Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat

[DoubleCapitals]

what does breadposting mean again?

[Espithel]

Regarding my vote change that got Sub lynched - I wanted CO lynched, but there was a tie. If I hadn't changed my vote, there would have been no lynch at all, which favors mafia. Not sure how that is a scum move. If CO & I were both mafia, wouldn't it have been a smarter play to leave my vote, since CO would have survived and it would have made me look like town if he was ever outed?

I stated that it was a preventative act, assuming it was mafia. A chance that 0nion could be lynched would not be worth taking. Yes, assuming you're mafia, not doing anything would be better in hindsight, but you didn't have hindsight.

But you are right. This is a very tiny scumread, if that, and one would need a lot more for something worth lynching. It's why I'm poking mathman.

[Espithel]

what does breadposting mean again?

EBWOP:

Breadposting = shitposting. Solaris started the trend when he posted nothing but bread for an entire mafia.
Breadposting =/= breadcrumbing

[UTAlan]

Average # of posts in this thread by living, non-confirmed (aka non-Sera) players in this thread: 22.something (I already closed the calculator).
Members with < avg # of posts: worldwideweb3(8) godisnowonline(8) killsdazombies(9) dawn to dusk(13) Hyroen(13) fabian771(13) 1011686(14) Fippe94(14) andretimpa(18) RootRanger(20) mathman101(21) rob77dp(22)

Obviously, mafia could be very outspoken, but odds are high that they are not *all* very outspoken, so surely we have 2-3 or more mafia members hiding in this list. Root and rob are the only ones on this list that seem to be reading town, imo. (Although I'm basing that on Root's single non-breadpost.) I support poking mathman, though I encourage anyone else in this list to give us their opinions on who they think is acting scummy, what actions they've taken, or anything else that might be helpful.0

IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU ARE NOT POSTING MUCH: You're making yourself a lynch target and simultaneously making it easier for mafia to hide. Please don't do this. If you don't have anything to actively contribute, post asking questions or reveal a little about what your role can do or post some sort of stream of consciousness analysis of this mafia. Don't breadpost, actually contribute something if you're able. Let us get a read on you so we can hopefully put you lower on the lynch list and get to mafia sooner.

[Espithel]

Average # of posts in this thread by living, non-confirmed (aka non-Sera) players in this thread: 22.something (I already closed the calculator).
Members with < avg # of posts: worldwideweb3(8) godisnowonline(8) killsdazombies(9) dawn to dusk(13) Hyroen(13) fabian771(13) 1011686(14) Fippe94(14) andretimpa(18) RootRanger(20) mathman101(21) rob77dp(22)

I encourage anyone else in this list to give us their opinions on who they think is acting scummy, what actions they've taken, or anything else that might be helpful.

I'd like to extend that question to you yourself, UTA. Who do you think is mafia in this list, other than Mathman?

[andretimpa]

UTAlan being voted/suspected/targeted/etc
by Sera in response to UTA's cryptic vote on Sera (_not_ OMGUS by any means).

by andretimpa in citing the late-Day Phase vote removal which resulted in Submachine's Day 1 lynch.

by Solaris because of the repeated stabbings. *pointy knife object image*

What I said there was more of an example for Espithel of why we need more leads besides breaking a tie. I think that was just an honest mistake on UTA's part.

[Hyroen]

In all fairness though, the amount of posts that exist for the sole purpose of being able to roleplay is pretty high in this Mafia.

I don't disagree that silence is not helpful, but I will say that using the average amount of posts to judge who is scummy and who isn't may be a bit misleading especially considering some players may post less in general and others may be roleplaying someone who does.

Having said that, I have called out players with very low post counts to add a bit more to the discussion.

I'd also argue that in this Mafia, where we are supposed to roleplay, Mafia could easily be posting plenty. It's unlikely though. I'd say more info is garnered through what abilities people have, who they're using it on, and how genuinely they're looking for and getting info.

[Solaris]

I dont have a useful role anymore, but I'm glancing over UTA's way for having such a soft reason on targetting me twice.

[mathman101]

Mathman101 (0) - Espithel
(I can't vote.)

Mathman has been extremely wishy-washy and, quite frankly, uncaring about his votes, never sticking to his guns... Mainly because he has none. Whilst he is inactive normally, his shitposting can't be explained away by roleplaying, as anyone with even a cursory glance of Discord's record in mafia would know that she does sweet FA and doesn't even like mafia.

