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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242184#msg1242184
« Reply #336 on: August 23, 2016, 05:46:07 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242186#msg1242186
« Reply #337 on: August 23, 2016, 06:53:40 am »
uhhhh...

Im starting to think linkcat is being confusing on purpose.
I think Dema's convinced me on Kuro.

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Also, remind me why Ian voted on Kuro.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242187#msg1242187
« Reply #338 on: August 23, 2016, 07:43:34 am »
uhhhh...

[snip]

Also, remind me why Ian voted on Kuro.

To get me to talk. So I talked, and I probably made the game less fun with me speaking out regarding the code cipher breaking.

That being said, 1011686, should I die, remember who persuaded you; you can't rely on other people's reads when you play mafia, regardless of whether or not you're allied on the same team as them in other games (RS3).

And to further counter your so-called 'convincer':

Ok, the only reason I could see Kuro post that Espi is innocent when Kuro is Artemis is if Kuro thinks he will be lynched... but he did it when there were what, two votes on him only? Not enough that he should have been scared in to making that play.

We could let Kuro live one or two rounds. If mafia thinks he's Artemis, they will have to target him. If he's mafia, he won't be nightkilled. If he's vanilla and they don't think he's mafia and let him live in order to get us to lynch him, well I don't see it as a big deal, as we'll probably end up lynching him in the first half the game regardless.

The problem with the red statement is that in mafia, bandwagons can happen very quickly for any player who doesn't speak up before the deadline, given how easily people can switch/apply their vote from a few pretty words. As someone who just so happened to figure out vital information at a time like this, I realized that the long-game always favors the mafia when you have very few investigative roles and anti-nightkill abilities, so the faster we get out information (ANY information, including information that is spelled out anonymously, rather than from the policeman themselves), the better it is for townies to win.

To the yellow: You know what's very mafia like? Targeting players who have found clues from the public messages to confirm people and narrow down the pool of suspects. There's four mafia this game (I think), which means that the sooner a player can read a scum, the better it is to avoid having the game thrown.

But the most hilarious of your statement comes in lime green: if it's the mafia, they will obviously know I'm not mafia if they assume I'm a vanilla town! :P

Which then leads to the magenta statement: WIFOM conflicts aside, they're damned if they do target me because they obviously don't know who the real Artemis is, which in turn will allow me (and other more savy players) to crack the codes and find the network of confirmed townsfolk if they don't. What's interesting is the amount of spin you're trying to pull on me despite my more unorthodox strategy (and ACTUAL investigative capabilities outside of roles); Demagog, I don't want to say you're mafia, but you certainly are spelling out a lot of mistakes (not literal, thank you for your grammar) in your own analysis of me and what's going on.

Keep at it with the rock throwing ideas; your scumhunting, as you said before, is bad, but that never stopped you from finding mafia in previous games with your exploits. Your excuses only make you look sloppy as another potential vanilla townie who is trying to avoid death - if you're mafia, well, you certainly made it a lot easier with your 'lists' and ridiculous statements that people have called you out on (Linkcat, Espithel, and now me).

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242188#msg1242188
« Reply #339 on: August 23, 2016, 07:54:38 am »
Kuro, did you read the whole thread?
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242189#msg1242189
« Reply #340 on: August 23, 2016, 07:56:17 am »
I'd just like to say i think all day 1 reads are unreliable.
I still think lynching somebody is better than nobody though.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242191#msg1242191
« Reply #341 on: August 23, 2016, 08:05:11 am »
Quote from: Kuroaitou
[quote author=CleanOnion link=topic=62664.msg1242148#msg1242148 date=1471910096
Kuro, which message board post did you mean? The only two I can see with enough content are Hidden and Nojid, and I'm not seeing anything hidden there.

Dema, bottom of the list seems apt for me.

Link, I did.

It's not just the messages that have meaning CleanOnion, and I see this as an attempt by mafia trying to fish for information from two confirmed townies now, hencewhy I'm changing my vote.
[/quote]

I... what? Seriously?
You know what, go right ahead. If that makes me scummy then excuse me for being curious about your breadcrumbs. It's just as easy for you to be mafia leaving clues for other mafia.

quote author=Demagog link=topic=62664.msg1242166#msg1242166 date=1471914782]
Hmm... does anyone know Onion's voting habits? Does he often try to finalize bandwagons? That's what his vote was. Kuro may be on to something, and this goes along with my "mafia try to make bandwagons happen" theory. If Onion's vote was out of character for his typical voting behavior, I would be more inclined to vote on him.

We usually don't see an active Kuro so I'm not sure what to make of the current situation.
[/quote]

Probably not, seeing as I haven't played in many and the last one was rp-fuelled rubbish. But do try to guess

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242192#msg1242192
« Reply #342 on: August 23, 2016, 08:05:40 am »
Dammit

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242197#msg1242197
« Reply #343 on: August 23, 2016, 09:54:02 am »
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I still think fabian is way too silent though. Unsure about CleO yet.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242198#msg1242198
« Reply #344 on: August 23, 2016, 09:55:26 am »
EBWOP: Kuro convinced me being mostly town btw. Demagog also looks town-y, Linkcat is on the edge atm, but mostly on the mafia side and rob, I don't know yet either.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242203#msg1242203
« Reply #345 on: August 23, 2016, 12:02:06 pm »
Kuro did you even read we have 3 mafia, you goofball
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242205#msg1242205
« Reply #346 on: August 23, 2016, 12:22:01 pm »
Is this one of those pretend to not be mafia by not knowing a key fact about mafia strats?

He also ignored my ebwop...

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242210#msg1242210
« Reply #347 on: August 23, 2016, 01:19:41 pm »
Apologies for my lateness, my tea must be cold by now, I hope it wouldn't be too much trouble for Sky to put another pot on.

 I feel reasonably confident on both Demagog and Espithel being town, so I'm confused about Espithel's vote against him.

Linkcat and Rob are both playing rather aggressively. I'll be keeping a close eye on what they both have to say, as they can pull out valuable information, but I'm also wary of both, as I don't know which side they're trying to gather information for.

I don't think any of the 4 above should be lynched for now.

Kuro has responded well to the accusations against him, CleanOnion has not, so I might be inclined to throw my lynch vote there nearer the end of the day.

 

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