Elements Mafia 61 - by Linkcat

[CleanOnion]

Caution: if all or too many non-investigative/protective/high-power roles claim then I see it making mafia's job easier in regard to sniping power roles out of the civilian player pool with NK's. That is, if we are letters of the alphabet then mafia knowing that A through S are open claimed non-investigative roles allows NK to snipe from the pool of T through Z instead of the lower-odds pool of A through Z.

@Espithel ^

On an unrelated note, I feel like sky has to lie about everything. It would explain her inexplicable love for the wholly unlikable Linkcat. As such, Sera could be mafia. sky has been rather keen to push the information onto us.

Sera [2] - UTAlan, CleanOnion
UTAlan [1] - Sera

[rob77dp]

No lynch is bad lynch? Alright.

rob77dp [1] - CleanOnion

That's what you get for trying to persuade us not to give information.

I'm not sure if I've mentioned this yet, but Sera is still definitely not mafia.

If you haven't been convinced yet, just take a gander at Linkcat's chiseled abs.

Linkcat's flabby, acne-ridden stomach makes me sick to the point that I'm certain that Sera is mafia.

So far, I have CleO near the top of my "Best Roleplaying" list (as sky?).

Us? Who is us?
A) There is no us (hint: I'm not rob-ithel). Unless... ... you have some Night 0 information that we're on the same team? (Can you safely share such information if you have it?)
B) (A) seems very shaky conclusion because would you vote on your own teammate? *thinks back to who you're possibly roleplaying* Ok, yeah, I could buy that and in such case I reciprocate a headnod of agreement. Same team would indeed be good to know if you somehow know. *refers back to item (A)* **ninjaEDIT: You have since moved your vote making it less shaky that (A) is good logic/reasoning**

1) I do not condone not SHARING of information. I do caution against oversharing as it relates to giving up role specifics which could get your investigative-role NK'd.
2) Sharing the information part without giving up your role itself is what I was meaning to convey. I do not apologize if you took that as persuading to hide information.

Safely sharing information definitely benefits town. Dangerously sharing information could benefit town in short term in exchange for risk of losing long-term investigation information.

FTFM (Fixed That For Me) *this is a revised quote to help CleO get up to speed with the intent of my prior statements despite my lack of initial clarity*

TL;DR - If you have information you can safely share about "us" please do. If not, all is well. I want information sharing to happen freely with restraint ONLY as it relates to keeping investigative roles safe. That is a balancing act of information value now to long term value of the role. I was unclear on this distinction before (Espi picked up on it though).

[Sera]

On an unrelated note, I feel like sky has to lie about everything. It would explain her inexplicable love for the wholly unlikable Linkcat. As such, Sera could be mafia. sky has been rather keen to push the information onto us.

Sera [2] - UTAlan, CleanOnion
UTAlan [1] - Sera

While that does make some sense, that means she would have confirmed me as mafia with investigative ability from night 0, which would not make sense.

I asked to be investigated night 0:
If I was actually mafia, that would actually be a daring stupid move.
If I was a mafia with a way to mess with investigation abilities, then that means she wouldn't see me as mafia anyway. Or she would get a failed result, which probably did not happen, unless if someone tried to protect me. Please don't.

[rob77dp]

Sera [2] - UTAlan, CleanOnion
UTAlan [1] - Sera
Submachine [1] - rob77dp

Sub, I really want you to be town this game because you are among the short list of players I've wanted to play alongside but haven't yet. Given this, I owe you a bit of extra skepticism since it is probable I will subconsciously default-lean you town. Here is a manifestation of that extra skepticism.

