Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword

[Sera]

But there was basically nothing worth reading in chat? This is just ruining the fun for everyone else.

[worldwideweb3]

Can we stop asking for modkills. You signed up, now play and dont quit mid way. This stuff happens in mafia. like, seriously?

[rob77dp]

[No idea why I ignored the red box on my previous post but I did - however, Espi, my questions I have in that prior post I'd still like you to address]

I guess ill claim. I'm lychee. Yes, I targeted sub. Any questions?

Yes.
What is your reasoning for targeting Sub?
This seems like a pre-mature claim if you are indeed town (there are still 14 hours left to end-of-phase, almost 30% of the total phase), why claim now and not sooner/later?
Why the overly-aggressive (in my opinion, and some others in the game) reaction to the pressure earlier on Day 1?

Counterclaims would be super helpful if someone out there paying attention is the actual lychee... (unless I'm missing something?)

Hi. I already did say i suspected sub to be maf. he didnt post as much as he usually does for some reason. Also, i doubt its a premature claim. It gives us time to think and debate. I dont want bandwagon on me to increase, so pls rob, if anything, it aint premature.
Point me to over aggresive and ill reply, but it was just me having my fun....
Also, yh, if someone really is lychee out there and targetter sub, then yh, feel free to claim. If no one claims, its easy to assume im town, unless im missing something.

(nod)
I've already pointed out over-aggressive so if you care to review (you likely don't ) then look at my post history and find my reads list. Your section/spoiler in that list contains my thoughts on your play to that point.

I see this as a big town-lean/jump on my perception/read of you this game. Not because any/every claim makes someone more town but mostly owing to the how I see the way you did it, here.

Yh, i dont wanna scan through all posts....though if you link me that post of yours ill be happy to look at it.

Copying current vote tally for easy access.

worldwideweb3 (6) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, Ryli, andretimpa, UTAlan
Ryli (5) - worldwideweb3, Espithel, Linkcat, CleanOnion, iancudorinmarian
kirbylover314 (3) - rob77dp, kirbylover314, Sera

All posts? I just mean to isolate my posts (which is pretty simple to do, really) but I'll put it here for you anyway:

Spoiler for worldwideweb3:

Spoiler for scummy sorts of things:

Oh stop using this logic. You full well now I would have been an easy lynch for maf had that happened, smh. If I stated a STRONG lean of town, then other towns should have jumped with me on ryli, including you. Also, there are like 20 other voters you need to question. Most of the votes were pathetic that round, just following a wagon.

Had _what_ happened??

Can you please clarify for me what the red-colored statement is trying to say?

I cannot simultaneously question 20 other voters - I am but one person. Why don't you do some town work and question the ones you think most suspect? 0.o
(I do have one person in mind that I plan to interact with some regarding a post-or-two of their's from Day 1... It may happen tonight before I pass out or it might have to wait until tomorrow sometime...  )

^-- I'm not seeing how this, from www3, comes from a town angle on the game.

But I didn't suspect dema to be maf at the time. Had I switched, and dema flipped town, it would be RiP www3, don't deny

But you had publicly stated a STRONG lean of Kuro as town... why not vote that strong town!Kuro lean by casting a vote to save him? I think given you had previously gone out on a limb as suspecting Kuro as town that the next-day-heat for having hopped trains to Dema would have been minimal (were Dema to even flip town - I still get an edge/vibe from you that would seem odd from a town player not knowing for sure what other player alignments are). I have been scum a couple times and definitely consider that aspect the most difficult about being scum -- not slipping in un-town-ways about your requisite unique knowledge of player alignments. Hence, I like having my eye tuned to look for it as scumtell/reads especially early-game (prior to any chance of investigative roles being used or returning information to other players).

^-- Again, this is still just smelling to me like scum-perspective having leaked into www3's post.

Hey! You made a certain read according to you, this early! I thought that wasn't allowed...double standards. Also, had I moved my vote, you would have been even more certain to lynch me this round....And if I suspect ryli to be Mafia, why would I vote dema.

