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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242155#msg1242155
« Reply #312 on: August 23, 2016, 12:07:15 am »
A-Ah... Thank you...

I have a maid, but only the one, and the mansion's rather large, so I can't really blame her for not being able to help much today...

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242156#msg1242156
« Reply #313 on: August 23, 2016, 12:08:50 am »
God, so many posts, can't believe I am finally through them. At least the nonsense-posting stopped for now.

Here's my stupid idea:
Wouldn't it have been better if Artemis claimed early and attracted all of the rocks, Athena's Nurse-saving move, and bricks and mortars to create a focal network? The problem is, we can't do that since apparently Pocket Sand users/Theia the Twat can then continuously figure out how to block the focus from expanding a web network.
Athena's ability is EoR, so Artemis would die very soon. Although there will be Hades to use that ability, I do not see the use of this strategy at all. Bricks and Mortars can just as well be thrown by members of the mafia (who have no other use for them anyway); as Artemis, you have no idea who to trust here.
Even late game when Artemis becomes nervous and wants to share his information, he can just as well post in the topic (if he got enough infos to win this way). Problem stays that Rocks/Bricks don't reveal primary roles.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242157#msg1242157
« Reply #314 on: August 23, 2016, 12:20:38 am »
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What was the method of distribution of the items? I know you stated there are 2 of each of the 4 items: 2 * 4 = 8 total items in the game among 19 players, but were they distributed randomly among the 8 players that have one item?

Items were distributed by first choosing the item that was to be distributed, then randomizing 1-19 via random.org. No rerolls occurred, meaning any player, regardless of faction/role may have an item, and a player might have 2 or more items.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242158#msg1242158
« Reply #315 on: August 23, 2016, 12:26:53 am »
God, so many posts, can't believe I am finally through them. At least the nonsense-posting stopped for now.

Here's my stupid idea:
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Athena's ability is EoR, so Artemis would die very soon. Although there will be Hades to use that ability, I do not see the use of this strategy at all. Bricks and Mortars can just as well be thrown by members of the mafia (who have no other use for them anyway); as Artemis, you have no idea who to trust here.
Even late game when Artemis becomes nervous and wants to share his information, he can just as well post in the topic (if he got enough infos to win this way). Problem stays that Rocks/Bricks don't reveal primary roles.

Olive Branches could be used in order to prolong Artemis' life, but then the players who have those items would be exposed as well - okay yeah, that idea was hella stupid. :P

That being said, this right here:

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What was the method of distribution of the items? I know you stated there are 2 of each of the 4 items: 2 * 4 = 8 total items in the game among 19 players, but were they distributed randomly among the 8 players that have one item?

Items were distributed by first choosing the item that was to be distributed, then randomizing 1-19 via random.org. No rerolls occurred, meaning any player, regardless of faction/role may have an item, and a player might have 2 or more items.

This is insanity. What could prevent a mafia power role (like Theia, for example) from having ALL of the pocket sands and Olive Branches then?

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242159#msg1242159
« Reply #316 on: August 23, 2016, 12:27:25 am »
Inb4 Kuro has every single item in the game :P

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242160#msg1242160
« Reply #317 on: August 23, 2016, 12:30:52 am »
A-Ah... Thank you...

I have a maid, but only the one, and the mansion's rather large, so I can't really blame her for not being able to help much today...

An understandable, if not slightly embarrassing, situation. Given the economy, it can be pretty difficult to find some hired help around these parts. That doesn't mean though you shouldn't ask for help from your guests. After all - this party has barely begun, and I believe it might get even bigger as time goes on.

Inb4 Kuro has every single item in the game :P

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242161#msg1242161
« Reply #318 on: August 23, 2016, 12:31:11 am »
Kuro, I really don't see how revealing a confirmed town helps at all. Explain.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242162#msg1242162
« Reply #319 on: August 23, 2016, 12:43:47 am »
Kuro, I really don't see how revealing a confirmed town helps at all. Explain.

Answer this.

Several things, actually:
-1) It removes a player off the potential lynch list, which I know is what the code-maker wants.
-2) Given that Espithel has been, for the most part, a pretty civy-acting town, it gives townfolk a sense of allignment towards who to trust and who NOT to fully put their words into yet. Me voting on CleanOnion can be pretty dangerous, but I'm starting to see how his actions are becoming more and more scummy, so that's why my vote is staying unless I get some -serious- verification on why our votes are wrong.
-3) Given what's going on in this game in regards to scumhunting, being able to do the reverse, or "townspotting", can equally be beneficial for townies alike, to ensure that should something happen to a 'spotlit' target, we can go back on history to see who or what was against Espithel and create new conclusions there.
-4) Allow Artemis to focus her sights on different targets and to avoid confirmation redundancy.



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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242163#msg1242163
« Reply #320 on: August 23, 2016, 12:45:28 am »
Sir, I didn't even invite Linkcat. The gate guard must have fallen asleep again.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242164#msg1242164
« Reply #321 on: August 23, 2016, 12:52:18 am »
Well there's nothing to be gained from pursuing this so I'm probably just going to drop it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242165#msg1242165
« Reply #322 on: August 23, 2016, 01:03:23 am »
Sir, I didn't even invite Linkcat. The gate guard must have fallen asleep again.

Well, it'd be poor hospitality to not treat him the same as our other guests for the time being. ;)

...do you have any sponges? Or rags that your maid keeps stashed somewhere? You don't seem to be the type to have a 'WET FLOOR SIGN' available for messes. Either way, if we can barely handle this spill, think of all the possible issues that could arise once a single guest gets drunk...

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242166#msg1242166
« Reply #323 on: August 23, 2016, 01:13:02 am »
Hmm... does anyone know Onion's voting habits? Does he often try to finalize bandwagons? That's what his vote was. Kuro may be on to something, and this goes along with my "mafia try to make bandwagons happen" theory. If Onion's vote was out of character for his typical voting behavior, I would be more inclined to vote on him.

We usually don't see an active Kuro so I'm not sure what to make of the current situation.

 

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