Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[CleanOnion]

The nightkill was good for town because it killed off a Townsfolk

As opposed to one of the roles

[Sera]

In fact it almost looks like the nightkill was selected simply so Link could somehow say Dema is town. This is horribly WIFOM-y which only makes me want to decide on other factors more, i.e. Link jumping on dawn.

[Linkcat]

Demagog being confirmed by two nightkills being old players is completely ridiculous.

Your explanation is not bad either - it explains the kill very well.

[Demagog]

The issue is that since d2d was accused, Link wouldn't even need to defend me this round. The attention on me isn't even that much. There is a bunch of logical reasoning I would try to do with if Link is or isn't mafia, if Link and I are both mafia or not, and if the d2d claim is true or not. I'm too sleepy and doing it from my phone would be a huge pain. If anyone else wants to give it a shot, feel free. Thinking about it vaguely makes me think the idea that he and I are both mafia is silly, but I may be biased in knowing that I am not mafia.

[1011686]

I'm switching my vote for two reasons. One, I've never liked Ryli this game and I like the people voting on her, and two, the combination of the potential for Nojid to be Artemis and it being bad play to not out dawn one phase earlier.

fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ryli (4) - Demagog, skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
dawn to dusk (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (3) - CleanOnion, fabian771, Sera

Nojid isn't Artemis, Yoghurt is the one who posted the d2d claim.

[Linkcat]

There's no guarantee that Yogurt isn't mafia pretending to be Artemis.

Nojid is doing some funky stuff according to Kuro and it's starting to bother me.

[CleanOnion]

Demagog being confirmed by two nightkills being old players is completely ridiculous.

Your explanation is not bad either - it explains the kill very well.

In fact it almost looks like the nightkill was selected simply so Link could somehow say Dema is town. This is horribly WIFOM-y which only makes me want to decide on other factors more, i.e. Link jumping on dawn.

[Espithel]

fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ryli (4) - Demagog, skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (4) - CleanOnion, fabian771, Sera, Espithel

Because Demagog is mafia and therefore Ryli is town yep yep obviously e.e okay fine

Seriously, though, if you're not going to take the bait with Dawn, can you at least pick a target that has a shred of merit? Thank you. Whilst Ryli is vague and incapable of explaining themselves (And yes, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LEARN TO DO THAT MORNINGSTAR (Praise the moon)),

To use Demagog's favourite fallacy, Lynching Link just gives us so much more juicy information, although that's not why I'm lynching. Is Demagog mafia? How much has Linkcat redirected us, and how many times did one of us hit a nerve and shuffled the conversation? Because I'm starting to think that Link is abusing his status of root ranger 2.0 to redirect anything that gets uncomfortable.

Also, I just like this side more. 0nion's a bit quirky, but he brings up good points time to time. I wish fabian could be active; my experience with him last brawl knows that whilst he does struggle with activity, he gets the job done when needed and makes salient points. And Sera is meh.

Did you notice how I'm using the exact same arguments against Ryli against Link? Strange, isn't it? It's almost like your lynch is completely vapid and meaningless, which I would not expect from the second coming of grootboomerang and the black despair thing. I'd expect it from demagog, though. Obviously.

[Espithel]

EBWOP: This is why you proofread things:

Whilst Ryli is vague and incapable of explaining themselves (And yes, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LEARN TO DO THAT MORNINGSTAR (Praise the moon)), this alone is something shared by Fabian to a stronger degree, to ginyu and numbers to a stronger degree, and by kdz to a stronger degree with the fact that that feels unusual. Ryli agreeing that demagog is town is a moot point unless demagog flips mafia, in which case, Demagog just tried to lynch him. Very unlikely, people. Very unlikely.

[Ryli]

Personally I am now most suspicious of Ryli. I painted a big target on my back to make me a forerunner to be lynched and Ryli still supported me. A mafia might support someone that is likely to be lynched so that the mafia member can look more innocent.

I felt you were town, and also that you had a lot to say where others didn't. Losing a lot of active towns early would cripple us, and I didn't want that. Maybe I've made bad and inexperienced calls though.

The dawn is mafia claim feels like a strong Artemis bait, if that really is Artemis, that probably wasn't the best way to go about it, unless Artemis followed up with other hints in a public post and I've just being unable to pick up on them.

I'm not sure what other reasons are being held against me, so I can't really put in much more defence than that, currently. Kuro just stated that something doesn't feel right, Link just said that he likes the people voting on me, I'm not sure how to counter that.

fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ryli (4) - Demagog, skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (4) - CleanOnion, fabian771, Espithel, Ryli

I'll make a self preservation vote on Link until he can give me better reasoning on his vote, if he convinces me otherwise, I'll remove and take the fall.

[Espithel]

Oh, sera removed her vote.

Oop, apologies for misleading

[Demagog]

Personally I am now most suspicious of Ryli. I painted a big target on my back to make me a forerunner to be lynched and Ryli still supported me. A mafia might support someone that is likely to be lynched so that the mafia member can look more innocent.

I felt you were town, and also that you had a lot to say where others didn't. Losing a lot of active towns early would cripple us, and I didn't want that. Maybe I've made bad and inexperienced calls though.

The dawn is mafia claim feels like a strong Artemis bait, if that really is Artemis, that probably wasn't the best way to go about it, unless Artemis followed up with other hints in a public post and I've just being unable to pick up on them.

I'm not sure what other reasons are being held against me, so I can't really put in much more defence than that, currently. Kuro just stated that something doesn't feel right, Link just said that he likes the people voting on me, I'm not sure how to counter that.

fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ryli (4) - Demagog, skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
dawn to dusk (1) - UTAlan
Linkcat (4) - CleanOnion, fabian771, Espithel, Ryli

I'll make a self preservation vote on Link until he can give me better reasoning on his vote, if he convinces me otherwise, I'll remove and take the fall.

My whole reasoning is that I try to think how I would vote if I were mafia..if I were, I wouldn't vote with other mafia members and I would vote with someone that I know has a higher chance to be lynched so that I can appear more town-aligned.

If you end up getting lynched and you aren't mafia, sorry in advance.