aa/Link together or separate as the bad guys.

You didnt claim you killed dawn. I said that you did.
I'll give you 30 minutes to re-read the game and my posts. I pre-hinted (softed) the kill on dawn before it ever happened.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:12:02 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:06:35 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:02:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:21 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Get out with "why didn't vote [my]self". I can think of ONLY one case I would ever vote myself. This is not it. Self-voting is trashy play.

The case is WHY WOULD Mutineer!rob pre-soft (that is, indicate in the thread) upcoming night-shooting a player and then do it and then come out and claim it? NEVER happens. If I did that then I would have played scum-game of the year. Is that what you're saying you believe? That I softed/hinted an upcoming shot, then took that exact shot, and then claimed it in the thread as Mutineer?

fry.gif

If you are Zailor then I really think you need to re-evaluate your read on the game right now.

Mutineer(s) are among aa/www3/Link so if YOU (www3) are Zailor from your POV seriously consider a world of aa/Link together or separate as the bad guys.

You didnt claim you killed dawn. I said that you did.
I'll give you 30 minutes to re-read the game and my posts. I pre-hinted (softed) the kill on dawn before it ever happened.

Sorry but i'll not be re-reading the entire game. I have to leave really early tomorrow for my uni interview (for which im preparing atm). Hope you understand.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:15:54 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:12:02 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:06:35 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:02:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 07:54:21 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:48 pm
lol. Why didnt you vote yourself when UT voted on you. Lol, pls rob, stop being silly here now.
Lol, doesnt matter if your "case" clears to you. That doesn't matter at all. And again, stop assuming if others think its clear or not. I dont even see a half decent case.

Checking deadline, we got about 6 hours. I'll vote in next couple if its still a draw (mainly waiting on what link has to say)
Get out with "why didn't vote [my]self". I can think of ONLY one case I would ever vote myself. This is not it. Self-voting is trashy play.

The case is WHY WOULD Mutineer!rob pre-soft (that is, indicate in the thread) upcoming night-shooting a player and then do it and then come out and claim it? NEVER happens. If I did that then I would have played scum-game of the year. Is that what you're saying you believe? That I softed/hinted an upcoming shot, then took that exact shot, and then claimed it in the thread as Mutineer?

fry.gif

If you are Zailor then I really think you need to re-evaluate your read on the game right now.

Mutineer(s) are among aa/www3/Link so if YOU (www3) are Zailor from your POV seriously consider a world of aa/Link together or separate as the bad guys.

You didnt claim you killed dawn. I said that you did.
I'll give you 30 minutes to re-read the game and my posts. I pre-hinted (softed) the kill on dawn before it ever happened.

Sorry but i'll not be re-reading the entire game. I have to leave really early tomorrow for my uni interview (for which im preparing atm). Hope you understand.
I get it, and I figured this result.

Here it is for you: rob softing future shot on dawn (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255698/#msg1255698)

Or in quote form:
Quote from: rob77dp on January 22, 2017, 04:52:27 am
Good idea Link (I just read them again when I saw UTA only voting nothing else - found Scarred Sister)

dawn having yet to post ONCE since start of the game is a bad look for him.

Actually, voting/lynching a totally inactive 0-poster is something I find not very useful to town -- would be better if Cannoneer shot them. We would not know if they are Zailor or Mutineer (downside) while not having to worry about dawn anymore distracting from game solving (upside).

Unless UTA is faking it I find it almost spewing him clear as Zailor. It seems really long odds that a Mutineer would fake this and also long odds that a Mutineer was hit with it as an active poster. That's my take on that, at least.

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:21:09 pm
hmm, ok, you said before killing him. I'll move my vote to anti for now, and try and re-read yours and link's stuff when i can. That claim doesn't, though, make you all clear. It removes one reason for my suspicion.

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 08:23:14 pm
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:25:26 pm
Quote from: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 08:23:14 pm
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UTA - will you be here EOD? (1 = yes, 2 = no)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 08:30:38 pm
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
www3 -

What is the basis of your Zailor-read on Link right now which is strong enough you want to vote where he is and to wait for his singular opinion of game-state and where to vote?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:36:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
www3 -

What is the basis of your Zailor-read on Link right now which is strong enough you want to vote where he is and to wait for his singular opinion of game-state and where to vote?

I'm not following link. I did say that you/anti were the mafia pair for me. But suspicion for you has slightly gone down, hence i changed my vote to anti. anti is more scummy than link atm, due to lack of contributions.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:00:51 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:36:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
www3 -

What is the basis of your Zailor-read on Link right now which is strong enough you want to vote where he is and to wait for his singular opinion of game-state and where to vote?

