Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword

[rob77dp]

I'd like to just point out that my vote and the subsequent train are not any indication of proof for anyone but ian. If uta dies mafia, it'll be ians doing, none of ours. Just saying we shouldn't add anyone, myself included, to a list of confirmed, aside from maybe ian since he did the callout to begin with.

I'd like to point out that andre and I's votes only get negated if we are fruit. So yeah, if uta flips mafia like we're expecting then you should consider iancu and I just as confirmed as possible without having the investigative role yourself.

That or the math being done by several players is whack?

[killsdazombies]

with so many people voting, blueberry or grapefruit are likely to be in the mix AND we wont get the info (peach is EoR) AND we have been hit by true power, so UTA may have odd vote total

[dawn to dusk]

Peach will be useless this round, don't use it.

[Sera]

I wouldn't be surprised if SourPls was used too.

[rob77dp]

While I'm doing a re-read of Espi's ISO, could someone take a few minutes to scroll through his posts and make two lists: players he has addressed with a serious intent, question, or interaction and those he has not addressed that way?

I wanted to to do that also but it is bogging down my ISO and I only have so much time I can put into this thing...

[rob77dp]

So, I've re-visited my less-than-detailed previous half-read on Espithel...

A fair bit of villager/town lean from me right now on Espithel:

Spoiler for town-type things I see from Espithel so far:

Harping Ryli about shaky play and vote discussion.
More offensive against Ryli // ALSO, directly states UTA is mafia? Wow, either extremely early cred statement should UTA be found later or very pro-town help if UTA ends up scum?
Rightly grills andre about his approach to voting in the Dema/Kuro D1 debate which is a town-y move (since then, andre seems quit likely to be town himself given the ian/Peach UTAlan/SIC scenario playing out on current Day Phase voting).
The plan about reading votes to try to find SIC is actually not bad - and is what _seems_ to be playing out right now. Also came with follow-up on the SIC thing.
Opposite of his stance on Dema earlier where here Espi is pressuring a scenario of Dema being voted over www3 without sufficient relative-vote reasoning. Before, Espi was pressuring a scenario of Dema being NOT voted in favor of votes onto Kuro without any posted relative-vote reasoning. I really see this as some good lean in my book for Espi to be town because mafia would KNOW what Dema's alignment is and if Dema was/is mafia would always be 'pro-saving-Dema' and if Dema was/is town would always be willing to let others shade Dema without any need to step in either way.
A town-view of Ryli's silly self-pres and lack of interest in solving rather only their own survival is VERY town-lean for Espi should Ryli die at some point and flip as mafia! Slight town lean for the accurate town-advice/input regardless.
More un-solicited steam onto UTA - if UTA flips mafia end of this day then there is a PILE of evidence that either Espi saw/felt something off about UTA or hard-bussed him from almost the opening bell of this event...
More un-required town-perspective attempts to help... that is, sure mafia could fake this but WHY would they fake so much of all this that Espi is doing?
[url=http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-63-by-skyironsword/msg1246914/#msg1246914]This is very town-lean perspective as I see it due to it being an attempt to further parlay UTA's _likely_ flip as mafia into additional hunting or solving.
Seems very town-like to me here also...

Spoiler for not-so-town type things I see from Espithel so far:

a little agreeably-sheep \ like in my view
...
This and this and this and this and this.
Could be trying to line-up for blending in with town by slipping in a UTA dig post-reveal of the big drop of UTA/iancu/vote-count-calculation development just prior...

Thing is, I'm somewhat interested with a Ryli lynch - I don't like how quickly (s)he latched onto the kurowagon. Obviously Dema would as he doesn't want to kill Lunaris, and Sera and KDZ would have to be looked at, but...

I did it to try and get rid of the giant spike that happened with demagog and lunaris... Only to cause another spike.


However, I also very strongly disapprove of Timpa's trying to bargain and agree with people to get to another lynch. That always guarantees a civilian lynch and I refuse to accept that Timpa isn't utterly oblivious to that.

Also, DD, you said you wanted me to raise this again on D3. Here you go.

