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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242307#msg1242307
« Reply #384 on: August 24, 2016, 05:54:56 am »
If Onion is mafia then his partners are doing a really shitty job of keeping him not dead. It makes no sense to me. I really just want to lynch the scummiest player right now, even if it's rob. He was probably dying tonight anyway if he's town.

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Town circle so far is me, Dema, Kuro, Espi, Onion, and UTA. I want to note though that nobody should ever townread Dema, so act like he's not on that list.

I have a hard time swallowing your line here. I would expect town/Lc to aim to lynch a scummy player believed to have a chance to flip mafia. If I am the scummiest player right now in your opinion how does that jive with you also stating here that you think mafia will NK me? Mafia would very very rarely choose to NK scummy-leaning players. Also, if you truly believed mafia will NK me tonight then you wouldn't be "saving them a NK" here by legitimately wanting me lynched.

Good players that are town don't mislynch players they think are town. You are a good player; you are voting on me; you also claim I am a high-NK priority which should mean you consider me town. I look forward to you reviewing this and clarifying or adding to what you stated previously on your argument for voting on me (you consider me scummy/mafia) while also thinking I will be NK'd tonight (you consider mafia to know I am town).
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242309#msg1242309
« Reply #385 on: August 24, 2016, 06:05:52 am »
If Onion is mafia then his partners are doing a really shitty job of keeping him not dead. It makes no sense to me. I really just want to lynch the scummiest player right now, even if it's rob. He was probably dying tonight anyway if he's town.

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rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

Town circle so far is me, Dema, Kuro, Espi, Onion, and UTA. I want to note though that nobody should ever townread Dema, so act like he's not on that list.

I have a hard time swallowing your line here. I would expect town/Lc to aim to lynch a scummy player believed to have a chance to flip mafia. If I am the scummiest player right now in your opinion how does that jive with you also stating here that you think mafia will NK me? Mafia would very very rarely choose to NK scummy-leaning players. Also, if you truly believed mafia will NK me tonight then you wouldn't be "saving them a NK" here by legitimately wanting me lynched.

Good players that are town don't mislynch players they think are town. You are a good player; you are voting on me; you also claim I am a high-NK priority which should mean you consider me town. I look forward to you reviewing this and clarifying or adding to what you stated previously on your argument for voting on me (you consider me scummy/mafia) while also thinking I will be NK'd tonight (you consider mafia to know I am town).

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242310#msg1242310
« Reply #386 on: August 24, 2016, 06:12:24 am »
I agree that voting on rob when you think he will be nightkilled is a bit off. On the other hand, saying someone is a high nightkill priority is not saying you think they are town. It's saying that if they are town, mafia is more likely to kill them, and that we should become increasingly suspect of players that are higher priority as they continue to live.

Want to know what I think is the true strength of the pseudo-list I made? We can lynch players lower on the list, and mafia will be forced at some point to go after those higher on it. It doesn't matter if the list is accurate, we gain knowledge by how they use it. Will they leave up some higher listed players so that we will be suspicious and use late-game lynches on them? Of course. But by then, hopefully Artemis will have ID'd that person or people and we will know. And the fact that the list isn't very accuratemeans we don't lose all our valuable members. No plan is perfect, but I want to try this one. It may end up completely useless but at least it is making the game more interesting.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242312#msg1242312
« Reply #387 on: August 24, 2016, 06:27:18 am »
I can't tell if Dema understood it or not but I made this helpful flowchart anyway.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242313#msg1242313
« Reply #388 on: August 24, 2016, 06:31:59 am »
...I continue to be confused.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242314#msg1242314
« Reply #389 on: August 24, 2016, 06:33:15 am »
Just vote on rob and you'll be fine.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242315#msg1242315
« Reply #390 on: August 24, 2016, 06:34:53 am »
That flowchart is not helpful.