I'm not following link. I did say that you/anti were the mafia pair for me. But suspicion for you has slightly gone down, hence i changed my vote to anti. anti is more scummy than link atm, due to lack of contributions.
If lack of contribution is scummy on its own then why are you not liking the shot on dawn?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 09:03:50 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:00:51 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:36:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
www3 -

What is the basis of your Zailor-read on Link right now which is strong enough you want to vote where he is and to wait for his singular opinion of game-state and where to vote?

I'm not following link. I did say that you/anti were the mafia pair for me. But suspicion for you has slightly gone down, hence i changed my vote to anti. anti is more scummy than link atm, due to lack of contributions.
If lack of contribution is scummy on its own then why are you not liking the shot on dawn?

I should have pointed out lack of useful contribution. anti posts but not much is useful. Also, because there were people you thought to be more scummy than dawn, so that was another issue for me. I still dont agree that it was the right move, but i cant use that as a concrete case for you to be mafia as you did say it before using it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:08:44 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 09:03:50 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:00:51 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 08:36:15 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
www3 -

What is the basis of your Zailor-read on Link right now which is strong enough you want to vote where he is and to wait for his singular opinion of game-state and where to vote?

I'm not following link. I did say that you/anti were the mafia pair for me. But suspicion for you has slightly gone down, hence i changed my vote to anti. anti is more scummy than link atm, due to lack of contributions.
If lack of contribution is scummy on its own then why are you not liking the shot on dawn?

I should have pointed out lack of useful contribution. anti posts but not much is useful. Also, because there were people you thought to be more scummy than dawn, so that was another issue for me. I still dont agree that it was the right move, but i cant use that as a concrete case for you to be mafia as you did say it before using it.
Had I shot somebody more active than dawn (i.e. - anyone else) it would have meant we still have to deal with or somehow "read" a 0-poster later. Let's be clear here - I did not shoot dawn because I thought he was surely scum or that I was nailing a Mutineer. I may have shot a Mutineer. I mostly shot dawn to clear out a player that was going to almost surely hamper Zailor loyalty to solving the murder/case.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:10:00 pm
Also, you seem pretty convinced Link is going to come here before EOD (I'm not convinced of that...) and also that the case he makes is going to be against somebody that is not you...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 09:14:07 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:10:00 pm
Also, you seem pretty convinced Link is going to come here before EOD (I'm not convinced of that...) and also that the case he makes is going to be against somebody that is not you...

I'm just trusting link to be a good mafia vet, and as one, to be present here and post stuff. You and link are both experienced, and you are already active, so im hoping link is too and trusting that he does speak up. It's same as how you would expect me to be here eod, and i would expect you to be here as well.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:30:02 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 09:14:07 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 09:10:00 pm
Also, you seem pretty convinced Link is going to come here before EOD (I'm not convinced of that...) and also that the case he makes is going to be against somebody that is not you...

I'm just trusting link to be a good mafia vet, and as one, to be present here and post stuff. You and link are both experienced, and you are already active, so im hoping link is too and trusting that he does speak up. It's same as how you would expect me to be here eod, and i would expect you to be here as well.
Well, I hope to be here - 75% chance I am and most likely that would be via mobile/phone posting...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 10:05:39 pm
I was thinking on my drive home... The way I see aa being discouraged by the somewhat low level of role playing in the game is if he was also not winning and without a teammate with which to be jovial in Mutineer Private Chat. I am skeptical that aa is mutineer this game. Also, similar reasoning makes me skeptical that dawn was mutineer because I find it more likely a town!dawn went awol than scum!dawn.

It is conjecture and a bit of guesswork but I feel pretty good about thinking the mutineers are www3 and Link. I have one other tinfoil-hat level conspiracy idea but I really want to see how my Zailor read aa and lock clear uta receive this first.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 10:06:20 pm
Nap time for a bit now folks.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 10:14:43 pm
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 27, 2017, 10:18:37 pm
Quote from: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 10:14:43 pm
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UTA, don't throw the game here man. You and I CANNOT vote each other and have the lynch go I favor of Zailors. I know my alignment and am lock clearing you so I can only say this, we HAVE to avoid voting each other because you voting me ends with mutineers going ham about mIslynching me.

