Elements Mafia 60 - by Ginyu

[JonathanCrazyJ]

i'm voting on you because, assuming Link is not lying, and the people he spoke with are not lying, the logic path towards you being mafia is solid.

In this mafia, you can't consider the piling on of votes to be incriminating, because the mafia don't know eachother, so if anything, mafia players would be MORE careful with their votes, for fear of killing one of their own. I'd be more suspicious of those who join the train once the result is already confirmed.

[Demagog]

Well one of the people Link would have had the scientist target was me, since I've told Link my role. I know there are at least some truths behind his story. Confirming his story will give us a good amount of information.

And Rob also claimed to do this breadcrumb thing in the false start as journalist when he PM'd me. Doesn't mean he was telling the truth with these crumbs though.

My vote can be swayed but right now I think we gain the most information from lynching you regardless of the outcome. You want us to lynch someone else, provide us with something that will give us more information.

[rob77dp]

i'm voting on you because, assuming Link is not lying, and the people he spoke with are not lying, the logic path towards you being mafia is solid.

In this mafia, you can't consider the piling on of votes to be incriminating, because the mafia don't know eachother, so if anything, mafia players would be MORE careful with their votes, for fear of killing one of their own. I'd be more suspicious of those who join the train once the result is already confirmed.

Fair enough - may I follow up asking your thoughts on why you can trust Lc and the 'unkown' people he spoke with? Are you one of them?

[Linkcat]

LSLIISSUSCAWSHAI

I'm not even sure what role you're trying to claim here.

[rob77dp]

Well one of the people Link would have had the scientist target was me, since I've told Link my role. I know there are at least some truths behind his story. Confirming his story will give us a good amount of information.

And Rob also claimed to do this breadcrumb thing in the false start as journalist when he PM'd me. Doesn't mean he was telling the truth with these crumbs though.

My vote can be swayed but right now I think we gain the most information from lynching you regardless of the outcome. You want us to lynch someone else, provide us with something that will give us more information.

I cannot refute that Lc having picked me here ends in the position of my lynch being an informative action. I expect lynching CleO could be at least as informative and additionally point out that I have done more reads, conversation pushing, and thread building this game than many/most others have to this point. Lynching me gives information and also removes a good analytical mind from civ ranks whereas lynching CleO yields good information and removes less from the game. (In no way is this intended as a slight to CleO or his abilities)

[Solaris]

{{I have ONE long work meeting and this develops?   }}

Let's not be hasty (why does this forum just wait for one vote that has a reason given and then just "sounds good yep" 24-1-1 final vote tallies?) because complex and drawn out voting during the day can reveal lots of good information for town (no matter HOW the lynch flips info is gathered by the voting pattern - for reference look back at my efforts and resulting list in #59!).

I left crumbs regarding my role... I started posts in this game with specific letters to match up to my role. I'd rather not reveal it explicitly unless I absolutely have to - is a role reveal what you're asking for here Lc? (it seems that others voting me are only because you are... they've ignored my reads list and are following you so I'd like to directly engage you on the forum here)?

(Note: JCJ, Sol, and Dema get a bump in the direction of w on my reads list for piling on votes without anything of their own thoughts being added or time for consideration of the original votes motives and reasoning. Mafia love to pile on at the first sign of anything they think other town will go with.)

Cool, so I went from w to.... w? lol

I didn't realize that I had to post every inkling thought I had with every post. I read your read list. I voted on you because I concurred with the general notion of the post that Linkcat presented.

Also, basing on votes, while valid, doesn't really apply under the logic you presented, since civs love to bandwagon too.

[rob77dp]

LSLIISSUSCAWSHAI

I'm not even sure what role you're trying to claim here.

SOAB. I promise you the red color on my face right now is that of elemental color.

Apparently in my desire to post crumbs amidst my constant need to have coherent and well-thought out posts with content I proofread out an important first letter in one of my posts. Lc - you did not answer my question:

-snip- I'd rather not reveal it explicitly unless I absolutely have to - is a role reveal what you're asking for here Lc? -snip-

[rob77dp]

-snip-
Also, basing on votes, while valid, doesn't really apply under the logic you presented, since civs on EtG mafia love to bandwagon too without giving some kind of aid/helpful info.

FIFY. Also, why would you think NOT posting thoughts with your votes is the best way to vote/post?

[Linkcat]

What a surprise, rob claimed Loyal Special Forces.

[Solaris]

-snip-
Also, basing on votes, while valid, doesn't really apply under the logic you presented, since civs on EtG mafia love to bandwagon too without giving some kind of aid/helpful info.

