Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat

[andretimpa]

Submachine (5) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou
1011686 (1) - UTAlan
CleanOnion (5) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline
Solaris (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, CleanOnion
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine

Removing my vote from Sol, since he explained why he target Espithel (still pretty reckless imo)

@Sub: that's the most idiotic thing I heard coming from you. If everyone claims they are jester then nobody is claiming they are jester. Also, why wouldn't mafia be able to claim jester?

[skyironsword]

I believe he considers winning to be more important than entertainment.

[DoubleCapitals]

It is more important.

fite mi

[UTAlan]

Submachine (5) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou
CleanOnion (6) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline, UTAlan
Solaris (2) - JonathanCrazyJ, CleanOnion
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine

[OOC]Okay, removed my vote from newbie for now, though I'd like to see him contribute more. Kuro's post was right along my thoughts. I don't want to kill off a new player on D1 for no reason, but I don't want him to sit back and not help town (or hide as mafia). It's a good lesson for a new player, especially in this format.

Putting my vote on CO for now. Sub's plan, while being an attempt at undermining the rules/setup, isn't something I think he'd propose as mafia. I don't yet trust him, but I won't vote on him yet. CO could be Jester, which would suck, but enough of you seem to think that there won't be > 1 Jesters in the game that I'm willing to risk it. My other suspicions, from least amount of suspicion to greatest: sky (just b/c I can't ever get a read on her), fabian (medium activity, but not much substance to his posts - worth noting that he started the train on CO, so if CO turns up mafia, fabian gets moved to strongly leaning town), and Hyroen (only one post since signing up, could easily be trying to hide in the shadows). I'd vote Hyroen if I thought it'd make a difference this late. For now I'll attempt to break the tie and give Hyroen a chance to make some helpful posts before D2.

[UTAlan]

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[Espithel]

I find these constant [OOC][/OOC] tags extremely annoying and pointless.

Why can't you just roleplay your answers, or better still, not give a damn about your role and play? eee.eee

[skyironsword]

Don't worry, UTA. No one else can get a read on me either.

[Solaris]

Whoops, don't mind me. I missed it in a sea of bread.

it's fine, just don't tunnel so hard on me. I know what wet dog smells like.

smells like wolf

[rob77dp]

-old vote snip-

It will be much more fun to play this game without me, aye? Surely you would fare much well without your most active conversation catalyst and your (probably) only protective role.

@rob: rob please. I am not any kind of protective role. My role suggests that I can only protect YOU (at the expense of my life), and I can protect noone else. In light of this revelation, it would do you really good if you removed your vote from me. >_>

and no, I won't vote CleanOnion to save myself, because I'm pretty sure that he's a Jester. Jesters usually have negative effects on those who successfully lynch them. I won't lynch Sol, because I'm not even scumreading him right now and sky probably has our only investigative role.

Yellow
I was very surprised at Espi's save of me in mafia 59 and from my viewpoint it was brilliant. If you have such a role - I ask if you are using it to the best of its ability? Don't be a Winston that clears only high-mafia NK targets or nobody at all. Right? ... right. (I am well aware that if you value your own living higher than mine then I should drop the hope of a repeat Espithel save should I come to harm)

-vote snip-

There are too much people sitting comfortably under the radar, poking at easy votes, using weak excuses to get rid of me.

Fippe, rob and JCJ are both guilty of this. Voting JCJ, because he's pushing suspicion unusually strongly on me while he sips tea without bothering to vote on me.

Also if you don't lynch Root after the day I die, you all deserve to burn in the boundless inferno. You might as well just vote Clean and get cursed by her jesting charisma.

Beige bold
Regarding this aspect of not supporting their votes, I am guilty only of my vote lingering without addressing new developments. This is being remedied. Also, I would add to a public list of votes-that-look-improperly-supported the votes by Cal and gino on CleO and the vote from kdz on Sub and the vote from sky on JCJ. There may be a few more but I have not scoured the whole thread to find it all and these are the ones that surely stick out to me.

Red
Hmmmm, I have been involved directly in similar past experiences to this. *cough* Lc/sky/rob in mafia 50-something*cough* It did NOT end well for us. I highly recommend you veer off this course _OR_ give it better support so we can decide based on merit whether to consider it. (Note: still plenty of time in Day 1 so don't cave in to defeatism yet!)