(Now to ignore forum email notices so to be able to nap)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 10:49:12 pm
I'll be going to sleep in a bit. UT - i need to know how strong you feel about everyone. Could you put the votes in order of how strong you feel they are maf? Just for the sake of this, i'll put my vote on rob, so UT can then make a vote post with voting on me so he can include all 4 of us on the list. Top - most likely to be mafia, bottom - least likely to be maf

Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
rob77dp (2) - UTAlan, worldwideweb3
Title: UTA HURRY UP
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 11:24:13 pm
:)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 11:44:28 pm
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3
antiaverage (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
worldwideweb3 (1) - UTAlan
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 11:44:58 pm
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (2) - Linkcat, UTAlan
rob77dp (1) - worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
 UT does agree with me on a anti/rob team. And with link not coming online, he has to vote on anti to carry out a lynch. Got ya, UT. Now off to sleep.

Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 27, 2017, 11:50:35 pm
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 12:35:03 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 27, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
UT does agree with me on a anti/rob team. And with link not coming online, he has to vote on anti to carry out a lynch. Got ya, UT. Now off to sleep.

Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3
then uta is 1/2 at best and probably 0/2.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 01:44:42 am
This is going to be tilting af if this is a mislynch and blows it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 01:57:16 am
worldwideweb3 (1) - rob77dp
Linkcat (1) - antiaverage
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3

Uta vote with me here,I just don't think aa is mutineer... I'll go away forever I'd you vote with me and both www3 and Link end up Zailor
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 01:58:50 am

Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, antiaverage
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 01:59:28 am
Ebwop
Linkcat (2) - antiaverage, rob77dp
antiaverage (3) - Linkcat, UTAlan, worldwideweb3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 28, 2017, 02:05:15 am
Extended due to vote within 5 minutes. This cuts a bit weird into my schedule, so I might not be here to end the night exactly on time, but if a vote occurs and another one does not occur within 5 minutes and 59 second (a full minute of leeway) the day is over at that point, and future votes will be discarded. This assumes votes are continued. Also, someone other than the person who last extended the timer can extend it.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 28, 2017, 02:05:38 am
Well that 5 minutes ends pretty soon actually so
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 28, 2017, 02:14:02 am
Right so, day end


Anti was wandering around the deck, grog in either hand, shouting and dancing about. Thats when the dwindling crew gathered. The singing stopped as they blocked his danced along path. He smirked and held forward his grog "Care for a taste mates?" A zailor behind him drew his pistol from under his coat and shot anti in the back. They then pushed the severely wounded Anti overboard. A Zailor coughs into a handkerchief and mutters "One down, one to go."


 AntiAverage was a Mutineer and the Carnelian Exile: (Passive) You may also vote via PM to the host (Replaces in thread votes)


Night is Over




Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 02:29:28 am
One of link or www3 is the last mutineer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 03:08:20 am
Rob was a true desperate mafia at the end there. GG.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 03:56:00 am
How the _447:/&&5778++)#!$$ can you not see that as a mutineer I would never get that desperate and out myself like that when as mutineer I would have known aa was going to flip mutineer?

I removed a Zailor distraction from the game in a way no mutineer would. I would never hint at and then reveal that I did it of I was mutineer.

The decision that we need to be considering right now is if it is link or www3. You have pretty much done absolutely nothing this whole game and want to get to throw your weight around now? I call bs.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 04:43:29 am
You should be more worried about explaining why you are the only one who didn't vote on the mafia we just lynched, and why you voted with that mafia on the one who led his lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 05:07:56 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 04:43:29 am
You should be more worried about explaining why you are the only one who didn't vote on the mafia we just lynched, and why you voted with that mafia on the one who led his lynch.
you're being obtuse. I explained all my votes already and this is just you shading me and ignoring or not reading the thread, which is all mutineer behavior.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 05:33:14 am
Don't worry rob, I'm going to win this game for town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 05:41:44 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 05:33:14 am
Don't worry rob, I'm going to win this game for town.
final mutineer is between link and www3.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
lol rob, so you again decided to have a go at me after i fell asleep. 
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:32:26 pm
One if you two is being obtuse and going to lose if I am not killed tonight and votes me tomorrow. Quote frankly, I've avoided appeal to emotion mostly but you are ignoring obvious cases and evidence. One of you on purpose and the other by WHO KNOWS WHY. Consider the beginning of appeal to emotion because there is no more case to be made other than what I've already done.

Both have inside viewed me as the bad faction in mafia before so one should rightly know this isn't it and the other has known from the start and is ignoring it on purpose.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
lol rob, so you again decided to have a go at me after i fell asleep.
your bed time had nothing to do with alignment our my play on this game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:34:41 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
lol rob, so you again decided to have a go at me after i fell asleep.
your bed time had nothing to do with alignment or my play in this game.
autocorrect corrections
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:34:55 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
lol rob, so you again decided to have a go at me after i fell asleep.
your bed time had nothing to do with alignment our my play on this game.