As far as one cares, this is his most damning post:

We are currently still sitting at a tie, which will cause the no lynch.
and as rob stated near the start of the day, no lynches D1 always favour mafia over town.
Is there a way to determine which of our 2 tied is more worthy to be saved for a day and allowed to live?

Current vote:

Submachine (6) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, CleanOnion
CleanOnion (6) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline, UTAlan
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine

Why are you not actually arguing the case for why 0nion should die and not Espithachine? If you want 0nion to die, and there's a tie, stating some actual reasoning would be a good start to persuade people. Oh, it's your gut? I'm so sorry that you don't have the vocational skills to state why your gut feels that way, even if you can just provide a single "rub-me-the-wrong-way" quote. I seriously believe you're hiding behind a wall of shitpost to cover the fact that your average amount of contribution hasn't increased.

Disc-cuss at your own leisure, town.

Regarding the overly enthusiastic shitposting at the start, yes I acknowledge that is not how discord or I would normally post during a mafia but I really didn't want to just do nothing like I normally do so I thought I could possibly roleplay disco's personality with more caring and slight more attempt at trying during the game.

Why do I not state more than just a "gut feeling", mainly because I do not see anything past the gut feeling. I guess I could have not even voted for anyone but I thought would be much scummier to do. I know I suck at mafia, I may have played many times here on the forums but I still suck at trying to read people and draw out conclusions from their posts. My forte is more laying low whether civ or maf, and lurking my way to the end (yes, it may appear lazy riding my teammate success to the end but it is my style).

IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU ARE NOT POSTING MUCH: You're making yourself a lynch target and simultaneously making it easier for mafia to hide. Please don't do this. If you don't have anything to actively contribute, post asking questions or reveal a little about what your role can do or post some sort of stream of consciousness analysis of this mafia. Don't breadpost, actually contribute something if you're able. Let us get a read on you so we can hopefully put you lower on the lynch list and get to mafia sooner.

But what happens if I don't see anything? I have read through, and don't know what to look for, nor can I find anything of use to add. I can try looking again, but sorry if I fail.

I guess I could post a bit on my role. I am Discord (anybody not guess that yet?), I am friends with "literally" everyone, and I passively won't be negatively affected unless it is the mafia targeting me.

[UTAlan]

Average # of posts in this thread by living, non-confirmed (aka non-Sera) players in this thread: 22.something (I already closed the calculator).
Members with < avg # of posts: worldwideweb3(8) godisnowonline(8) killsdazombies(9) dawn to dusk(13) Hyroen(13) fabian771(13) 1011686(14) Fippe94(14) andretimpa(18) RootRanger(20) mathman101(21) rob77dp(22)

I encourage anyone else in this list to give us their opinions on who they think is acting scummy, what actions they've taken, or anything else that might be helpful.

I'd like to extend that question to you yourself, UTA. Who do you think is mafia in this list, other than Mathman?

Imo, Root and rob are leaning town, with everyone else pretty neutral. I suck at scumreading, but if I had to make a guess, I'd say gino (which is why I stabbed him), 1011, and maybe Fippe? I don't have any hard evidence (obviously), so this is mostly speculation. (It'll be interesting in the end to come back to this post and see how many of those low posters are mafia.)

I think that was just an honest mistake on UTA's part.

I get that you're defending me (to a minor degree), but for the record, I don't think it was a mistake. Yes, Sub turned out to be town. But we didn't know that, and given what we knew at the time, lynching him was better than lynching nobody. I am still a little suspicious of CO (which I find humorous given that some are linking us as possible mafia teammates) and that would have been my preference in that particular lynch. But I didn't have the power to lynch CO. I could either leave it a tie or lynch Sub. And with less than 5 minutes to go until the day was over, I decided that any lynch of non-confirmed players was better for town than no lynch. Was that poor playing on my part? If so, please explain.

I'm glancing over UTA's way for having such a soft reason on targetting me twice.

If I were mafia, wouldn't I have stabbed you N2 to get the free kill? And it isn't a soft reason. If I don't stab *someone* twice, my ability is useless. I randomly selected you on N0 for the first stabbing, then stabbed you again so I have the potential to use my ability if I ever deem you worth killing, and moved on to another target.

[Hyroen]

So just to confirm UTA, you need to stab Sol once more to kill him?

[UTAlan]

Yes. Or Gino twice. Or anyone else 3 times.