Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[Espithel]

Ok but you didn't answer my question. I want to make a friendly wager. What would you like to wager? I say I'm not mafia, you say I am.

If you're mafia, you have to use the Bueno Pony avatar for all of next mafia.
If you're town, you get to set my avatar to something of your choice for all of next mafia.

Deal?


Kuropost about 65% done

[CleanOnion]

I see no problem in admitting that I used my Brick and Mortar on robby.

The pad is almost entirely doubting each other's claims of being townie, robby educating me about various mafia terminology, and some debating on the Link77dp ship.

[Demagog]

I don't think I've ever seen you start a post with "lol" or "lmao", Dema

Well you've also never seen me focused on this much. This is how I react because the situation is funny to me. I mean, pretend that you are a civilian and someone is completely convinced you are mafia. Their reasoning is terrible, as they are using what you've said to make their case, but your playstyle has been the exact same as your other games, and you were civilian in those too. That's pretty funny, right?

Look at how I accuse others. It's never hard accusations. I list my suspicions and why I'm suspicious, but I'm always analyzing everyone and I only make a hard accusation if I'm 100% certain. Espi is doing the exact opposite and that is unfathomable to me. How can he be convinced when he didn't have the same feelings in previous games when I've acted the same way? I make sure that my hard accusations will be taken seriously. When Espi is shown to be wrong at some point about me, he'll lose all credibility on his hard accusations and not just in this game, but in future games as well. Every time he says, "I'm certain X is mafia," someone can point back to this instance and remind everyone that Espi has a history of making false hard accusations.

[Demagog]

Ok but you didn't answer my question. I want to make a friendly wager. What would you like to wager? I say I'm not mafia, you say I am.

If you're mafia, you have to use the Bueno Pony avatar for all of next mafia.
If you're town, you get to set my avatar to something of your choice for all of next mafia.

Deal?


Kuropost about 65% done

I was hoping that if I'm civilian, you'll reveal your role and items... but that may be a bit unreasonable so I'll except your terms.

[Demagog]

Ebwop: accept*

[Linkcat]

When Espi is shown to be wrong at some point about me, he'll lose all credibility on his hard accusations and not just in this game, but in future games as well. Every time he says, "I'm certain X is mafia," someone can point back to this instance and remind everyone that Espi has a history of making false hard accusations.

Ha, good thing you and I are smart enough to not make a mistake like that.

[Demagog]

It's just about knowing when to make hard accusations and when simply state who you are leaning towards. Not sure people here have realized the difference.

You and I could make the mistake, sure. In my case it would be a failure of logic or a misunderstanding of the situation/rules, rather than someone's behavior. Don't think you'll ever see me hard accuse someone due to the way they behave.

[Linkcat]

Did you not get the joke or...?

[Espithel]

Okay. Had a nice little scan through Kuro's posts.

I lean kuro to neutral-mafia, but could be easily persuaded. I have a more jaded view of people than most do regarding mafia, however, so this isn't a proper damnation. View the translations for a more filtered, not-filled-with-Espithel

Off the bat, my experience of Kuroscum is a little more knife-twisty, salt-rubby. Opportunism is probably the appropriate term, as opposed to current kuro's "YEP ESPITHEL'S TOTES CONFIRMED BECAUSE I MAAAAGICALLY SAID SO YUP YUP FONDLE MY INSIDES WITH A SURGICAL RAZOR COATED IN KY"-ness. This is a Kuro that is taking risks, presenting himself fully, and expecting us to listen and believe, which is certainly not what I expect from Kuroscum. I expect delicious black pudding in every bite of kuroscum.

Translation: Kuro is playing atypical to what I expect from a mafia Kuro, but also atypical from what I expect from a town Kuro. I'd give this an overall town feel, if only for the sheer balls Kuro has to do what he's doing now.

Kuro's codebreaking just baffles me, however.

-Okay, let's assume I'm confirmed (Or as I like to call it, CONFIRMEDtm.)
Well, on one end, why now? Why reveal me now? I'm not in danger of being lynched, I'm never in danger of being nightkilled... What is gained from revealing me now? Later, when my civvi-ness is being called into question, sure, but now?

Except you didn't reveal me now. You just said "This codebreaking of mine makes Espithel mafia!"... Except that's basically the same as me saying "Demagog is mafia because I said so!"* If you're not going to reveal this codebreaking, it is foolish to even mention it. This is what I don't understand, and the issue is I can't complain about it, because a mafia would just kill me off and be done with it, or just not mention it.

*See I can laugh at myself. Still doesn't mean I'm wrong though >:U

Translation: The timing of the reveal of my confirmation is off, the content is "because I said so", and it's foolish to even mention the codebreaking beyond that. However, surely he'd just kill a confirmed civ if he was mafia and not raise the fact there's a code?

What I really don't approve of, to what makes me edge onto a small Kuroscumlean, is this post here.
I've already basically just defeated every single point Kuro's raised, just based on the timing alone.
1) I'm never going to be lynched ever or nightkilled ever (early-game, anyway. You people just love me too much.)
2) I've not raised anything of interest (yet. SOONtm)
3) Waiting for when this is relevant would be much better, so why didn't you?
4) There's only one artemis. This one needs more elaboration, actually.

The shoddiness of the execution is one thing. The fact you claim the shoddy execution does something it simply doesn't is another.

All confirming me at this time does is paint a big red X on someone who's pretty useless. Unless that's why you did it, which is just a dick move (but one I understand, I suppose)

Translation: Kuro timed his reveal poorly, and has not given the reveal proper evidence. This would be fine, provided he didn't then go on to say that the benefits from the poorly-timed reveal exist when they don't. This feels like an attempt at redirection, something I don't like.

Also, Demagog, I haven't even said anything substantial and I've gotten you into this ad-hominem frenzy.
I think that speaks for itself, you beautiful little protesting lady you. Stop getting so defensive.
Also, I'm Civ, Vanilla, no items owned or obtained. There. :D
You could make windows out of my skin.

[Demagog]

Did you not get the joke or...?

I got the joke, I just wanted to continue making my point :-p

[Sera]

There's almost nothing I could understand from the way that the vote ended, but then again the last time I did that pretty much failed, so it probably doesn't matter.
I'll just throw this rock somewhere and read more later.

[Demagog]

Also, Demagog, I haven't even said anything substantial and I've gotten you into this ad-hominem frenzy.
I think that speaks for itself, you beautiful little protesting lady you. Stop getting so defensive.
Also, I'm Civ, Vanilla, no items owned or obtained. There.
You could make windows out of my skin.

Eh, I wouldn't really say that I'm defending myself, as the only person suspicious of me is you and maaaybe UTA still (we'll see after the night phase). I'm just defending my playstyle and pointing out that you're wrong. Making a big deal about it is so that people will remember this in future games. I'm really not too concerned about being lynched right now. There were several other people with 2 votes on them last round.