But its twice now you decided to make a move on me right at eod XD
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:44:01 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:34:55 pm
Quote from: rob77dp on January 28, 2017, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 28, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
lol rob, so you again decided to have a go at me after i fell asleep.
your bed time had nothing to do with alignment our my play on this game.

But its twice now you decided to make a move on me right at eod XD
Please consider my previous response on this as repeated here.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 30, 2017, 02:10:37 am
The ship has never been more quiet. Then again, there have never been so few people on it. Linkcat sat in his room, waiting. He could hear the footsteps outside his door. He knew his time was up. There was a sharp knock on the door. Linkcat breathed in, and walked to the door. As he took the doorknob a shot rang through the door, linkcat shuttered and fell to the ground.


www3 then moved from linkcats room to robs, he knew had to act fast, as he burst into the room, he found his job slightly simpler. Rob was already dead, blood leaked from his mouth. www3 gave him a look over, it seemed poison had given him a head start tonight. He moved onto to UTA, to finish what he started all those nights ago.


Games over!


Rob died from being poisoned a few nights ago, via the poisoneer


Linkcat was the nightkill target

www3 and anti were the mutineers

Log will follow
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 02:15:57 am
RIP guys, well played all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 30, 2017, 02:25:55 am
D2d: a Loyal Zailor, and the Sigil-Eaten Navigator


www3: a mutineer and the Magician


AntiAverage: a mutineer and the Carnelian Exile


UTA: a Loyal Zailor (Town) and Scarred Sister


Fabian: a Loyal Zailor and Maybe’s Rival


Kuroitou: a Loyal Zailor and Disillusioned Doctor


Gino: a Loyal Zailor and Bandaged Poissonnier


Linkcat: a Loyal Zailor and Nacreous Survivor


Rob: a Loyal Zailor and Irrepressible Cannoneer






So, right off the bat, anti was only joking about playing, so props to him for sticking to it even though he mostly got roped into it :P


Night 1: Uta Used the sister role on himself, a standard day 1 doctor move.
WWW3 ID'd Linkcat and killed UTA (Or at least tried)
Gino Poisoned Rob (2 night from now)


Night 2: Rob exploded Dawn.
Linkcat hid himself
WWW3 Nightkilled Kuro, and ID'd Rob
UTA made a post for the message board


Night 3: www3 Killed Linkcat
Rob choked on his poison
UTA made a HUGE POST to post on the message board, and has led to a future suggestion that message board messages are limited in size. If he wants to post, hes more than welcome to but it was massive
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 02:30:18 am
Looking forward to the huge UT messageboard post.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 02:38:35 am
The sad part about this is that I actually had w3 pegged as the last mafia. You might have noticed the following post looked out of place:

Quote from: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 05:33:14 am
Don't worry rob, I'm going to win this game for town.

What I was actually doing was assuring rob that I wasn't going to have this mafia lost by us bickering as v/v again, which I was going to reveal right before the phase switched, although admittedly I only made that post to annoy rob a bit. It was only around the time of the post I made before that one that I switched from rob as 90% mafia to w3 as 90% mafia. It was w3's voting in final 5 that first tipped me off, and most of what I saw looking back at the entire game supported w3 as mafia.

It should also be noted that we would have won if I had remembered to use my protection ability on Night 1, enabling me to use it Night 3.

As predicted, this results in me still missing out on the achievement for winning 3 games in a row, in the most ridiculous way possible.

LLLLLLLWWLWWLWWLWWL

I'd have to say the saddest thing of all is that we missed having a mafia end with an exciting final 5 and final 3. I was really looking forward to lynching w3 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 02:42:36 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 02:38:35 am
The sad part about this is that I actually had w3 pegged as the last mafia. You might have noticed the following post looked out of place:

Quote from: Linkcat on January 28, 2017, 05:33:14 am
Don't worry rob, I'm going to win this game for town.

What I was actually doing was assuring rob that I wasn't going to have this mafia lost by us bickering as v/v again, which I was going to reveal right before the phase switched, although admittedly I only made that post to annoy rob a bit. It was only around the time of the post I made before that one that I switched from rob as 90% mafia to w3 as 90% mafia. It was w3's voting in final 5 that first tipped me off, and most of what I saw looking back at the entire game supported w3 as mafia.

It should also be noted that we would have won if I had remembered to use my protection ability on Night 1, enabling me to use it Night 3.

As predicted, this results in me still missing out on the achievement for winning 3 games in a row, in the most ridiculous way possible.

LLLLLLLWWLWWLWWLWWL

I'd have to say the saddest thing of all is that we missed having a mafia end with an exciting final 5 and final 3. I was really looking forward to lynching w3 tomorrow.

