Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[Linkcat]

You going to take that, Onion?

[CleanOnion]

It's the most valid response so far

[Linkcat]

I wasn't talking about the RQS.

[Ryli]

You'll have to forgive me for the subpar tea.

It's still tea. *drinks and dies* This is the best way to go.

[rob77dp]

Here, I'll post a list. The higher someone is on the list, they more likely they are to be nightkilled in general. This also means that the longer the game goes on, the higher someone is on the list, the more likely they are to be mafia than someone that is lower on the list.


1. Demagog
2. Linkcat
3. killsdazombies
4. rob77dp
5. Kuroaitou
6. RavingRabbid
7. UTAlan
8. Sera
9. skyironsword
10. DoubleCapitals
11. Ginyu
12. dawn to dusk
13. Espithel
14. fabian771
15. 1011686
16. iancudorinmarian
17. Ryli
18. Danil
19. CleanOnion

Well well, very interesting Dema. Here we have something we can hold onto for later analysis after a few nk's and lynches have revealed trusted information ( alignment of the deceased players).

Or not, since if the list was even close to accurate, it is now public and the mafia could decide to tweak their plans to abuse such a list by skipping around a little and trying to shade rhe slipped players to attempt easier mis-lynches... Meh, guess I'll leave it alone then. 

[rob77dp]

If Rob isn't mafia we kill the cat. Seems fair.

From a well-biased perspective (mine, since I am the only non-mafia aware of my alignment), this feels fishy... A mafia/Dema would know which primary Lc and I both are and could be trying to set us up. Pairings like this early in the game, especially of the if-X-is-town-then-Y-is-mafia variety, are very unreliable and should be viewed as sketchy af where not presented alongside a reasoned case or argument.

I'm not even going to bother asking the mafia not to kill me. Athena, you know what you need to do.

Also, rob is mafia.

We're not going through THIS again are we? I think you are just being playful here because we KNOW it isn't a suspicious PM from sky this game (rules, yay).  8) did you have any argument to put forward with the accusation?

Eh, I'll avoid the triple post and go BIG post instead:

1. Do you like this mafia? Yes.

2. Do the roles seem balanced? So far, yeah.

3. Which faction has the advantage? Mafia has the advantage early given the relative information gap between the two sides.

4. If this mafia were a cake, what kind of cake would it be? A cake I would eat slower if I thought I was likely to survive longer... and faster if I was nervous of being killed early.

5. I'd like a cup of tea. Tell me what kind of tea it is and explain why it goes well with the cake from the previous question. Earl grey. I prefer earl grey so everyone else does too? Does tea ever go well with cake?

6. Are you mafia? None of us are - at least according to the answers you'll get to this question.

[Demagog]

Silly Rob, it's not fishy. Everyone and their mother thinks the same thing when one person says another person is mafia out of nowhere. Link seems certain you're mafia, going so far as to request a nightkill save on himself. That's much more serious than saying "I think rob is mafia." If you both turn out to be innocent, we can just call Link bad because he should know that this is the line we will likely take now based on his claim.

If Link were saying he were suspicious of you, then maybe your argument would have some validity.

[rob77dp]

The game started with two A Rock With A Note's... right? I recall from a recent game with a VERY similar mechanic that these CAN be used investigatively.

Holders of the rocks should toss them to players not likely to be nk'ed and a town recipient of a rock should immediately toss it back to the thrower if the thrower is a town player (mafia have no reason to throw ANY rocks as far add I can discern). Also, receiving a rock and not tossing it back I think should be considered scummy until explained otherwise.

Thoughts comments on this?

[Demagog]

Ebwop: <3 Onion. I actually just missed your name when looking through the list and was too lazy to move people down one slot. I'd put you somewhere in the middle.

Anything past slot ~6 up through ~13 in that list are just players that I haven't placed yet but I believe have played in many mafias. Below that point point are players I don't know well enough to place. Really, it's more like 3 groups than 19 individual spots.

[Demagog]

The game started with two A Rock With A Note's... right? I recall from a recent game with a VERY similar mechanic that these CAN be used investigatively.

Holders of the rocks should toss them to players not likely to be nk'ed and a town recipient of a rock should immediately toss it back to the thrower if the thrower is a town player (mafia have no reason to throw ANY rocks as far add I can discern). Also, receiving a rock and not tossing it back I think should be considered scummy until explained otherwise.

Thoughts comments on this?

Either Rob is mafia trying to make mafia members that throw rocks seem less like mafia, or he hasn't put much thought into rocks. Think of rocks as pokes. If I threw a rock at you, you'd know it was me, but you'd know nothing else. It's a completely useless item. We can't use it strategically in any way.

[rob77dp]

Silly Rob, it's not fishy. Everyone and their mother thinks the same thing when one person says another person is mafia out of nowhere. Link seems certain you're mafia, going so far as to request a nightkill save on himself. That's much more serious than saying "I think rob is mafia." If you both turn out to be innocent, we can just call Link bad because he should know that this is the line we will likely take now based on his claim.

If Link were saying he were suspicious of you, then maybe your argument would have some validity.

Dema, you are sliding more and more mafia-lean here, to me... Are you seriously suggesting town lend weight to a hard-claim of X-is-mafia with no supporting argument? On night 0?!

I trust Lc is good enough at this game to have a gambit up his sleeve making such a bold N0 claim (I just really hope is is a town-sides gambit!).

Ebwop: <3 Onion. I actually just missed your name when looking through the list and was too lazy to move people down one slot. I'd put you somewhere in the middle.

Anything past slot ~6 up through ~13 in that list are just players that I haven't placed yet but I believe have played in many mafias. Below that point point are players I don't know well enough to place. Really, it's more like 3 groups than 19 individual spots.

For me, this further explanation increases my misgivings about how useful the list will be, beyond use in reading Dema, down the road.


Dema is right on the Rock... I was incorrectly thinking it revealed name AND alignment of the thrower to the target... Or does not.

The game started with two A Rock With A Note's... right? I recall from a recent game with a VERY similar mechanic that these CAN be used investigatively.

Holders of the rocks should toss them to players not likely to be nk'ed and a town recipient of a rock should immediately toss it back to the thrower if the thrower is a town player (mafia have no reason to throw ANY rocks as far add I can discern). Also, receiving a rock and not tossing it back I think should be considered scummy until explained otherwise.

Thoughts comments on this?

[CleanOnion]

Ebwop: <3 Onion. I actually just missed your name when looking through the list and was too lazy to move people down one slot. I'd put you somewhere in the middle.

Yeah you belong at the top of that list

The game started with two A Rock With A Note's... right? I recall from a recent game with a VERY similar mechanic that these CAN be used investigatively.

Holders of the rocks should toss them to players not likely to be nk'ed and a town recipient of a rock should immediately toss it back to the thrower if the thrower is a town player (mafia have no reason to throw ANY rocks as far add I can discern). Also, receiving a rock and not tossing it back I think should be considered scummy until explained otherwise.

Thoughts comments on this?

What's stopping mafia from just throwing the rock right back?

If mafia has no reasons to throw a rock, then neither does town. If not throwing a rock is scummy, then if anything, mafia have even greater reason to throw a rock than town.

That is, unless Rocks With Notes contains a list of all players by whom it was thrown. However, to my understanding, it doesn't do that.

As Dema says, it's literally a poke. I'd need circumstances in which this would be useful explained to me.