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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242357#msg1242357
« Reply #420 on: August 24, 2016, 01:45:20 pm »
I basically have no idea what I'm doing, at least for now, so I might as well follow someone who seems to know what he's doing.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242358#msg1242358
« Reply #421 on: August 24, 2016, 01:46:10 pm »
EBWOP: As always, I also think No-Lynch is a bad idea. It lengthens the game for no reason and it's also more advantageous for mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242359#msg1242359
« Reply #422 on: August 24, 2016, 02:18:00 pm »
I basically have no idea what I'm doing, at least for now, so I might as well follow someone who seems to know what he's doing.

Mafia know what they're doing, too >.<

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242360#msg1242360
« Reply #423 on: August 24, 2016, 02:20:31 pm »
EBWOP: As always, I also think No-Lynch is a bad idea. It lengthens the game for no reason and it's also more advantageous for mafia.
FTR, no-lynch cant be directly voted on, but can occur via a tie.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242363#msg1242363
« Reply #424 on: August 24, 2016, 02:47:11 pm »
who thought a 5 way tie is good for town
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242364#msg1242364
« Reply #425 on: August 24, 2016, 02:50:13 pm »
I basically have no idea what I'm doing, at least for now, so I might as well follow someone who seems to know what he's doing.

Mafia know what they're doing, too >.<
Well, if Link is wrong about rob when he says he's so sure I won't be following him anymore.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242366#msg1242366
« Reply #426 on: August 24, 2016, 03:06:08 pm »
Not related to ian's most recent post, but something I realized this mafia is that about half of Link's posts that seem serious are actually jokes and not to be taken seriously. Reminds me of my father-in-law who loves to tell jokes by starting with a story that sounds serious but ends in a pun.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242367#msg1242367
« Reply #427 on: August 24, 2016, 03:12:12 pm »
who thought a 5 way tie is good for town
Nobody that I saw/read -- it was mentioned a few times that ties are currently present and that a tie is NL and NL is not a good idea for town here. Were you going to jump out of the relative shadows / corner onto someone for mentioning ties in a way construable as "good for town"? :D




Not related to ian's most recent post, but something I realized this mafia is that about half of Link's posts that seem serious are actually jokes and not to be taken seriously. Reminds me of my father-in-law who loves to tell jokes by starting with a story that sounds serious but ends in a pun.
Cool story bro. -- -- -- was your father-in-law mafia or town in the end? ;D




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* higher within a grouping generally indicates more town-y among that group
* absent from the list means either I forgot to include them or (more likely) very few posts or "no read" (null) on them from me so far
* vv = I consider them HIGHLY villager-y (i.e. - very likely town in my view); ww = I consider them HIGHLY wolf-y (i.e. - very likely scum / mafia in my view); the list is a scale from vv --> ww where 'n' = "neutral"

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vv:
none yet

v:
Espithel - some quick hit posts, some wall posts, all containing responses and plans that come off town to me. Volume trailing off but still same read at this time.
Demagog - plans of action so far have felt pro-town; has always been town in games I've played and this so far does match his town-game VERY well. I envision a game state where Lc/Dema are unlikely to be w/w and about equally likely w/v or v/w or v/v. 2/3 of these are Dema as town = stays put right here.
UTAlan - from UTA, I find his "I won't post much this game because I didn't win/perform well last game" a tad ~furry for my taste. Nice response from UTA on my push and appears to be analyzing thread contents best he can. Sizeable town bump from me!

n:
CleanOnion - null... volume but nothing good enough to read. He is responding to pokes in the thread and seemingly keeping up with most of the thread/content but that vote on Lc was a tad awkward.
danil - responded 'OK' to the push about "new", so far.
Sera - mid-level volume and nothing of note to read yet, from my view. More of the same...
iancu - beginning involvement here at start of D1 but not enough to read much yet (poking Kuro for activity bodes well though) I consider blindly following someone else's vote, especially a player like Lc known for scummy-town and towny-scum tendencies (good players tend to have this trait?), this early in the game just because you have no idea to be a bit less-than-town.
DoubleCapitals - volume of posts is good but content/quality is lacking and nothing of note to me so far. <-- This is still happening... DC, I experienced you playing that was last game as mafia - but also I recall you sometimes play this was as town. A bump in the scum direction for now...

w:
Kuro - The more I consider Kuro's activity level (very present on his other usual duties... absent this game) the more I am suspect of him. Silent/Kuro I view as tending towards the mafia/Kuro end of the spectrum. I see a few of Kuro's attempts to find dirt on other players as stretching posts or statements in the thread and painting-them-as-scummy beyond where town/Kuro would normally go. This I see as not a method or tactic Kuro used in prior games I have read either town or mafia alignment. Therefore, I
Linkcat - *sigh*, I pause to go to hard on this read yet... but for reasons about his pushes on my very basic pushes lean me this way. His dogged persistence on hounding me, a player showing consistent in-thread desire to analyze and be present pressuring others for input (which is information - now or later) and giving my thoughts and input as well.

ww:
none yet

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~ DC and ian downgrades within same grouping.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242368#msg1242368
« Reply #428 on: August 24, 2016, 03:20:32 pm »
Rob, about kuro... therefore I what?

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242369#msg1242369
« Reply #429 on: August 24, 2016, 03:24:27 pm »
That was sarcasm..... anyway when I said that, I mean a 5-way tie, or anything close to that. I'm saying that such a split is easier to exploit than that other mafia I broke o Day 1.

Suppose I'm a mafia. There are at least 2 non-town players there. I could just come up with whatever shitty reasoning of the day, pick one of the two to swing the lynch towards, sit back, and enjoy. But I'm not mafia, so I won't resort to such a decision. I'd rather not vote than vote with flimsy/no reasoning like, ian, of course.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242370#msg1242370
« Reply #430 on: August 24, 2016, 03:24:32 pm »
-snip-

Linkcat - *sigh*, I pause to go to hard on this read yet... but for reasons about his pushes on my very basic pushes lean me this way. His dogged persistence on hounding me, a player showing consistent in-thread desire to analyze and be present pressuring others for input (which is information - now or later) and giving my thoughts and input as well, strikes me as scummy. Notoriously hard to read, I did hesitate for most of N0 and D1 before even allowing myself to fully try to read Lc. Here is my current stance: most w of the players I can look at up to this point.

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I forgot to finish my thought here - distracted by the ninja-posts. Orange above is rest of the thought(s).




Kuro - The more I consider Kuro's activity level (very present on his other usual duties... absent this game) the more I am suspect of him. Silent/Kuro I view as tending towards the mafia/Kuro end of the spectrum. I see a few of Kuro's attempts to find dirt on other players as stretching posts or statements in the thread and painting-them-as-scummy beyond where town/Kuro would normally go. This I see as not a method or tactic Kuro used in prior games I have read either town or mafia alignment. Therefore, I either Kuro is trying new town game (trying harder?) or adapting his wolf-game (trying smarter?) - right now I lean towards the latter case.

Forgot to finish thought RE: Kuro too.  Green above.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242371#msg1242371
« Reply #431 on: August 24, 2016, 03:41:13 pm »
While I have had mentioned in the past my disdain for erm... posts of little content here but let me play Devil's Advocate for a while. Compared to like the 4 or 5 who aren't posting at all, you have some information to work with compared to with nothing at all. Plus we're more fun to play with, right?
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