ORANGE:
Suspect Ryli to be mafia = vote... but 'know' Kuro to be town != vote-somewhere-that-saves-Kuro <-- this is what I think dd (and somewhat kirby just now) are getting at. I have to agree in the sentiment of it givin me a scum-vibe on you www3. Could it simply be that you used words that now in hindsight when scrutinized give an effect you either had no idea would come from them (town-y) or did not intend (scum-y)? Sure could. But town has to grasp at a few things this early and see how the reaction goes and what others chime in with related to the shared thoughts...

PINK:
Um, how does you moving your vote (presumably meaning from Ryli onto Dema to save your town!Kuro) make you more likely to get lynched on Day 2? Is it because you know Dema would flip town too - I could see THAT bringing scrutiny onto a vote switch, but only mafia at this current Night 1 stage of the game would KNOW that such a theoretical vote switch would garner heat (i.e. - you know it would get you lynch-heat because Dema would flip town after your late vote change; I see no way you could know that Dema would _also flip town_ at this point unless you are mafia who know all players' alighments)?

Two scummy strikes on you for my reads, www3. Two strikes do not an out make, but certainly a hole do dig.

^-- I also see the very aggressive defense of position as something that might happen as scum!www3 more likely than town!www3... Voting pattern is not quite how I expect civvy www3 to do day 1 voting.

Spoiler for town-y lean thing:

Also, why isnt sub talking? doesnt he usually talk a lot?

^-- now THIS seems like good town!www3 activity, but really only "counts" in my reads solidly if followed up on from www3 on Submachine.

It's in there...

[rob77dp]

Also, I'll do this now too:

worldwideweb3 (6) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, Ryli, andretimpa, UTAlan
Ryli (6) - worldwideweb3, Espithel, Linkcat, CleanOnion, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
kirbylover314 (3) - kirbylover314, Sera

Day 1 goings-on has changed my tune on www3, this is a vote aiming to rescue www3. I'm still VERY suspicious of kirby and the eager-to-vote-on-www3 then suddenly changes vote onto self without explaining turn of events.

NOTE: as the vote stands now, excluding unpredictable vote modifications which are possible, www3 would be lynched due to tie-breaker going by signup list order.

[rob77dp]

worldwideweb3 (6) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, Ryli, andretimpa, UTAlan
Ryli (6) - worldwideweb3, Espithel, Linkcat, CleanOnion, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
kirbylover314 (2) - kirbylover314, Sera

*Corrected vote total on kirby (incorrect count was 3 in my previous post)

[Ryli]

worldwideweb3 (5) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, andretimpa, UTAlan
Ryli (6) - worldwideweb3, Espithel, Linkcat, CleanOnion, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
kirbylover314 (2) - kirbylover314, Sera

[skyironsword]

You know, intentionally losing the game is also frowned upon here.

[Ryli]

If w3 is town, as people seem to be reading towards, he's a more valuable town. My bad play is a liability to the team.

[Espithel]

PM and Talking in chat for all mafias was not bred into stone, was declared to be a thing before the three games that used it began, and wasn't changed mid-game.

Sub being allowed to talk on death was retroactively added against intuition, especially since you said traditional mafia rules applied.

worldwideweb3 (5) - Solaris, JonathanCrazyJ, ddevans96, andretimpa, UTAlan
Ryli (6) - worldwideweb3, Espithel, Linkcat, CleanOnion, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp
kirbylover314 (2) - kirbylover314, Sera
Skyironsword (1) - Espithel

[skyironsword]

I made an exception because I didn't want anyone punished in such a casual mafia.

I changed them back because Sub decided to annoy me.

[Espithel]

And how does that magically alter the situation?

You retroactively changed the rules.
You then retroactively changed them back.

[worldwideweb3]

I want jcj/math to speak more. Maybe dema too if he can.