Espithel, what on Earth are you talking about here - which of the things you have in your self-quote are what you are indicating dd wanted dredged up on D3?

Interestingly, UTA temporarily voted on Lunaris on D1, who was the largest vote at that point.

TL;DR I call hax if Lunaris, www3, and/or iancu are mafia

Why would you not think of this as an example of scum!UTA bussing a 'caught' teammate (Luna with lots of votes) and then backing off soon as he thought it could be part of the Lunaris'-hide-saving-vote-changes going on shortly after?


***Note: minimal proofing of the grammar and the like to focus on getting my ideas/thoughts out there quicker than later. ***

[rob77dp]

Please ignore the stupid "U" subject line of that message I just posted... incidental and has no meaning (just in case someone tries to extrapolate and chase down a rabbit hole that helps none).

[Solaris]

honestly I'm not entirely convinced that Espi isn't playing a good mafia game, and went for the DEEEEEEEP "bus" (just bold claims so that he can refer back to them later when under scrutiny, no votes) with that "UTA = mafia" claim. Also, lest we not forget that he actually HESITATED on a UTA lynch, even when previously accusing him.

[CleanOnion]

Please ignore the stupid "U" subject line of that message I just posted... incidental and has no meaning (just in case someone tries to extrapolate and chase down a rabbit hole that helps none).

U suck

honestly I'm not entirely convinced that Espi isn't playing a good mafia game, and went for the DEEEEEEEP "bus" (just bold claims so that he can refer back to them later when under scrutiny, no votes) with that "UTA = mafia" claim. Also, lest we not forget that he actually HESITATED on a UTA lynch, even when previously accusing him.

Might need to take a look at espi's posts at some point

[RavingRabbid]

UTAlan (14) - killsdazombies, rob77dp, Demagog, kirbylover314, iancudorinmarian, fabian711, Solaris, Espithel, UTAlan, CleanOnion, mathman101, dawn to dusk, andretimpa, RavingRabbi
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because bandwagons

also this will be my last post for the day so I hope you all know what you're doing

[Espithel]

Man, attention! I love it. :3

Thing is, I'm somewhat interested with a Ryli lynch - I don't like how quickly (s)he latched onto the kurowagon. Obviously Dema would as he doesn't want to kill Lunaris, and Sera and KDZ would have to be looked at, but...

I did it to try and get rid of the giant spike that happened with demagog and lunaris... Only to cause another spike.

However, I also very strongly disapprove of Timpa's trying to bargain and agree with people to get to another lynch. That always guarantees a civilian lynch and I refuse to accept that Timpa isn't utterly oblivious to that.

This post made me think. In fact it's still making me think so I don't have a proper response to it. Bring this post up for discussion again on day three, will you?

As requested, 'ere's what evans wanted D3.

Anyway:

The animal-killing gimmick was me getting irritated at how the game turned bastard for a moment, so I did something to amuse me. I'm honestly surprised it even had an effect.


Here they are, fyi. Completely unharmed and rested, like they should be.

Just because I suspected UTA, does not mean I condone a huge spike of votes coming at him for (at the time) a total lack of reason. This is the same reason I voted on Kuro on day 1; I don't like huge spikes of votes. Voting on Kuro was the best way to get rid of the huge spike of votes. Huge vote spikes make discussing sht hard.
Granted, I didn't properly read the thread before I poked UTA, but w/e.

UTA acting strange with Lunaris being odd D1? Didn't pick up on it first time around. You didn't either, so you really can't criticise me for it; I noticed it in hindsight when I was talking about how www3 has a very high chance of being civ if UTA flips scum.

Speaking of UTA, when I said "Yep UTA is totes mafia because a cop told me so yep yep :okhand: (no.)", I was hoping the "no" was enough to indicate it was a shitpost and that UTA was drawn completely from a hat to be a random person in the joke. I can't even remember what I was responding to.

WHY DID NO ONE LIKE MY RHYMING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So we're done for now? right? I'll be in this corner playing Pokémon Go.

[Espithel]

EBWOP:

Solaris, stop being stupid. :D