Spoiler for Sub's post about what amounts to game-breaking intentionally poking at the rules to win:

Spoiler for Hidden:

It will be much more fun to play this game without me, aye? Surely you would fare much well without your most active conversation catalyst and your (probably) only protective role.

@rob: rob please. I am not any kind of protective role. My role suggests that I can only protect YOU (at the expense of my life), and I can protect noone else. In light of this revelation, it would do you really good if you removed your vote from me. >_>

This is confusing, clarify please? I wasn't too around/active when the train ran all over you, but are you claiming some sort of protective role?

I'm inclined to believe that Link did not put many 3rd party roles (partially for balance sakes, but also to ensure town plays with a "lynch the baddies" strategy and nothing else would sway that). If Espithel, effectively ded at this point is indeed a Jester, I'm willing to take the gander that we can risk the CO lynch without too detrimental of an effect, of course, his roleplay aside.

Submachine: Why Root though?

OOC 2 mafias ago, Espithel saved rob from a nightkill by sacrificing himself. My role is a homage to that occasion. So yeah, I do have a protective role, it's just not really useful, because a civvy will die either way.

Root is intentionally not helping and I doubt that he's telling the truth about his role restriction. Though he could be a Jester too, now that I think about it...

NEW PLAN! (yes, this definitely helps town's chances)

I know from Espithel that if Jesters say that they are Jesters, they get modkilled (let's assume that he told the truth). Jesters are third party if I put the puzzle pieces together, so they are neither town nor mafia. @Espithel: You can confirm now, right? Because of this, it's worthless to lynch Jesters at all, so avoiding them would be useful.

How to avoid them, it's simple. Everyone say: "I am a Jester. My win condition is to get lynched." Real Jesters are not allowed to say this, so if there is anyone who doesn't say this, they are either Jesters or Mafia. It's a win-win situation either way, because we get useful information and if someone suspicious doesn't claim and they get lynched, then we either hit a mafia or help a Jester win. We can't go wrong with this.

Now about those who don't repeat this phrase: If someone says "This idea is stupid, durr hurr." "Don't follow him." "Sub, shut up", then it simply counts as not claiming Jester, so they are either Jesters or Mafia. It can't get any more simple than that.

"I am the one-armed man. My win condition is not losing." Oh wait, that isn't what you wanted? Honestly Sub, I don't think you fully vetted your own plan and if you were to review it then you should realize it doesn't add up to the conclusion you claim.

First, based on information so far the Jester themselves is the one restricted from stating that they are jester. Second, it is your conjecture putting forth that Jester and mafia cannot claim jester role. Lastly, it is certainly plausible that your plan here is some sort of confusion tactic to put out a plan that is not sound in its premises for the sake of tossing the votes into upheaval / jumbling.

[CleanOnion]

Solaris seems innocent enough to me so I may as well retract my vote.

But this whole "I'm a jester" thing is plain silly, and I have to admit that others' arguments make a lot of sense to me. Sorry, Sub.

I may be hard to read when I'm roleplaying but that doesn't make me guilt of anything except shitposting.

Submachine (6) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, CleanOnion
1011686 (1) - UTAlan
CleanOnion (5) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline
Solaris (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine

[andretimpa]

Submachine (6) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, CleanOnion
CleanOnion (6) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline, UTAlan
Solaris (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine

Fixed the vote with the more recent count

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Wow, I sleep for 8 hours then go to see my stepmum for another 8 and there's like 10 pages. Awesome.

My profile picture is beautiful. I am a toadfish, so either you're just calling me ugly, or you don't like my hat.

Sub, i'm so glad nobody else wants any of your meta-ruling either, HOWEVER it is at least something you would normally do. "NEW PLAN" in massive bold letters is the first town-sub thing I have seen from you.
You have also now actually voted, which it didn't seem you could be bothered to do before, something that you must admit would have been odd for your mega-active style.

As for my vote, I explained it completely here, however, since I have last been on, Sera has moved her vote on to... the person who said she wasn't mafia, so I'm even more confused. Deleting vote for now, i may or may not get a chance to place it before the deadline as I have a friend coming over for dinner and drinks. Of the two high chains i'm leaning towards Clean because my reasons for distrusting Sub have been partially answered.

Submachine (6) - rob77dp, RootRanger, Fippe94, killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, CleanOnion
CleanOnion (6) - fabian771, mathman101, Solaris, Calindu, Godisnowonline, UTAlan
skyironsword (2) - Sera, DoubleCapitals
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - skyironsword, Submachine