10:38:30 PM] ‹Solaris› honestly the roleplay is only serving to annoy me so far
[10:38:53 PM] ‹Solaris› because it makes it ridiculously hard to scumhunt
[10:39:04 PM] ‹Solaris› and in a closed set up, you don't know anything about the other roles
[10:39:08 PM] ‹Solaris› so you're trapped on your own little
[10:39:11 PM] ‹Solaris› island
[10:39:14 PM] ‹Solaris› with no information

Claiming there is no information while this place reeks of potential ENIGMATIC DESPAIRs (Praise the sun):

w: Kuroaitou(0 posts), Demagog, RootRanger, math, sky

Most of the others are in Null and I would be mad to tell who I think are more likely to be town, so ...

Okay fine, I see your point ._.

So to everyone: How off is your ability compared to what you'd think the role you're playing should have?

Apparently Jester is a thing in this setup. I'm having a hard time to tell if it suits my role or not.

I first wanted to kick off today by looking at your reads. So I did. I notice it is loaded with players that in my opinion have a good deal of Elements-mafia playing experience (relatively speaking).

I expect a town/Sub to build this list GENUINELY based on scumhunting and to come out Day 1 firing at some of his wolf reads. I suggest (and plan to do so myself) we take a long look at how Sub comes out Day 1 treating the subjects on his reads list.

I suspect a mafia/Sub to build this list TRYING to be a town/Sub -- several town-veterans in a list to try to capitalize on any existing pre-trust of his ideas? Demagog is now confirmed town (dying will do that for you, I know this from past experiences quite well). Kuro, after his sharing outburst that I see as WIFOM, is probably town (a mafia going that claim at this juncture would be crazy-insane mafia so I choose at this time to take the Wine that is Kuro-town). Which leaves a slightly bad taste in the mouth regarding Root/math/sky because mafia Sub would most likely NOT put together his first reads list having only wolves listed and having them all be town. 

*Please be town/Sub*

[UTAlan]

Sera [1] - CleanOnion
UTAlan [1] - Sera
1011686 [1] - UTAlan

My reasoning was actually to get discussion going and see what kind of defense you would put up. I'm satisfied with your reasoning for the time being (not confirmed, at all, but enough to move my vote for now). Going w/ 1011 now since he's made a single post since the game started. What's up, 1011? Why shouldn't we lynch you?

[UTAlan]

EBWOP.

Submachine [1] - rob77dp
Sera [1] - CleanOnion
UTAlan [1] - Sera
1011686 [1] - UTAlan

[CleanOnion]

I do actually have information.

But you don't deserve it.

Submachine [1] - rob77dp
UTAlan [1] - Sera
1011686 [1] - UTAlan

[Espithel]

I do actually have information.

But you don't deserve it.

No lynch is bad lynch? Alright.

rob77dp [1] - CleanOnion

That's what you get for trying to persuade us not to give information.

Stahp

[Sera]

Sub's reads seem more like legitimate read attempts, though being a n0 read makes it very unreliable. Maybe Dema NK was meant to place suspicion on Sub, so he probably wouldn't do this himself.

Submachine [1] - rob77dp
1011686 [1] - UTAlan

[rob77dp]

I do actually have information.

But you don't deserve it.

Submachine [1] - rob77dp
UTAlan [1] - Sera
1011686 [1] - UTAlan

-snip-

So far, I have CleO near the top of my "Best Roleplaying" list (as sky?).

-snip-

If you keep it up a read on you will be as difficult as reading sky... >.>

[Submachine]

I'm roleplaying a ninja, so you either bear with my low activity, or I run away from the town while you guys devote all your resources to somehow scumread me and then lynch me.

Hi iancu, I'm dad.

(or did deuce play mafia too? .-.)

[Espithel]

we should honor demagog's legacy by using dodgy pseudoscience to make wild guesses at who the mafia is based on meaningless trivialities in their posts

even better - we can use incorrect math and wildly exaggerated probabilities to honor his role's legacy

since 20% of the players are mafia and I'm 100% civ, that means submachine is 70% mafia, and anyone who disagrees with me is too stupid to realize that 100% + 20% divided by 2 is 70%

god I hate playing with idiots

I know, right

FTFY