So Sad. Ofcourse, i knew you had that ability, as i id'ed you. Had to take a chance and lynch you, as i knew UT would support me over rob (i can just claim my officer use on rob and say he's mafia, at that point). Thankfully, none of that was needed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: killsdazombies on January 30, 2017, 02:56:02 am
I really liked uta using the votes to try and communicate, it was pretty well done
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 03:14:41 am
Below are my reads/my analysis from right before I posted my read-list for w3 at the end of last day phase. In yellow are updates after finding out that anti was mafia. In turquoise are post-game thoughts.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255421/#msg1255421

Bandwagoned with rob against fabian > possibly newb mistake if he's teamed up w/ rob

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255548/#msg1255548
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255575/#msg1255575

Asks about # of mafia / says thanks when finds out > Neutral read - could be town asking b/c we didn't know or mafia asking b/c they know it'll come out eventually and might as well get "town" credit for being the one to ask

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255679/#msg1255679

Votes w/ gino vs Kuro > rob hasn't voted yet, doesn't vote with Link. Looks kinda bad since Kuro was NK'd the next night.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255687/#msg1255687

First one to point out my "condition" > Neutral read - I'm not convinced mafia knew why their kill didn't go through until after I "revealed" it via repeated random votes

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255786/#msg1255786

"Anyway, I think Kuro has a reasonable response, although if he is lying about his primary role but telling the truth about his officer role, that role is going to just wipe us out later. So I'm not changing my vote because he's still making me nervous."

> A fair point, but again, Kuro getting NK'd the next night does make this look bad.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255956/#msg1255956

Doesn't know why dawn's primary role isn't revealed - Neutral read (again) b/c he could be scum w/ rob and playing dumb or just be town and not know yet (I didn't either at this point).

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255970/#msg1255970

Most revealing post so far. Puts w3 and Link as his suspected scum. The most likely scenarios are rob/anti and Link/w3 being on the same teams, one way or the other.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255473/#msg1255473

First notable post. Votes on rob with no evidence because Linkcat. If scum, he voted away from teammate (or teammate hadn't voted yet).
Voted away from anti

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255531/#msg1255531

Neutral read. Doesn't seem like Link to miss a mafia deadline, but he has seemed busier IRL lately, so hard to say.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255602/#msg1255602

"Anyone townreading rob right now is underestimating him." > This caught my attention at the time and again looking back on it. Combined with his D1 vote, looks more and more like he's not on the same team as rob.

I have this running theory that rob and Link are teamed up and seeing how much they can get away with before anyone suspects their on the same team. Give themselves a challenge, so to speak. Have rob take charge as "town-lead" and Link undermine him every step of the way. It'd be bold, especially since they've voted on each other multiple times (though neither has really been close to getting lynched). The hard part about this theory is that it's hard to get a read either way. They're either not on the same team or doing a good job of playing that role. I'm thinking I'm gonna have to play the odds and let them pull this one on us if it is true just b/c statistically it's more likely that they're not on the same team.
Thankfully this wasn't the case :D

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255675/#msg1255675
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255695/#msg1255695

Realizes how I've been affected by N1 NK attempt. Same as anti - neutral read.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255752/#msg1255752

So hard to read this guy. Kuro getting killed on N2 and flipping town makes this look bad, but I recall Link doing this kind of thing before as town. Would be a dumb move by Mafia, I think, to "predict" someone flipping town when they know it's true. It all comes back to WIFOM, of course, but I don't think Link would put himself in that position.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255844/#msg1255844

Here we go! Link goes full tilt against rob and never lets up. He draws a clear line in the sand even a bit early that puts rob/anti together and (in Link's mind) clears w3. Here's what throws me - why anti? Why not w3? Even with an investigative role he wouldn't know w3's primary role yet. Definitely shady, imo. Would love to have had him explain why anti over w3 (or even Kuro or dawn at that point).
Strong town lean for this. Would have been dangerous to point out his own teammate in this way. I still want an answer on why anti over w3

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255847/#msg1255847

Explains why he thinks dawn is town, but doesn't really help in reading him.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255973/#msg1255973

Hangs it all on the rob/anti team again. Votes for rob, even though I already voted on anti. Not really sure why, unless he's wanting to get the more experienced mafia player lynched first and assumes I'll follow suit and switch my vote to go with him.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256019/#msg1256019

Wait. Now I'm voting with him on rob and he switches to vote on anti? I'm so confused. Doesn't help me read him b/c town or scum, this is weird.
I mean, at least he's voting on anti who turned out to be scum. Solid town read.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255420/#msg1255420

