Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword

[Espithel]

Espithel you need to change your avatar!

No I don't. The indescribable red/black text says I love dema. <3

[JonathanCrazyJ]

It is excellent to say the obvious to make sure players play right.
It is also exactly what a good mafia player would do in early game to seem town.
It is madness to consider yourself 100% obviously town because you read the rules.

[Submachine]

And this is just more evidence that you guys suck at scumreading. I learned I was bad at it a long time ago, why do you guys keep thinking you are capable of it when the only reasons your town ever wins is investigative roles and rule abuse. Do any of you ever learn from your mistakes?

Everything I've done so far is normal behavior for me, so lynching me now is like saying "oh there is a 20-25% chance he is mafia so we better kill him." At that point you should lynch someone that you think won't contribute, not someone who can do you a lot of good when they are town.

1.) Only 4 people are voting on you, so don't generalize. Address the relevant people directly, because the others have nothing to do with it.
2.) Mafia (if you are not one of them) will want to keep their votes on you, so you cannot convince them. Anyone with a solid reason at this point is probably faking.
3.) If you are aware what a civilian you would do, then you would be able to do that as mafia too.
4.) If all else fails, hint us how good your role is. At this point, good roles are more important than scumreads, so if you have a better role and you're on the chopping block, drop a vague hint.

TLDR: Only 4 people are voting you, talk to them; Showing artificial townreads means nothing; If you have a good role and you're dying, drop a hint; and these people are probably worth investigating next night, starting with JCJ:

Demagog (4) - dawn to dusk, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, CleanOnion

[Demagog]

1. I agree, my apologies. At the same time, those people with solo votes on random people with no reads are indirectly agreeing with the current lynch status. In my opinion, those people are equally guilty.
2. I mostly agree.
3. This should be true for everyone. It's why you can't scumread skyironsword. You have to ID her or you're just going to lynch town 80% of the time.
4. Ok, I'll drop a hint. I'm one of the roles that I've discussed in the game already. Up to you to decide which.

[Ryli]

We need to shift more voting power to someone else if you don't want to die, Dema. Who do you want to lynch instead?

[Espithel]

Why are you allowing demagog to choose who to lynch as opposed to giving a suggestion yourself?

I mean, you're already soft-implying that you're a blueberry and implying that you believe demagog is town. Would you like to elaborate on your stab targets, hmmmmmm?

[Ryli]

I'm not allowing Demagog to decide anything. If Demagog can't ID Strawberries from other fruits right now, what makes him think the rest of us can?

[Ryli]

He's said we shouldn't lynch him because he must be town, so he wants to move the vote to someone who is just as likely to be town, anyone, just as long as it isn't him.

[Submachine]

He's said we shouldn't lynch him because he must be town, so he wants to move the vote to someone who is just as likely to be town, anyone, just as long as it isn't him.

To be fair, Demagog can be kinda useful if he takes the game seriously. And seeing that people are not really running to help him makes me think that mafia doesn't want to save him, which leans more town to me than scum.

[andretimpa]

And this is just more evidence that you guys suck at scumreading. I learned I was bad at it a long time ago, why do you guys keep thinking you are capable of it when the only reasons your town ever wins is investigative roles and rule abuse. Do any of you ever learn from your mistakes?

Everything I've done so far is normal behavior for me, so lynching me now is like saying "oh there is a 20-25% chance he is mafia so we better kill him." At that point you should lynch someone that you think won't contribute, not someone who can do you a lot of good when they are town.

4.) If all else fails, hint us how good your role is. At this point, good roles are more important than scumreads, so if you have a better role and you're on the chopping block, drop a vague hint.

Anyone have an account in fippe's game with any epic cards? I'm too lazy to try to get one, especially since I don't like playing it.

[Ryli]

He's said we shouldn't lynch him because he must be town, so he wants to move the vote to someone who is just as likely to be town, anyone, just as long as it isn't him.

To be fair, Demagog can be kinda useful if he takes the game seriously. And seeing that people are not really running to help him makes me think that mafia doesn't want to save him, which leans more town to me than scum.

As I said, we need another random target then, as no one is confirmed either way. You want to kill me, right?

[Linkcat]

Not sure how most of you missed that claim. Regardless, a claim like that doesn't mean anything since I asked Sky to give the mafia roles that they can fake claim.

Demagog saying he made it 100% obvious that he's town is definitely in character for him.

I'll try to find an actual mafia at some point.