Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[Demagog]

Still haven't decided who to vote on... can someone give me the reasoning for CO again? My current suspicions are DoubleC (he gives me a hesitant feel), Danil (posted the I'm new line and seems to have disappeared but I could be wrong), and Kuro for reasons I've already mentioned.

Not sure who else to vote on because I don't expect anyone to agree based on so little... although you guys are listening to UTALAN and his reasoning is terrible too...

[danil]

I would also like to know the reasoning behind the 3(!) votes against CO

[skyironsword]

That's an easy one. He spilled onions all over the floor.

[Demagog]

Kuroaitou (1) - 1011686
Linkcat (1) - CleanOnion
Demagog (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
CleanOnion (3) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
danil (1) - Demagog

If I'm in danger of dying I'll probably swap to whoever will keep me alive... going to bed in a few minutes and I may not have time to get on before the deadline to change the vote though... danil isn't my strongest hunch, but I believe most of you would be most willing to vote on danil over my other hunches at this time. DoubleC is probably my primary just for the feeling I got of his posting feeling very restrained.

Onion, if someone ties you and me together, I'm going to have to vote on you... sorry bud <3. You can vote on danil with me and maybe some other people will join us and you'll get to live.

Also, apologies UTA, I had to skim through the thread while at work all day and forgot it was Espi that initially voted on me, so I should have brought him up instead of you.

[DoubleCapitals]

My posting seems restrained only because of the bombardment of posts especially by high-skilled players, and i dont know, sifting through shit and coming up with useful reads, which I terribly suck at, is hard. Even in the MS forums where I tried my hand I got overwhelmed quickly

[DoubleCapitals]

Contrast with the previous mafia where a) I didn't give a shit at all and b) had next to no suspicion as mafia and could afford to do a)

I'd admit I seem like an empty vessel sometimes. Maybe I am.

[Demagog]

One of the reasons I'm voting on danil over you is that I don't know if this restrained behavior I'm picking up on is typical of you or not. You say it is, perhaps someone else can verify. I, myself, have spent the last several games establishing a pattern of behavior I can use every game. Except last game where I accurately roleplayed mathman101. At some point I'll get to act exactly like I have this game and no one will be able to make a read at all.

[Ryli]

I still stand by my opinion on Demagog being town, so I feel my best options are to help push a majority vote on CO. or side with Demagog against Danil. It's a tough decision with so little to go on, but here's my vote:

Kuroaitou (1) - 1011686
Linkcat (1) - CleanOnion
Demagog (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
CleanOnion (3) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat
fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
danil (2) - Demagog, Ryli

[Linkcat]

If Onion is mafia then his partners are doing a really shitty job of keeping him not dead. It makes no sense to me. I really just want to lynch the scummiest player right now, even if it's rob. He was probably dying tonight anyway if he's town.

Kuroaitou (1) - 1011686
Linkcat (1) - CleanOnion
Demagog (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
CleanOnion (2) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou
fabian771 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Ginyu (1) - rob77dp
danil (2) - Demagog, Ryli
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat

Town circle so far is me, Dema, Kuro, Espi, Onion, and UTA. I want to note though that nobody should ever townread Dema, so act like he's not on that list.

[Linkcat]

Curse you, rob. Making me actually interested in this mafia. I wanted to wallow in self-pity about the last game.

On my to do list - re-read last mafia from start to finish to get a better read on how some players play as mafia.

My reads so far (let me know if anyone wants me to give thoughts on someone I leave out of this list):
I want to see your thoughts on Sera and DC.

rob
Reason for town lean: Very active, not just bread-posting, but prodding other players
Reason for mafia lean: Played the exact same way last game, no actual strategy stuff - only things that look like they help town without actually contributing much on their own
Reason for town lean: I'd be surprised if he rolled mafia again and played the exact same way as he did last game
Reason for mafia lean: Why not play the same way? It's just WIFOM anyway
Conclusion: Right now, I think he leans town. But not by much.
Townreading rob is also something you should never do.

