Pages 11-18:I make it 100% obvious that I'm town and you still vote on me, Onion? You just want me to put you at the bottom of my list again don't you?
Kuro's almost a certain civ now, looking at his play.
Why are we making statements like 'obvious town' and 'certain town' on
day one? Slow down.
And this is just more evidence that you guys suck at scumreading. I learned I was bad at it a long time ago, why do you guys keep thinking you are capable of it when the only reasons your town ever wins is investigative roles and rule abuse. Do any of you ever learn from your mistakes?
Everything I've done so far is normal behavior for me, so lynching me now is like saying "oh there is a 20-25% chance he is mafia so we better kill him." At that point you should lynch someone that you think won't contribute, not someone who can do you a lot of good when they are town.
1.) Only 4 people are voting on you, so don't generalize. Address the relevant people directly, because the others have nothing to do with it.
2.) Mafia (if you are not one of them) will want to keep their votes on you, so you cannot convince them. Anyone with a solid reason at this point is probably faking.
3.) If you are aware what a civilian you would do, then you would be able to do that as mafia too.
4.) If all else fails, hint us how good your role is. At this point, good roles are more important than scumreads, so if you have a better role and you're on the chopping block, drop a vague hint.
TLDR: Only 4 people are voting you, talk to them; Showing artificial townreads means nothing; If you have a good role and you're dying, drop a hint; and these people are probably worth investigating next night, starting with JCJ:
Demagog (4) - dawn to dusk, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, CleanOnion
Let it be known that, while I like most of this post, I place a FoS on Sub due to one section. Here's why.
Sub has been very vocal in the past about how lack of town activity has lost games. Fair, right? I completely agree, it got super frustrating for a while. But I'm not quite sure this post lines up with that ideal. It's all in the highlighted sentence. He suggests that the people who have voted for Dema should be priority for investigation - however, my vote on Dema was to push activity, as were several of my other posts. I don't speak for the other three but I find this to be contrary to logic that Sub has displayed in the past.
It should be noted that Sub has stated on several occasions that he'll play differently depending on the game, so I could chalk that up to that, but...I'm still suspicious and I want it on record that I am in case heat comes up on him later.
A non contributing power role isn't very helpful, so it's the best option for now, I do not support a Demagog lynch this early, especially not after what happened with Rob last game.
To be blunt, rob's lynch last game was very poor on town's part. In general, however...if you look at the participants of most mafias here, a large amount of them are perceived as 'high level'. I cross reference Dema's list, because it is extremely convenient:
I'll preface this by saying I don't mean to offend and I apologize sincerely if I do.
I'll also say that I don't agree with the order of this list, but assume for a moment that this list is sorted, from top to bottom, objectively in order of mafia skill. Where is the cutoff from 'high competence' to 'medium competence'?
Is it just Demagog, because I haven't played as many mafias lately and so I might be rusty?
If it after CleanOnion, because Kuro is perceived by some to be weaker as town than mafia?
Is it after Submachine, because some of Espithel's actions has come under scrutiny in recent mafias?
Is it after Linkcat, because mathman hasn't had a notable number of 'big plays' in mafias?
If it after andretimpa, because he's played in a lot of mafias and so is more likely to be very good?
...oh oops, there's only two names lower than andre on the list.
My point is that there's a LOT of good players on this forum, and because of that it is extremely likely that scum will contain multiple competent players, and it also almost guaranteed that town will contain multiple competent players, really no matter how many you consider to be at that level. Therefore I consider a player's skill to be of less importance in early-game lynches than many other factors. Gaining information is the most important thing and the amount of skill remaining in town even following a town lynch in day one PLUS the information gained from that lynch will always outweigh the negatives of lynching an experienced town day one.
fwiw this also shows that a nightkill list is extremely subjective, and as such it should only be used as a tool in a scumhunting arsenal, not the centerpiece of it.
So since both of these lynches are terrible, I'm going to go with who I think is mafia, because a tiny reason is better than no reason.
First is Ryli for what I just said, and because her calling for everyone to throw single votes around and then backpeddling on it was weird.
Next is rob for not putting down a vote, or posting more than once. It's even a dueling phase.
Last is Kuro for throwing a single vote on danil without even posting anything.
I'm not yet sure about the scumtell on rob because I know he is busy IRL, so even during the dueling phase I know his activity cannot always be frequent. I strongly agree with the other two, however.
Kuro, tell me why you voted on danil.
Conga line really. Although since there are five strawberries, I don't doubt that he could be a mafia (repeat mafia members can occur).
Still not a conga line, stop calling it that
I like
this post by UT a lot, not quoting it because this post is long enough, but it should be referenced as an example of simple, pointed questions for later in this mafia when more information is gained - information leads to more information, even if it happens slowly.
Seriously what use is the Apple ability if the person you want to call out is applying spell check basically?
Is anyone who has terrible English talking normally now?
Sent from my PC using Espithel's Keyboard
Closing up the first half of this megapost on a high note, this post was funny and deserves a second read by everyone