First town-y post. Kind of. Pushes for a lynch over no lynch. The scummy part of this is that he pushes a little too hard. It's one thing to OMGUS fabian for no lynch voting, but to suggest that fabian is scum for suggesting it? These forums have a history of pushing for no lynch on D1 until very recently, so I don't think it's scummy at all and I feel like rob should know that too.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255422/#msg1255422

Asks anti about the no lynch thing. If he's teamed up with him, this is a good way to give the impression they're separate. On its own, no read. But combined with other stuff, it fits the rob/anti narrative.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255466/#msg1255466
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255468/#msg1255468
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255472/#msg1255472
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255474/#msg1255474

Pushing for activity. Town-y, but rob can get away with this kind of playing even as scum. Initially I read him as town for this, though.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255498/#msg1255498

Some yummy reads. anti is slightly Zailor. Link and w3 are null.
Reading anti as more town than Link and w3 doesn't help his case.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255508/#msg1255508

Doesn't like lynching low/no posters. Okay, noted.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255509/#msg1255509

Puts pressure on w3 for not posting enough. Wants me to join him b/c I'm the only other active player. If he's town, that's a weird play b/c I would think he'd be more suspicious of me possibly being mafia. As mafia, how great is it to get a town player to join you on the lynch? In hindsight, this is a scummy post.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255517/#msg1255517

Calls w3 scummy for not responding until he got voted on.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255519/#msg1255519

NOW he's suspicious of me for sheeping him. Why now when he actively called me out to join him in his vote?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255538/#msg1255538

Another read list. w3 has moved to Zailor lean for the very reason he called him scummy a fews posts before (???). anti has moved to null, joining where he'd later put Link at this point (b/c he accidentally left him off at this point).
Why did you move anti from slightly-Zailor to null?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255584/#msg1255584

Calls out anti for asking/thanking about the # of mafia in the game. First post that doesn't fit the rob/anti narrative, but defo could be rob's good mafia playing.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255587/#msg1255587

"Hmm, a lot of reliance on activity / post-count it feels like in your list here UTA." > This fits his post about not wanting to lynch no/low posters.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255597/#msg1255597

Just another town-y post trying to get people to be active and explain their actions. Again, my initial read was that this looked like town, but I don't want to underestimate him.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255599/#msg1255599

First time he calls himself out as NK 1 target. No read, really, except that it gives the subliminal message that he's town b/c he's claiming he'll be NK'd by mafia. Could go either way, but with the filter of him being the most likely mafia member left in the game at this point, it does look sketch.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255603/#msg1255603

Okay, so this is a towny post. But it also just fits in the rob/Link banter.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255685/#msg1255685

Finally realizes why I can't talk. No read, but worth noting that rob and anti were the first to notice it (or call it out).

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255692/#msg1255692

Hmm, kinda scummy. How *would* I know who targeted me unless I targeted myself? And wouldn't that be juicy info to give mafia? Kill the protector if they're still out there. I missed this at the time, but this stands out as super scummy.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255698/#msg1255698

Calls out for Cannoner (himself) to kill dawn. Would love to hear why he thinks that's better than lynching him. Goes against everything he said about not lynching no/low posters, it seems. Except that he says this would be better without explaining why.
To be more clear: rob, why is 1U killing a 0-poster better than lynching one?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255805/#msg1255805

Joins my vote without explanation. This is sketch. Also, side note - he gave me two options and then asked me to answer yes/no >.<

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255840/#msg1255840

Okay, so he missed the deadline, that's fine. But why did he switch to gino in the first place? And he wanted Kuro lynched, then Kuro gets NK'd. Obviously this argument doesn't hold up too long since multiple people voted on him at some point (everyone alive except w3), but still worth noting.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255845/#msg1255845

He could have misinterpreted Link here, but this was the first time I started seriously considering rob as scum. I clearly understood what Link meant and rob jumped on him and held on tight like this was some huge and obvious mistake. Strangely, he never pushed very hard for Link to get lynched even with this.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255886/#msg1255886

Starts harassing w3. One of the (many) posts that makes me think they're not on a mafia-team together.
Heh, turns out this was right. Go figure.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255891/#msg1255891

Link and anti are neutral. Throws shade on w3. I find it really interesting (and hard to decipher) that he never pushes Link more despite some posts about Link looking scummy.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255951/#msg1255951
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255952/#msg1255952

Innocent mistake or is he scum and knows that dawn is town and slipped up? *insert ascii shrug guy here*

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255960/#msg1255960

Finally votes on Link. Though his reasoning is like before - not based on anything nearly as solid as he makes it out to be.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255963/#msg1255963

Again, assumes dawn is town, while we really don't know either way.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256001/#msg1256001