Link
Reason for town lean: Rock throwing idea. I have a hard time believing he would come up with this as mafia.
Reason for mafia lean: If mafia started with one or both rocks, it makes him look town without really helping that much. Very interested to see if we get any rock claims D1, since I haven't seen one yet...
It's already been pointed out, but DC and Sera have the rocks. These being the same two players I asked for reads on is purely coincidental.
Reason for town lean: Most of his posts are, as usual, logical and seem to have a purpose. The scum read on rob seemed strange, but once he explained it, it made more sense.
Reason for mafia lean: "70% chance we're all mafia" is scummy. No way of knowing this early, but might be useful to refer back to that list later on if any of them flip mafia, esp Link.
Conclusion: Right now, I think he leans mafia. But not by much.
Pretty sure you meant to say "70% chance we're all town", which was a meta joke based on the trend that early squabbling tends to be among all town.

Kuro
Reason for town lean: Making reads from the board and sharing with town in a way that seems to make sense/be beneficial
Reason for mafia lean: He could be making that up just to give fellow-mafia-Espi more time, avoid investigations, etc.
Reason for town/mafia lean: Same as Link's strategy on rob, but on a short term. Claiming Link as for sure mafia just to get a read on him (and other players) is generally beneficial to town, esp when not dragged out too long (see: Link/rob)
Conclusion: Right now, I think he leans town by a decent bit.

Dema
Reason for town lean: ...I don't really have any. Except someone (I forget who) claimed he was the most town leaning player. Still, that doesn't give him any credit in this area if it isn't a confirmed town saying it.
This might be the most hilarious thing I've read in this thread since it was Dema himself that said he was the most townread player.
Reason for mafia lean: The "list". His excuses don't really give him much of a defense for this. Sure, I can tell that it's not an "expert" list, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't serve a purpose for mafia and 0 purpose for town.
It didn't say anything to mafia or town that they didn't already know.
Reason for mafia lean: Jumping onto Link's rock throwing plan. As mafia, he gets a lot of benefit of being a "part" of the town plan, without having actually contributed much to the core idea.
If you're trying to pocket me by saying this, you're succeeding.
Reason for mafia lean: Jumped on Kuro's "hard claim" of Link being mafia without waiting for the evidence (ofc, there wasn't any). This kind of voting is detrimental to town (as we saw last game) whether he is mafia or not.
Reason for mafia lean: "You can lynch me b/c I'm useless" is a safe play by mafia. It shows that you don't care if you are lynched, making you (subtly) seem town.
He said this before when he was town.
Maybe more, but I read so much to get caught up I'm gonna stick with these for now. Also of note - if Dema flips mafia, we need to go back and look at everyone who said Dema seemed town and re-evaluate our reads on them. (True for anyone, but since I think he's most likely to be mafia, seemed worth saying.)
Conclusion: Leaning mafia to me. Throwing my vote on him as a result.

I think Ginyu would avoid being a quiet mafia two games in a row, which makes me think he's town.

WIFOM, right? Like, ofc he'd avoid it if he's mafia. So he's probably town. But if he's mafia, he can safely play that way b/c it'll make him look town. (I pointed this out about rob, too.) I don't think it makes them look scummy, but it doesn't make them look town, either.
There's no reason for him to do that based on a single postgame comment 3 mafias ago.

We've never seen this UTA before, but I like it. It feels like he's trying to make up for what happened last mafia. Like he was planning on playing slowly but once prodded he started channeling his desire to win.

[1011686]

-snip-

If it's any help to anyone, I used Brick and Mortar last night

...on night 0.
was that really the best idea.

[Demagog]

Haha ya I when I read that one part I was like "wasn't it me that said I was most townlike? Maybe I missed a post..." forgot to hunt through for anyone else saying that after I got off work today.

And I'm glad there is at least one person that pays attention to how I play, thanks Link!