Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[rob77dp]

The fact that rob can't see that I'm town is honestly what's bothering me the most right now.

Same ol' song and dance is likely in play here -- I am vexed by your inability to see me as town.

[Kuroaitou]

What defense post?

If rob is mafia with Onion, then he's leaving him out to dry while he knows that he's getting lynched himself eventually. Rob wouldn't do that with only 1 other mafia partner.

Spoiler for CleanOnion's "Defense" post:

Kuro, which message board post did you mean? The only two I can see with enough content are Hidden and Nojid, and I'm not seeing anything hidden there.

Dema, bottom of the list seems apt for me.

Link, I did.

It's not just the messages that have meaning CleanOnion, and I see this as an attempt by mafia trying to fish for information from two confirmed townies now, hencewhy I'm changing my vote.

I... what? Seriously?
You know what, go right ahead. If that makes me scummy then excuse me for being curious about your breadcrumbs. It's just as easy for you to be mafia leaving clues for other mafia.

Hmm... does anyone know Onion's voting habits? Does he often try to finalize bandwagons? That's what his vote was. Kuro may be on to something, and this goes along with my "mafia try to make bandwagons happen" theory. If Onion's vote was out of character for his typical voting behavior, I would be more inclined to vote on him.

We usually don't see an active Kuro so I'm not sure what to make of the current situation.

Probably not, seeing as I haven't played in many and the last one was rp-fuelled rubbish. But do try to guess

Prolly won't be back until a good few hours into the night phase, sorry I can't comment more on stuff

The reason why I say it's a sloppy defense post is of one main reason: in the spoiler-

For the orange: mafia players WOULD NOT use the anonymous board to leave clues for their partners. Since this isn't a mafia where all the mafia players are divided up and need to use a 'Search' function to figure out who else is a mafia/titan, all they would do is just talk to each other on their own host-provided pad and communicate with each other in private. They wouldn't have to resort to public encryption in the first place in order to try to help their faction; townies however would.


This push on rob... ugh. I don't know if I should follow it or not, given that I'm not reading rob as a mafia?  >.<

[rob77dp]

The fact that rob can't see that I'm town is honestly what's bothering me the most right now.

Same ol' song and dance is likely in play here -- I am vexed by your inability to see me as town.

EBWOP:
If we both end up flipping and end up both town it would indicate to me that right now the mafia is VERY quiet -- mafia doesn't interrupt, interject, or correct town-town squabbles because they know it is town-town and that is win-win for mafia team... ... ...

[Linkcat]

Same ol' song and dance is likely in play here -- I am vexed by your inability to see me as town.

Now that's just a straight up lie.

[rob77dp]

Same ol' song and dance is likely in play here -- I am vexed by your inability to see me as town.

Now that's just a straight up lie.

How is stating my opinion a lie?

[Linkcat]

That was really a nail in your coffin rob, you know way better than to think I would townread you of all people despite all your mistakes that I've pointed out. Kuro you need to get with me on this.

First time lynching mafia day 1 based on reads, let's go.

Feel free to lynch me if I'm wrong. I'm that confident now.

[rob77dp]

That was really a nail in your coffin rob, you know way better than to think I would townread you of all people [my mistake then for thinking you were good enough as town to properly read or underestimating your desire to mislynch me as mafia] despite all your mistakes that I've pointed out [you have yet to point out mistakes I have made - not true mistakes but rather either mis-reads if you are town or scummy shading if you mafia]. Kuro you need to get with me on this. Kuro - don't just hop into pockets. If you arrive at the conclusion I am the best lynch today then vote me - don't do it just because Lc is pressuring you.

First time lynching mafia day 1 based on reads, let's go. Not if you mislynch me today.

Feel free to lynch me if I'm wrong. I'm that confident now. OH come on, for the love of playing IF you are REALLY town don't offer yourself up like this to get yourself mislynched - if you are town - just because you're trying to mislynch now. We DON'T need to repeat our past mistakes of murdering each other as town-town.

[Linkcat]

I love mafia.

[rob77dp]

I love mafia.

The nail in your coffin, as you would say. Right here - you're fatal mistake!

It should be obvious, but I'll put the disclaimer here anyway -- of course this isn't serious - it is simply Lc giving a sentiment and not really a tell no matter what his primary role/alignment might be and me joining in a bit of fun in reply.

[Linkcat]

So I made this post before I went all-in on rob, but I'll leave it here anyways.

I probably won't be awake until the Night phase.

Players you aren't allowed to lynch:
Me
Kuro
Espithel
UTA
Onion
Ginyu

Newer players that you have no valid reason to lynch:
danil
fabian
1011686
Ryli

Players you are allowed to lynch:
rob
Dema
DC
Sera
kdz
iancu
dawn
Sky

Actual town circle hasn't changed.

[Kuroaitou]

Why are you pressuring me, Linkcat?

The conundrum of this situation is this; Linkcat, you originally were following sky and my lead onto CleanOnion being a mafia member, having stated that skyironsword had a legitimate read. Then, all of a sudden, you pull off stating that no one was trying to defend CleanOnion (or were there defenses for him that I didn't realize?), saying that rob was mafia, which, to me, making it seem like YOU could be defending CO as a soft-indirect move, to rally support on your original target [rob], but then if you were doing that, why even bother to bandwagon on CleanOnion anyway when so many other players [rob, Dema, UTAlan, me even] were also wary of you?

Kuroaitou (1) - 1011686
Linkcat (2) - CleanOnion, rob77dp
Demagog (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
CleanOnion (2) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou
fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
danil (2) - Demagog, Ryli
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

If I switch to rob, there won't be a lynch anyway, since votes are all tied. Consequently, if I change my vote to someone else, we could have a majority to lynch, but each of those targets have reasons not being mafia, so... 

[rob77dp]

So I made this post before I went all-in on rob, but I'll leave it here anyways.

I probably won't be awake until the Night phase.

Players you aren't allowed to lynch:
Me
Kuro
Espithel
UTA
Onion
Ginyu

Newer players that you have no valid reason to lynch:
danil
fabian
1011686
Ryli

Players you are allowed to lynch:
rob
Dema
DC
Sera
kdz
iancu
dawn
Sky

Actual town circle hasn't changed.

I find your inclusion of Ginyu in a position that seems to imply he is in your possible circle of trust (movie reference anyone?) a bit odd. He has pretty much done NOTHING publicly that I can see as a reason why one could even _stretch_ to have him town-leaning...

Lc - can you safely explain why you have Ginyu in the "not allowed to lynch" list?