Wait. Now he wonders why we didn't push for a lynch against dawn? After he specifically said we *shouldn't* lynch anyone for that reason? Flip flopping looks bad. On the other hand, I'm not sure what he gained as mafia by claiming to have killed dawn when he could have kept silent and left dawn's killer unknown. That part definitely doesn't fit the rob-as-mafia narrative.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256003/#msg1256003

He actually makes a great point here. If w3 is on mafia with anyone-but-rob, waiting to put his vote with me is a safe bet b/c then he's siding with the only confirmed townie.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256006/#msg1256006

Wait, what? Why? rob should know better than to throw shade on someone (anti) and not give any reasons. And now he's doing what he criticized w3 for.
rob: Why did you suspect anti? And why didn't you vote on him?
This is what had me convinced he was mafia. If he had voted on anti and/or given reasons for suspecting him, this would have been a pretty big town-post once anti flipped mafia.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256043/#msg1256043

I don't get why he thought I was nearly-convinced he was town. 75-80%? Because he posts a lot? Eh.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256049/#msg1256049

Makes the argument that I have the most trouble reconciling with him being mafia. I don't understand why he'd announce that he killed dawn as mafia. :/

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256070/#msg1256070

Starts leaning aa toward town again. The only time he seems suspicious of him, he doesn't actually vote on him and doesn't give reasoning.
Ha. This now makes him look SUPER scummy.
*facepalm*

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255448/#msg1255448

Warns he's gonna be gone for the phase. No read.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255513/#msg1255513

Votes to save himself. Works for town/mafia. No read.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255525/#msg1255525

First time he butts heads with rob. 99.9% sure he's on not on mafia-team with rob. His vote on fabian doesn't really help his case either way b/c it would be a tie vote no matter where he put it, so he wasn't deciding who would die but that he would live. If I do take that into account, though, I'm still kinda stuck. He doesn't want to vote with Link if they're scum together, so anyone else is a safe bet.
Make that 100% (b/c anti).

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255665/#msg1255665

Ooh, a reads list. No read on anti. Linkcat: "He's a good player, so probably wanna keep him for now." Fasho shady. And ofc he's suscpicious of rob.
No read on anti doesn't help or hurt him at this point.

"However, my general rule of thumb is one of the mafia is atleast quite active." - Kinda town-y, I think. If he's teamed up with Link or anti, then he's the "active" one of the team, making this a damning statement. WIFOM, ofc, but would be bold to say this about himself.
*facepalm*

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255759/#msg1255759

"Any reasons there link? Also, Kuro, Dawn, anti, just tell us what you think so far, what your reads are and all. It will be a massive help."

No read, but noteworthy that he asked Link for his reasons. Good mafia play or sincere town play.
This becomes a "no-read" post now that Link & w3 can't both be mafia.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255787/#msg1255787

Same as above - if he's teamed up with anti as scum, this is good mafia play. Otherwise they're sincerely not on scum team together.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255811/#msg1255811

More suspicion of rob. Still hasn't voted on him yet.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255816/#msg1255816

Votes on dawn. No read here, except that he specifically didn't vote on rob (???).

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255888/#msg1255888

Town-y post. "Gut feeling" seems dangerous to use as your reasoning if you're scum. If he looked shady overall, this would feel scummy.
...

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255890/#msg1255890

Suspicion on rob, thinks Link is neutral. Fits the rob/anti and Link/w3 narrative.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255953/#msg1255953
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255957/#msg1255957
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1255997/#msg1255997
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256004/#msg1256004
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256010/#msg1256010

A bunch of posts going after rob.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256029/#msg1256029

Says he will vote on rob or anti, waits to see where I'm gonna go with my vote. Not sure about that, except that he seems town-y otherwise. Would have liked him to have put his vote down and been willing to change where he put it if I didn't go along.
Still helps his case that he suspected anti.
I still don't get why he didn't vote on Link at the end of this Day phase. Too committed to follow my lead to risk exposing himself? But killing Link there wins the game, right?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256037/#msg1256037

Votes on rob after I do.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256046/#msg1256046

Makes a good point about me not being convinced there's no solid case against rob. Overall a pretty town-y post, I think. No single post makes me think he's town, but a lot of little things make me lean that way.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-66-by-killsdazombies/msg1256074/#msg1256074

Asks for my reads. He seems to be going along with whoever I vote on. In hindsight I wish I had put Link on top and seen if he'd go along. But at this point I think he's town and that makes rob/anti seem likely the mafia team.

