Elements Mafia 59 - by RootRanger

[Demagog]

Or we can roll one die one more time and that number would replace one of the 6's in that first roll I made. Up to you guys, as I know my reroll was unbiased so I'd prefer to keep the original "5 separate numbers" roll.

If it helps, whoever has a victory cigarette can target me tonight. You'll all see that I'm a civilian and that the roll is unbiased. That does harm the overall plan, in that there is less of a buffer in the event that no mafia are in the list. As it stands, the mafia won't be killing me tonight, since leaving me alive is their best bet at throwing doubt on this plan.

[Linkcat]

Except for the part where DM (who is not playing) and I both agreed that repeats would be rerolled before I made any rolls. We took the first one without any repeats, just as we said we would.

The method was not specified.

And while I agree that I could have just done 1 die roll to get a 5th number on that roll, that thought did not occur to me,

Same here, a complete reroll took me by surprise.

and it wasn't brought up in chat that I noticed.

Neither method was brought up in chat.

Also, you would have still been one of the people in that list, so I'm not sure why you are complaining.

I'm complaining because you could have purposefully rerolled a result that had mafia in it.

If it helps, whoever has a victory cigarette can target me tonight. You'll all see that I'm a civilian and that the roll is unbiased.

This is a terrible idea, and nobody would go through with it. You're just trying to appear town by volunteering to be killed.

[Demagog]

If someone goes through with it, you lose a vanilla civ without an item (me) and the ability to kill someone by choice. And I'm not trying to appear to be a civ, I'm trying to ensure that my plan is utilized, as I feel that its use is how I can best contribute.

Now, your suggestion to reroll one time to replace one of the 6's in that initial roll does make the most sense if we were emulating 5 separate rolls. I agree with that completely. Dm, the impartial observer, was the one that said to reroll, and I just did the easiest thing without putting thought in to it. I'm perfectly fine with it if we simply reroll to replace one 6 in that initial roll (Linkcat is 6 so him pushing this change isn't that biased, and if he does turn out to be mafia, we can look to see who else was in the "rerolled" list to see who he was trying to save from being killed).

So ya, I'm all for a 1 number reroll to replace the 6, but I'm sure I look "biased" to most people, so let's come to a decision together. I don't even have to be the person that rolls it, as long as the entire chat log from the roll is posted (and all rolls in relation to mafia must be posted, as they have been so far, to my knowledge).

[Demagog]

We can even start a vote on this now, as it does not matter until the day phase on what we decide. Also, as a reminder, if anyone in the list we come up with is night killed tonight, we can simply roll for one random person to get back up to 5 initial people.

I'll start a vote here with the available options, but feel free to add an option if you think there is another viable one:

Voting:
No 5 player list (0) -
Keep list of 5 players Demagog posted (0) -
Reroll one of the 6's in the initial roll and use that roll instead of the rerolled list (1) - Demagog
Completely new roll (0) -

I'm going with that one because it actually does make the most sense if I had gone with my initial plan to do 5 completely separate rolls.

[Linkcat]

I have never pushed for rolling one additional number for the first roll and using that list. I am pushing for scrapping the plan altogether. I'm writing up the post now.

[Demagog]

Whether you pushed for it or not, I think it's the best choice. If you don't want to use the plan, you don't have to.

[Kuroaitou]

*munches popcorn*

I wonder if Demagog will be one of the few to get the 'Neon Flashing Light' achievement for this mafia.

[Demagog]

Ooh what's that?

[Kuroaitou]

Ooh what's that?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l054E5fOVDGl2hi52MQnuhs17tl5Oa8Vr69z5LsbUHE/edit#gid=1129660318

I meant to say 'Flashing Neon Sign', but same difference.

[Linkcat]

I have it, and I can tell you that it takes a lot of skill to get. I think you might be good enough, though.

[Demagog]

Haha I'm fine with dying because it might reveal some useful information in regards to the rolls, once it's discovered I'm a civ. And I would have it also, I'm sure, but that spreadsheet is not old enough.

Me dying is like saying "everything he said was right and his rolls were obviously unbiased, let's implement his plan." My entire strategy is getting us to use my plan; I'll die for it if I must!

Still waiting on this super long post of yours....

[Linkcat]

It's not terribly long, I just don't want to polish it up on the bus.

For those who didn't click the link, Flashing Neon Sign is the achievement for getting killed as mafia on Day or Night 1.