The more I re-read Night 0 and Day 1 up to this point the more I see Lc as playing less like his town/Linkcat style.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242316#msg1242316
« Reply #391 on: August 24, 2016, 06:39:50 am »
You don't have a very accurate idea of my town game. This is me overtowning my town game. The only thing that's different is the surprisingly low number of votes on me.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242317#msg1242317
« Reply #392 on: August 24, 2016, 06:59:35 am »
You don't have a very accurate idea of my town game. This is me overtowning my town game. The only thing that's different is the surprisingly low number of votes on me.

Thanks for leaving me to janitorial duty for the party. I should tell sky that even if though you broke in, you didn't even bother to act as voluntary hired help.

I don't know where the rob accusations came from still (or what post caused him to get fired up on Ginyu even), but let's say that rob is a mafia. What do you think the odds are of CleanOnion and rob77dp being on the same mafia team? What are their tells?

Their lack of interaction so far could be a clue into disassociating themselves away from each other so as to ensure that mafia don't get sniped one by one in succession, but it I'm not seeing that. I'm kind of tempted to take my vote off of CleanOnion, but then again, his defense post felt a bit... sloppy.

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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242318#msg1242318
« Reply #393 on: August 24, 2016, 07:02:49 am »
What defense post?

If rob is mafia with Onion, then he's leaving him out to dry while he knows that he's getting lynched himself eventually. Rob wouldn't do that with only 1 other mafia partner.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242320#msg1242320
« Reply #394 on: August 24, 2016, 07:22:54 am »
Blame it on an inability to read accurately if you want to and I end up wrong but right now I lean Lc as mafia from these observations/reads/opinions:

- I think mafia/Lc would tunnel town/rob in a manner like he is so far (N0 and D1).
- I think town/Lc would spread around the interrogation more than this.
- I believe mafia/Lc would be bold enough to suggest the mildly helpful rock strategy/plan (granted, so would town/Lc).
- I believe mafia/Lc would be bold enough to suppose to not NK Dema or myself while planning to instead challenge himself to mis-lynch us (seems I might be the D1 target if so?).
- I think town/Lc would not go after this aggressive line on me so early with the limited reason/argument given so far.

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CleanOnion (2) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou
fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
danil (2) - Demagog, Ryli
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

While I still really want to see Ginyu get more involved, I hesitated to put this vote on Lc this long because I felt early-in-the-day it was OMGUS but now I feel substantiated enough (despite it only being somewhat thin reads like thoughts, ideas, and opinions of Linkcat's play so far rather than factual mistakes or highly-visible scum-tells from him -- he is way better a player than to make those sort of mistakes any way) to justify voting it.




I'm sure many will read this vote as evidence that somehow CleO and I are connected (which this early in the game typically means a scum lean) but suffice it to say that with players already stating they _suspect_ CleO and I of being mates that I would not make this vote without clear purpose/drive behind it.




You don't have a very accurate idea of my town game. This is me overtowning my town game. The only thing that's different is the surprisingly low number of votes on me.

Thanks for leaving me to janitorial duty for the party. I should tell sky that even if though you broke in, you didn't even bother to act as voluntary hired help.

I don't know where the rob accusations came from still (or what post caused him to get fired up on Ginyu even), but let's say that rob is a mafia. What do you think the odds are of CleanOnion and rob77dp being on the same mafia team? What are their tells?

Their lack of interaction so far could be a clue into disassociating themselves away from each other so as to ensure that mafia don't get sniped one by one in succession, but it I'm not seeing that. I'm kind of tempted to take my vote off of CleanOnion, but then again, his defense post felt a bit... sloppy.

This is a false assertion:
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In doing a few more basic level ISO's, I was looking at the top of the player-post-count list and in your ISO I was left wanting some more from you so I could try to develop a better read.

1. List the 3 most likely mafia players, in your view, from the current living player pool.

2. Which 4 players do you think are most likely town, in your opinion?

3. Pass on the above items #1 and #2 to at least one player among DC, Espi, or sky.
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Re: Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62664.msg1242321#msg1242321
« Reply #395 on: August 24, 2016, 07:26:04 am »
The fact that rob can't see that I'm town is honestly what's bothering me the most right now.
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