Ultimately, he voted for anti, being the swing vote that got him killed. Strong town lean for this.
See above. I know it ended up working out, but only b/c of the poison that he didn't know was used. Without that, the game comes down to whether Link could convince me to vote on w3 during the next day phase.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:18:10 am
Also, i should say, taht mafia werent allowed to talk to themselves outside of this thread. So me and anti didnt communicate at all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:20:35 am
Also, UT, it would be me rob and you left. I nk'ed link, not rob. Rob died due to poison.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 03:23:02 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:20:35 am
Also, UT, it would be me rob and you left. I nk'ed link, not rob. Rob died due to poison.

Ah, good point. Then yeah, we were probably screwed. But still curious as to why you didn't just vote for Link at the end there.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:28:38 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 03:23:02 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:20:35 am
Also, UT, it would be me rob and you left. I nk'ed link, not rob. Rob died due to poison.

Ah, good point. Then yeah, we were probably screwed. But still curious as to why you didn't just vote for Link at the end there.

Too afraid that rob might move his vote. And then, me and anti being on same pile is gg
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 04:52:22 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 03:23:02 am
Quote from: worldwideweb3 on January 30, 2017, 03:20:35 am
Also, UT, it would be me rob and you left. I nk'ed link, not rob. Rob died due to poison.

Ah, good point. Then yeah, we were probably screwed. But still curious as to why you didn't just vote for Link at the end there.
why screwed? I would have come out voting www3 to eternity forever and ever.

You would have voted me over www3?!!?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 05:03:26 am
Also, there is no way winning as far ahead as mutineers were this whole game that I would outpost any other two players combined. No.way. Any tinfoil on me at that point was silly. Shame on me for not realizing www3 was just lazy slacking it as scum. His play this game is exactly why I push so hard for town activity.

Also, shame on any Zailor who thought my blasting dawn was ever in any way a scum move to soft it, do it, and then claim it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 05:11:06 am
That was your biggest town credit. I can't say how I would have voted because it would have depended on what Link was planning on saying and what you (rob) would have said in response to my bulletin board questions.

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 05:14:00 am
Quote from: UTAlan on January 30, 2017, 05:11:06 am
That was your biggest town credit. I can't say how I would have voted because it would have depended on what Link was planning on saying and what you (rob) would have said in response to my bulletin board questions.

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it would have been me, you, and www3. No mOre link input. Would you have voted me over www3?? (Also, no way would scum Rob Weber try to help you find a way to talk to us after you were scarred)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 05:27:06 am
I was going to make a post saying w3 was for sure mafia if kdz hadn't told me the game had ended. That's why I'm certain we would have won in any final 3.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 05:48:27 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 05:27:06 am
I was going to make a post saying w3 was for sure mafia if kdz hadn't told me the game had ended. That's why I'm certain we would have won in any final 3.
So my being poisoned combined with www3 choosing to NK you (Link) was the way we had two Zailors die between F5 and F3? :( Urgh.

Seriously, ZERO posters are cancerous when the rand as Zailor (town). I was going to zap dawn N1 but chickened out hoping he would get active or that Day 2 would show a sure-fire mafia to me so I could go that route. No dice.

*sigh*
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: Kuroaitou on February 01, 2017, 03:50:23 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 05:48:27 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 05:27:06 am
I was going to make a post saying w3 was for sure mafia if kdz hadn't told me the game had ended. That's why I'm certain we would have won in any final 3.
So my being poisoned combined with www3 choosing to NK you (Link) was the way we had two Zailors die between F5 and F3? :( Urgh.

Seriously, ZERO posters are cancerous when the rand as Zailor (town). I was going to zap dawn N1 but chickened out hoping he would get active or that Day 2 would show a sure-fire mafia to me so I could go that route. No dice.

*sigh*

I promise to be more active in the next mafia... as a host perhaps? :o :-[
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 66 - by killsdazombies
Post by: rob77dp on February 02, 2017, 04:38:27 am
Quote from: Kuroaitou on February 01, 2017, 03:50:23 am
Quote from: rob77dp on January 30, 2017, 05:48:27 am
Quote from: Linkcat on January 30, 2017, 05:27:06 am
I was going to make a post saying w3 was for sure mafia if kdz hadn't told me the game had ended. That's why I'm certain we would have won in any final 3.
So my being poisoned combined with www3 choosing to NK you (Link) was the way we had two Zailors die between F5 and F3? :( Urgh.

Seriously, ZERO posters are cancerous when the rand as Zailor (town). I was going to zap dawn N1 but chickened out hoping he would get active or that Day 2 would show a sure-fire mafia to me so I could go that route. No dice.

*sigh*

I promise to be more active in the next mafia... as a host perhaps? :o :-[
/would-play


(probably)
blarg: killsdazombies