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Who roleplayed their role the best?

RootRanger (roleplaying as Solaris)
4 (10.5%)
Submachine (roleplaying as Espithel)
4 (10.5%)
skyironsword (roleplaying as Linkcat)
8 (21.1%)
CleanOnion (roleplaying as skyironsword)
12 (31.6%)
Kuroaitou (roleplaying as CrockettRocket)
4 (10.5%)
mathman101 (roleplaying as Discord)
5 (13.2%)
Demagog (roleplaying as mathman101)
1 (2.6%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: August 26, 2016, 06:55:04 am

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240486#msg1240486
« Reply #948 on: August 09, 2016, 06:16:55 am »
If switching votes to me means they're removed from Sol, do so. I'd rather defend someone else than myself.

But when Sol is confirmed town, welp.
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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240487#msg1240487
« Reply #949 on: August 09, 2016, 06:20:58 am »
I should point out that I have no ability where anyone gains anything from my being lynched.

That is to say, I do not want to be dead.
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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240538#msg1240538
« Reply #950 on: August 09, 2016, 02:13:43 pm »
That is to say, I do not want to be dead.

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240541#msg1240541
« Reply #951 on: August 09, 2016, 02:28:52 pm »
Putting my trust on Fippe and taking my vote out of godis. I'm currently pending on seeing if Hyro flips town or mafia in order to try to confirm Sol, but I'll wait a bit more to place my vote.

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240542#msg1240542
« Reply #952 on: August 09, 2016, 02:32:32 pm »
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Putting my vote on JCJ for now since I think he is more likely to be mafia than either Sol or godis.
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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240552#msg1240552
« Reply #953 on: August 09, 2016, 02:52:40 pm »
Whilst I'm setting up my storytime, two things to consider:

1) Fippe being curt about what's so useful about his role implies that Gino's role has a bulletproof, ability switching, AND something else. Probably just Fipples being weird but e.e

2) Andre is civ. I can confirm this thanks to someone who I won't name who decided to PM me (They could PM people, but people can't PM them back). So because of this, I'm confirmed too, right? Riiight?


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I'm 100% lying, of course. But the point is that there are a lot of claims that we're just blindly accepting as true. This is an issue. I don't like just how willing we are to trust words.
Hyro's in particular is... Odd, but we'll get to that when I can give a damn.

3) Is Fippe actually confirmed? All that was confirmed was that he was sera.
Perhaps Link made Sera and Sky different factions just to screw with us? Unlikely, but confirmed means confirmed, guys

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240555#msg1240555
« Reply #954 on: August 09, 2016, 02:56:24 pm »
Espi, I completely agree with everything you said. The other side of the coin is that we're running out of time. We have to weigh the claims and decide if we think they're legit enough to consider other lynch targets as higher priority.

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240562#msg1240562
« Reply #955 on: August 09, 2016, 03:37:57 pm »
And so, without further ado, WHY W³ AND JCJ CAN GO DIE IN A FIRE: THE MUSICAL
Spoiler for Long posts long posts, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come argue:
*Cough*

The following is an opinion piece on why these two should be lynched.
We'll start with JCJ first, hmm? Yee.
Inb4 I don't get bidded into water

Now, something JCJ's been doing for a good portion of this mafia is saying "We shouldn't do this, but I'm going to do it anyway."

Examples:

-Snip-

It's spam, that's it. Not just shitposting, but literally padding the thread making it harder to follow, harder to pick out the actual post to read people, and much easier for mafia to blend in.

-Snip-

Thanks espi for making a post with content. It's a shame you are basically Bloodless-killed. I agree UTA is reading a little odd, but then again so is Solaris so while i don't know what "stabbing him a third time" will do, the fact he hasn't done it yet mitigates the scumread a little.

Waiting on hearing what www3 has to say about his role.

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Something feels very weird about this, but seems like we are in agreement...

>Complains that this feels very weird
>Agrees to do it anyway because what is this thing known as testicular fortitude

there's 3 of us, we could lynch Clean, but Fippe says he's civvy.
Ofc if Clean flips civvy that would make fippe seem more trustworthy
i don't really like the idea of 3 of us changing a lynch at teh death though
See above

So only 20% of roots posts needed to be shitposts? i thought he said only 20% could be legit posts?

