Elements Mafia 60 - by Ginyu

[rob77dp]

Alright real players... let's get a few reads lists going, eh?

Please post what you've got so far... I'm doing the same here (no particular order within each category):

vv
none yet -- no vv reads yet so far

v
Sera - strategy ideas strongly hint at a town mindset, worrying about finding mafia and less about preservation/caution
Lc - notoriously hard for me to read... so far he seems to be playing his villagery game of giving fairly solid ideas and following up when addressed etc.
d2d - took a fairly strong stance on Dema's sketchy-ness about lying as civ (not confirmed is this was true etc) for game-the-first-that-was-cancelled
JCJ - some critical thinking and analysis of plans/ideas so far without simply pandering to prevailing posts

n / wtf
sky - Um, well it is an entertaining way to post and liven up the game thread but is a style I find quite hard to read as yet.
Espi - wtfmate seriouslywth? I gave a bit of effort to try to decipher your messages and found nothing really usable...?
UTA - I'm still leaning toward the state-when-you-are-hasty-searched being an OK plan/idea and UTA used/inspired this idea... so he comes in here with a slight slight slight villager lean
Dema - seems legitimately trying to solve and plan/strategize but most so far is rebuffed or shown to be unpolished or not optimal for town (having this be the second mafia game of Dema's I've participated in it seems quite plausible this is just his playstyle - hence neutral and not slight slight wolf lean from me)

w
Sol - so far just $h1t posts that I see and Sol is good enough to be helping more.. how 'bout it Sol?
CleO - not so sure his use of Arrest (if this is what has transpired -- that of CleO role-blocking Dema on N0) was a civvy thing to do... however, coming out with it like this redeems him towards only a basic wolf-lean from me // also stated "I'm not mafia" - does helpful-town do this? not so sure
math - no real substance yet... but math is not always the most active in mafia games - gets a wolf-y lean from me for his "I'll be back later to catch up" without follow-up yet

ww
similar logic here to my verbiage on "vv" above.

Undecided / inactives (most of this is due to pure inactivity, which is a common ailment in mafia around this forum)
Discord
random
Cal
Sub
gino
Kuro
www3
kdz


If my wolf-reads are accurate (a LOOOONG shot to be true this early in the game) then it leaves ONE more wolf from the undecided/inactive grouping...

[CleanOnion]

Morning all <3

I think it'd be better to hold off on Onion for now... kind of on the fence because I think it's more likely that an AFK player is mafia.

If you had messaged me and claimed to be mafia, I would have told you I was mafia despite being a civilian. So the fact that Onion took a different approach makes me wonder...

And that's a good point, UTA. I didn't know ties could randomly choose mafia, so it would be better for the two TSF mafia members to vote for the same person.

So being AFK doesn't mean quite as much as I thought. Still not convinced on Onion though.

Thanks Dema
Here's my view on this: Linkcat is a very persuasive person and I'm easily persuaded. If I were mafia, after a few minutes of perusing I would admit to it. (although obviously I don't have any history by which to prove this, having always started as civvy so far)
If I were civvy, there's no way I'd claim to be mafia. Sure, it's a half strategy, but I'm fairly sure it will would backfire (as it kinda did for Linkcat in this case, owing to me). The chance of actually talking to a mafia member, not just someone claiming to be mafia, is too slim for my liking.

But hey, Linkcat's thrown doubt over every mafia member contacting their search victims if I die today, and one mafia member fails to get in contact with another because of me, it will have been worth it. No nightkill so we can afford to lose someone

CleO - not so sure his use of Arrest (if this is what has transpired -- that of CleO role-blocking Dema on N0) was a civvy thing to do... however, coming out with it like this redeems him towards only a basic wolf-lean from me // also stated "I'm not mafia" - does helpful-town do this? not so sure

I'd like to think that civvy's don't claim mafia.... Seemed like an obvious thing to say after being accused of being mafia. Dema was a random choice. Sorry, Dema - though I can't regret it until I know what I stopped you from doing. It could have been a Swarch for all I know.

In response to your post last page, rob - definitely A, it was rather reckless

Apologies for errors, windows phone is hard

[worldwideweb3]

@rob, I hope I'm put down as undecided, not inactive, as you have made reads on people who were less active than me.

On Mafia, onion doesn't seem to be Mafia. I know many people who would do the same. Perhaps LC should have told him his plan after he knew he ain't getting much out of onion and ask him not to post. Quite a few people are posting random stuff with no purpose. These guys could possibly be Mafia, trying to put a code in or something. Link is neutral as of now, same for dema but slightly leading towards Mafia, so is rob. It's just my gut feeling. More on others later.

