Elements Mafia 60 - by Ginyu

[Demagog]

The rules explicitly state that arrest prevents voting for night kills. And if there are no votes, no one dies. As long as Onion did what he claimed, Kuro is in the clear. Unfortunately we can't know if Onion targeted Kuro, we just have to take him for his word.

[Espithel]

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (1) - Espithel

State your target, or die.
Because you didn't tell me or dema it.

[Kuroaitou]

EBWOP: WHAT?

So Kuro is not confirmed.

Okay... honestly. 

Despite my secret efforts to help Linkcat in private win the game by giving whatever info he needed in regards to roles, getting arrested to prove I'm innocent, and trying to keep discussion going (with a grace period by Ginyu), if you're still not convinced then I have no idea what to say to you, jcj.

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (1) - Espithel

State your target, or die.
Because you didn't tell me or dema it.

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (2) - Espithel, Kuroaitou

Pressure vote to figure out what the hell just happened.

[Demagog]

Ok so Kuro isn't 100% logically confirmed, but we'll ignore him as a possible mafia for now.

I'd like to hold off on Discord for now. I'd like an answer but we aren't pressed for time just yet, and if Discord is civ police, she's dying tonight via mafia.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

The rules explicitly state that arrest prevents voting for night kills. And if there are no votes, no one dies. As long as Onion did what he claimed, Kuro is in the clear. Unfortunately we can't know if Onion targeted Kuro, we just have to take him for his word.

Finish reading Ginyu's post.

"would block each other, but the Nightkill is higher in the ability order list (yes, the Nightkill is not an ability, but it needed a place in this list)."

This doesn't make sense to me. If arrest can stop the nightkill, it has a higher priority, or it would come into effect AFTER the nightkill. However, this is the interpretation the host has, so it means Kuro could have been the mafia. No more likely than anyone else however. I think kuro is 95% likely to be town, but CONFIRMED is a status only afforded by 100% certainty.

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (2) - Espithel, Kuroaitou
Espithel (1) - JonathanCrazyJ

Being very hasty considering the day has JUST started, and she can send her target to Calindu by PM. What if people follow suit with that vote, then afk and don't change vote when she's given her target?

[Solaris]

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (2) - Espithel, Kuroaitou
Espithel (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
Solaris (1) - Solaris

[Espithel]

Why would I out that Discord is a policeman if I was mafia?
I would just kill her. ._.

[Ginyu]

The rules explicitly state that arrest prevents voting for night kills. And if there are no votes, no one dies. As long as Onion did what he claimed, Kuro is in the clear. Unfortunately we can't know if Onion targeted Kuro, we just have to take him for his word.

[01:27:57] ‹Ginyu› If two abilities go against each other, the one higher on the order list gets the advantage.
[01:28:04] ‹Ginyu› That is why we have the order list.

Of course, this scenario only appears if the nightkill target is the Policeman, otherwise the Arrest wouldn't be blocked by it and negate the vote. The same would happen if the Policeman arrested the Clairvoyant who tried to protect themself. However, if the arrest target is a third person, the Forewarn would not be blocked (as the Clairvoyant is not the target of Arrest), and the target would be safe.

I hope I could clear that up now, and sorry for the misunderstandings.

[Demagog]

Go ahead and remove votes from Discord for now. It's beneficial for Discord to not reveal the information, as she can PM it to Calindu who can form an alliance. It is a terrible idea for the mafia to allow Discord to live, as the alliance will become too big for the mafia to win. If Discord isn't killed we can wait a couple more day phases to lynch because we have 9 people alive right now.

[Demagog]

Basically, if Discord is civilian, the longer she lives the more impossible it is for mafia. If Discord is mafia, the longer she lives the more obvious it is that she is mafia.

[Espithel]

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Discord (1) - Kuroaitou
Espithel (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
Solaris (1) - Solaris
Sera (1) - Espithel

Actually, I find logic in what has been said. Killing off sera due to inactivity reasons.

[Kuroaitou]

Why would I out that Discord is a policeman if I was mafia?
I would just kill her. ._.

Unless you're a bad/crazy mafia member?

...also, if you were a mafia, I imagine this would give you an incentive to avoid killing her anyway, because she can't/wouldn't want to confirm you due to Paranoiac as a safety mechanism against being found out.

In any case:

dawn to dusk (1) - Demagog
Espithel (1) - JonathanCrazyJ
Solaris (1) - Solaris
Sera (1) - Espithel

I'm going to read back and see what's been happening.