Seriously, though. If if I survive I'm voting on Root. How is he still alive?
-snip-
3. This post: -snip- and
    This post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-61-by-linkcat/msg1240045/#msg1240045
    In quick succession both scream scum to me when they are said immediately after a misslynch that you agreed with, but conveniently weren't in the train for.

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(inb4 Link made a game with no mafia)

I always find these posts really scummy and they never are lol

> Doesn't think it's scummy
> Uses it to scumread
(Granted, this one feels somewhat legitimate, but)

Make up your mind, JaySeeJay. If you think you shouldn't do something, don't do it.
People agreeing constantly actually hurts the town. We're supposed to be this chaotic arguing mess that's difficult to follow, not just nodding along, to the point I'd argue that anyone trying to reach an agreement as opposed to pushing their personal favourite lynch target is scum. This includes the times I've done it in the past... Oh hey I was scum then who the hell knew

And the fact you're complaining about everything you're doing, whilst simultaneously choosing to do what you're doing... You're not an imbecile, jcj. This wishy-washiness is why I wanted to kill off mathman, too.

On top of this, I'd like to inspect this post:

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RootRanger {1} - 1011686

I think considering how close the vote was between Clean and Sub last time when Sub was lynched, we could learn a lot by who voted on whom back then, by lynching Clean. There is a lot to gain if he is Mafia, and he certainly hasn't been convincingly town.
Pretty late into the pile. An argument could be made that you're just tacking it on, lazyily but another argument is that this is a pretty solid reason to kill someone, worth far more than just agreeing to kill (aka not kill mafia) 1019346874396. And at that time, you had no reason to believe that www3 was telling the truth.

On top of this, This was the clean0nion train. You know, the train that people were using because they didn't want gino lynched and because The Holy Searcher of the Tree's Source (TM) started it.

My point is, this is wishy-washy, and you're intentionally acting like a sheeple here, even though you've demonstrated with your accusation with UTA that you're not.

The thing is, an argument could be made that UTA's doing the same thing. Unlike you, though, UTA's not pretending that he's not. That's why I excuse him.


Posting the www3 segment in a bit to allow quick responses. www3's the person I really want to lynch, though. I'm just stating that guys, you have some bigger fish to fry when it comes to jace beleren the water fish.

@Linkcat: Are factions tied to starting roles, or are they determined randomly, if one may ask? Pretty personal question, I'm aware, but I'd like an answer if possible.
(AKA, if this ruleset was to be used again, would the same roles be mafia?)

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240567#msg1240567
« Reply #956 on: August 09, 2016, 03:54:49 pm »
Notice: After further research, the thing should read "Why Godisnowonline and JCJ can go die in a fire: the musical"

My apologies; I assumed gino had confirmation by www3, which was errant.

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240572#msg1240572
« Reply #957 on: August 09, 2016, 04:01:57 pm »
I'm perfectly happy for gino to die, i just didn't think he sounded mafia at the time.
I'd lol if after all of this the 3 possible lynches that night were all civvy
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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240574#msg1240574
« Reply #958 on: August 09, 2016, 04:03:08 pm »
secretly espithel is mafia and I hammered him hard N0 because premonitions

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Re: Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62300.msg1240578#msg1240578
« Reply #959 on: August 09, 2016, 04:13:51 pm »
hang on, hadn't read espis big musical post, only the one after it.

Now I have.

Pretty sure if you look at every single person lynching anyone so far, they have been on the fence about it, because we know very little.
I was expecting some elaborate vote pattern or something, but I honestly think my gut feeling post about UTA was more conclusive that this by Espi. both of them are ropey scum-read trains of thought, but i find this simply 'wut'.

I never said we shouldn't do the lynch on fab. I said it felt weird. It did feel weird, considering no mafia I have ever been in before has allowed it. Still think it was the right decision at the time, although recent events make me less convinced about the legitimacy of godis's roleclaim. At least I got on board with the lynchtrain, unlike UTA.

I'm hardly "on the fence" about my misstrust of UTA.

I really don't think my post about shitposting was shitposting, it was relevant to the progression of the mafia game. Shitposting is making a post with absolutely nothing relevant.

Being late onto a pile is only, as far as I am aware, scummy if the person being lynched is mafia. Someone has to be later to vote surely?

Sidenote, is espi confirmed, or just neutralized? because I have been ignoring him as a potential mafia but just wanted to clarify
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