[Linkcat]

Onion threatening to put it in the thread was what forced me to drop my bluff, and I asked him not to post. He tries to belittle himself, but he's perfectly capable of playing dumb to the extent that he did. He event went so far as to show me a screenshot of him sending a PM to Ginyu asking to confirm his role, which I assumed was an attempt to get me to tell him not to show me the reply, which I didn't do, and wouldn't do as mafia. When I think about it, it doesn't make any sense for him to show me that screenshot as town. (This was borderline, but I believe within the rules since it was his own PM, although I think we should outlaw this as it could set a dangerous precedent of people asking for proof of sent PMs.)

Something else I find strange is Onion claiming his role when he had no reason to do so. It feels like he did it just to seem more trustworthy.

[CleanOnion]

I only claimed my role because at that point, you knew my role, and I thought you were mafia, and I'd rather everyone knew than just the mafia.

I don't recall you asking me not to post until after I'd done so, though :p soorrryyyy

You're right, I shouldn't have screenshotted the PM I sent to Ginyu - although it was just an outgoing PM sent by me so I hope it's not too bad.

I don't know why you'd not ask me to show you the reply, it's already against the rules for me to do it

[Linkcat]

If I was town I would be scared that you'd show me the reply that confirmed your role, thus breaking the game, but as mafia I'd know that you would just get a PM saying you were mafia. It's a really creative way to see if I was legit or not, but I called the bluff so you moved on to the next play.

[worldwideweb3]

I only claimed my role because at that point, you knew my role, and I thought you were mafia, and I'd rather everyone knew than just the mafia.

I don't recall you asking me not to post until after I'd done so, though :p soorrryyyy

You're right, I shouldn't have screenshotted the PM I sent to Ginyu - although it was just an outgoing PM sent by me so I hope it's not too bad.

I don't know why you'd not ask me to show you the reply, it's already against the rules for me to do it

Link said he told you not to post immediately after you threatened to post. One of you is wrong/mistaken.

[CleanOnion]

I've been through our chatlog and while he did stop bluffing immediately after I threatened to, he did not ask me or tell me not to

[Demagog]

So Gino's pmde and said he didn't have an ability. Ginyu told me everyone has one. Very suspicious.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Special Forces are Passive, but yeah, that's dodgey, because:

"Scripted unique roles: Officer, Judge, Nurse, Paranoiac.
Any other role, except for Unemployed, is also in the game, but their exact number will not be told."

[rob77dp]

@rob, I hope I'm put down as undecided, not inactive, as you have made reads on people who were less active than me.

On Mafia, onion doesn't seem to be Mafia. I know many people who would do the same. Perhaps LC should have told him his plan after he knew he ain't getting much out of onion and ask him not to post. Quite a few people are posting random stuff with no purpose. These guys could possibly be Mafia, trying to put a code in or something. Link is neutral as of now, same for dema but slightly leading towards Mafia, so is rob. It's just my gut feeling. More on others later.

www3 -- I would notably disagree with your assertion of being more active than my other reads... can you expand on it for me? Here is a handy list of your posts since the re-start (all activity prior is of no import to current game/reads/play):

Claiming your old-game role (Which is something that can neither be proven nor disproved until end of game)

Your statement of being active enough that I should provide a read on you (I think this list shows that to be most false)

A small post about the on-going Lc-CleO-thing

[worldwideweb3]

@rob, I hope I'm put down as undecided, not inactive, as you have made reads on people who were less active than me.

On Mafia, onion doesn't seem to be Mafia. I know many people who would do the same. Perhaps LC should have told him his plan after he knew he ain't getting much out of onion and ask him not to post. Quite a few people are posting random stuff with no purpose. These guys could possibly be Mafia, trying to put a code in or something. Link is neutral as of now, same for dema but slightly leading towards Mafia, so is rob. It's just my gut feeling. More on others later.

www3 -- I would notably disagree with your assertion of being more active than my other reads... can you expand on it for me? Here is a handy list of your posts since the re-start (all activity prior is of no import to current game/reads/play):

Claiming your old-game role (Which is something that can neither be proven nor disproved until end of game)

Your statement of being active enough that I should provide a read on you (I think this list shows that to be most false)

A small post about the on-going Lc-CleO-thing

you gave reads on people who had posted less at the time. you gave a read on d2d based on his stancre against him. I'm pretty sure my stance was the same.  Also, you said you gave reads on stuff that happened after restart, in which case, what is this "d2d - took a fairly strong stance on Dema's sketchy-ness about lying as civ (not confirmed is this was true etc) for game-the-first-that-was-cancelled"