FIFY. Also, why would you think NOT posting thoughts with your votes is the best way to vote/post?

Because civs on EtG mafia love to bandwagon without giving some kind of aid/helpful info.

/tongueincheek

I didn't see it necessary. It's a pretty binary decision, that one. Either you agree with it, or you don't.

[Demagog]

I have a request. If we can get only the robots to vote on Rob, and everyone else vote for themselves. That way if the TE prepped his ability last night, we lynch the TE. If he didn't, we lynch Rob. This also means that if Rob is actually LSF and either Linkcat or his assumed LSF player are TSF, they won't gain the +1 or +2 vote power. Now, I don't expect our SF players to agree to this, but it will be easy to see who they are and if Rob turns up to be LSF, we can lynch them.

[rob77dp]

Since apparently simply stating a few changes in between posting of my read list (SOLARIS) isn't good enough, here is an update:

vv
none yet -- no vv reads yet so far

v
Sera - strategy ideas strongly hint at a town mindset, worrying about finding mafia and less about preservation/caution
Lc - notoriously hard for me to read... so far he seems to be playing his villagery game of giving fairly solid ideas and following up when addressed etc.
d2d - took a fairly strong stance on Dema's sketchy-ness about lying as civ (not confirmed is this was true etc) for game-the-first-that-was-cancelled is attempting to keep us all in-line focusing on THIS game to find the mafia in THIS game because we're trying to win THIS game.
JCJ - some critical thinking and analysis of plans/ideas so far without simply pandering to prevailing posts
www3 - is engaging me in discussion about my reads! yay, somebody playing the game! :-) Adding this to the short-post with insight into Lc-CleO activity is nice.
Dema - seems legitimately trying to solve and plan/strategize but most so far is rebuffed or shown to be unpolished or not optimal for town (having this be the second mafia game of Dema's I've participated in it seems quite plausible this is just his playstyle - hence neutral and not slight slight wolf lean from me) // a bit of vote pile without providing town-helping info AND a forum PM to me despite my earlier post that I was serious about not going outside this thread for my play // oh shiz Dema! that plan RE: THE EVIL (seriously, dat name) and votes is quite good - and very pro-active which helps town BUNCHES (dat PRO-activity)

n / !wtf?
JCJ - some critical thinking and analysis of plans/ideas so far without simply pandering to prevailing posts // (// indicates breaks of updates on info) a bit of vote pile with no reasoning. doesn't make anyone a mafia but makes me shift them on my read spectrum
sky - Um, well it is an entertaining way to post and liven up the game thread but is a style I find quite hard to read as yet.
Espi - wtfmate seriouslywth? I gave a bit of effort to try to decipher your messages and found nothing really usable...?
UTA - I'm still leaning toward the state-when-you-are-hasty-searched being an OK plan/idea and UTA used/inspired this idea... so he comes in here with a slight slight slight villager lean

w
Sol - so far just $h1t posts that I see and Sol is good enough to be helping more.. how 'bout it Sol? // w+ now because of vote with nothing helpful to town and then being belligerent simply because I asked for some vote reasoning with the vote - why not happily oblige as a good civ would to help out us civs?
CleO - not so sure his use of Arrest (if this is what has transpired -- that of CleO role-blocking Dema on N0) was a civvy thing to do... however, coming out with it like this redeems him towards only a basic wolf-lean from me; also stated "I'm not mafia" - does helpful-town do this? not so sure
math - no real substance yet... but math is not always the most active in mafia games - gets a wolf-y lean from me for his "I'll be back later to catch up" without follow-up yet

ww
none yet

Undecided / Varying-degrees-of-inactive
Discord
random
Cal
Sub
gino
Kuro
kdz

I have a request. If we can get only the robots to vote on Rob, and everyone else vote for themselves. That way if the TE prepped his ability last night, we lynch the TE. If he didn't, we lynch Rob. This also means that if Rob is actually LSF and either Linkcat or his assumed LSF player are TSF, they won't gain the +1 or +2 vote power. Now, I don't expect our SF players to agree to this, but it will be easy to see who they are and if Rob turns up to be LSF, we can lynch them.

What about any possible risk of the robots now being out'd and delving back into where false-start game was headed with lying robots and town-friction there? (Otherwise, I think your idea here is quite good... is there a reason TE would not prep his ability every night? -- *goes to read that part of rules... yep, 3U and EoR are good reasons TE might not have loaded that weapon)