Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword

[worldwideweb3]

Ok, finally read more posts. Let's see...

Last game I caught Ryli because Ryli defended me. I'm pretty sure Ryli has defended me this game too, right? If Ryli were mafia, would she do the exact same thing that got her killed last game? I don't think so... it's possible, but I doubt it. So I'm not too suspicious of Ryli at the moment.

My current thoughts are on Submachine and www3. Submachine because he's been defending me. I'm always suspicious of this behavior. I am aware that Sub likes to play his games without lying. Of course, if he's mafia he'd lie. I don't exactly want to lynch Sub yet though. I appreciate being defended and I think it's in his character... but being defended by someone puts them in my "keep an eye on them" list.

I'm suspicious of www3 because of how strongly he defended Kuro. I stand by my point from last game that mafia want to defend players that are likely to be lynched. He even tried to use his defense of Kuro as a defense for himself already. For this reason, I'm most suspicious of www3 and my vote will probably go here next round.

I'm also a bit suspicious of Rootranger due to him making the vote tied between Kuro and me last round. That voting behavior just feels strange. I could see a town doing it, though. And due to vote manipulation and the rule about votes being tied, I think there's less info we can gain from this swap. It's not like it could cause a no lynch which is mafia-favorable. I do think that if root rolls mafia, this makes me less likely to be mafia, as he could have kept his vote on Kuro to try to keep me alive. For this reason, I'm for lynching Root just to help clear my name.

Hi. I never defended myself using Kuro case. Just said I was right. Anyways, atleast looks like you are trying, albeit it's still all bad logic. Also, you can't make reads this early apparently, so you are Mafia.

[worldwideweb3]

Also, ofcourse I'm gonna try and defend a civvy who's going to die. Only Mafia won't. Ugh, you got a brain too so use it please.

[ddevans96]

I don't recall you giving actual reason as to why you were so confident Kuro is town, www3. Can you share?

[worldwideweb3]

I don't recall you giving actual reason as to why you were so confident Kuro is town, www3. Can you share?

Yup. His posts were extremely town.  Knowing Kuro, it was easy to say he was civvy. If there's less info, we should atleast try to do reads....

[ddevans96]

His posts didn't come across as extremely town to me. In fact, I saw similarities with games he was mafia, including 52 where he and I were mafia together, in addition to similarities with games he was town. You could say he was slightly town, and I'd understand that viewpoint, maybe even agree with it. Extremely, no, that's stretching it.

You know what I've done before? Portrayed extremely confidence that someone was town day one, they got lynched and flipped town, and I continued pushing the point that I called they were town as a point in favor of me. Guess what faction I was? Hint: not town. That' a really easy move to pull off, since the majority of the game is town.

The fact that you're being unnecessarily aggressive doesn't really help your case. Town is better when it remains calm.

Not really going to say I'm voting for you Day 2 because we have a whole night of ability usage to factor in but you're leaning scum to me right now.

[worldwideweb3]

But I never said "call me town cause I said Kuro was town" why do you all have to make things up.... I just said I was right and was having some fun with sol after. It's you and dema who said "www3 is saying he is town cause he called Kuro". *summons pro www3 Mafia players*

[ddevans96]

It's the implication. You don't need to say it outright, in fact you don't even have to believe it yourself, for this to be true: that your support of Kuro makes you look town in a manner that could be town, or could be mafia successfully meeting their goal of appearing town. I'm just assuming the latter because I've done it before.

[Linkcat]

I have been summoned. W3 is town. Back to afk.

[Solaris]

I have been summoned. W3 is town. Back to afk.

kek.

[ddevans96]

Are you willing to elaborate on why you think Kuro's behavior was so town, www3? That would probably paint you in a much more favorable light than Dema and I currently see you in, because what makes you suspicious to me is the fact that you've said it so confidently without any substantial backing, not the fact that you've said it at all.

I have been summoned. W3 is town. Back to afk.

Should I bother responding to this post?

[worldwideweb3]

Are you willing to elaborate on why you think Kuro's behavior was so town, www3? That would probably paint you in a much more favorable light than Dema and I currently see you in, because what makes you suspicious to me is the fact that you've said it so confidently without any substantial backing, not the fact that you've said it at all.

I have been summoned. W3 is town. Back to afk.

Should I bother responding to this post?

Go read kuro's post (if you haven't done so) I don't wanna say why I saw them as town as Mafia could use my reasoning to now show themselves as town. If people doing reads are gonna be assumed to be Mafia, then us civvies might as well quit now. If I heavily believed in something, it's natural for me to say it, it's up to you to believe my reasoning good enough to follow. Also, stop implying stuff I haven't said.  Also, yay, I got my cat mercenaries arriving. *prepares cat food*

[ddevans96]

Go read kuro's post (if you haven't done so) I don't wanna say why I saw them as town as Mafia could use my reasoning to now show themselves as town.

I have read Kuro's posts and I see a slight town lean, as I said. but not the guaranteed town you perceived.

Anyways, more evidence. Here's the vote right before www3's proclamation:

Spoiler for Hidden:

fabian771 (1) - mathman101
Kuroaitou (7) - RavingRabbid, Linkcat, Espithel, Ryli, Demagog, Sera, andretimpa
Demagog (5) - dawn to dusk, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, Lunaris, Solaris
Lunaris (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - fabian771
kirbylover314 (1) - danil
Ryli (1) - worldwideweb3
UTAlan (1) - Kuroaitou

Note that his vote never changed from Ryli after he made that post.

Here's his proclamation:

Kuro's almost a certain civ now, looking at his play.

Here's the final vote:

Spoiler for Hidden:

fabian771 (1) - mathman101
Kuroaitou (5) - Linkcat, Ryli, Demagog, killsdazombies, andretimpa
Demagog (5) - JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, Lunaris, Solaris, rob77dp
Lunaris (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
dawn to dusk (2) - fabian771, RavingRabbid
kirbylover314 (2) - danil, Kuroaitou
Ryli (2) - worldwideweb3, Espithel

So why didn't you switch your vote to Demagog if you were so confident in Kuro being town, when it could have saved him?

If people doing reads are gonna be assumed to be Mafia, then us civvies might as well quit now. If I heavily believed in something, it's natural for me to say it, it's up to you to believe my reasoning good enough to follow. Also, stop implying stuff I haven't said.  Also, yay, I got my cat mercenaries arriving. *prepares cat food*

First of all, 'implying stuff I haven't said', that's kind of the whole point of implication, is things that aren't said. Again, it doesn't matter if you meant to imply anything, and it doesn't matter if you believe you implied anything, that implication exists in the context of mafia.

I'm not suspicious of you because you made a read. I'm suspicious because your actions don't match your words. You believed so strongly that Kuro was town, but didn't even attempt to save him with your vote when it could have made a difference. You attacked Dema for not thinking, but your actions would contain logical holes if they came from town.

I'm not guaranteeing it the way you did with Kuro, but I'm pretty sure I know your faction, and it doesn't match his.