Elements Mafia 59 - by RootRanger

[Solaris]

Playing Mafia as Werewolf for Dummies, by Sky I. Sword. Nonfiction. How-to. 3 out of 4 available.

[mathman101]

I'll grab one of those copies if there are any left

[skyironsword]

I'll grab one of those copies if there are any left

You already did. That's why only 3 out of 4 are available.

[Solaris]

I'm noticing a conspiracy here... Notice how mathman requests a copy of "Playing Mafia as Werewolf for Dummies", by Sky I. Sword... Sky I. Sword means skyironsword... skyironsword's favorite element is ... mathman's favorite element is ... You know who sky keeps defending? That's right, killsdazombies. Whats the favorite element on his profile? . 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. There's 3 sides to a triangle...

[Solaris]

= ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

[mathman101]

= ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

 the code has been cracked, you are now next on our conversion hitlist train!

[rob77dp]

Before I forget - I sent out a message to a few players, in a very tasteful manner and transparent manner, and here I am following Host's direction (hint: the action was legal and here is the post to prove/finalize).  Otherwise, nothing to see here except me doing some work as confirmed Brotherhood.

[mathman101]

Ok, so Calin was found to be mafia.

Who voted on saving him or on the other people throughout the day:
Calins vote started here by sky

Sola tried to defend Calin by accusing sky of "fishy" voting here

Calin tied voting 2-2 by voting on Physs here to try to save himself. (or was he tying the votes knowing Physs would die over him)

Rob pushed Physs over Calin 3-2 here.  (But isn't rob a confirmed civ, so maybe Physs needs looking into tomorrow.) then followed  by a few other because rob seems confirmed civ and lets play follow the leader.

And now we hit the tipping point from where 5 votes on Physs and 2 on Calin to a quick reverse of 3 votes Physs to 4 votes Calin with most people playing follow the leader with rob.


Also here Sola tries to defend Calin over Physs seeming scummy.


Here I mention to take a good look at Sola depending on the Physs/Calin outcome. I still feel that since Calin rolled town Sola should be looked at, was he defending Calin?

Only here does Sola finally switch over his vote from Physs to Calin when there is more than 6 people already voting for Calin.


TL:DR

The main thing I'm looking at is that Sola is seeming extremely scummy based on the way he acted trying to protect Calin until the end when Calin was a confirmed vote wagon.

[rob77dp]

First off, let's not conclusively give away ANY surefire next-day lynch targets... IP have 1 Propaganda available to them (Phys' stolen one if Phys is honest with Jenkar dying with one earlier) and at least 1 Victory Gin (if not 2 of one or both!) so letting them know when/who to Gin/Prop is a bad idea -- rather make them guess like good BH'ers we are.

**Updating my list as follows**
If I had to guess, I think most or all of IP are in this group:

Cal - flipped IP on Day 6 lynch
{3 of these 4, by my estimation}
kinky
Zawadx
Cal
Ginyu
Solaris


Formatted:
BH!
myself

BH+
sky
kdz

BH
dawn

n
math
gino

n-
Physsion

IP
Solaris***

IP+
Ginyu
Zawadx
kinky

IP!
Calindu

Changes explained:
* sky -- started vote train confidently on an IP... if any player here would bus a fellow IP it might be sky however I'm a fan of her play this game so far... solidifies her into my 'lock Brotherhood' (not confirmed per se) status
* kdz -- ISO of kdz's posts aligns him quite well with myself, all dead BH to date, and sky... solidifying him into my 'basically a lock Brotherhood' category
+ dawn -- read more closely how other players I value highly as Brotherhood-leans addressed dawn and his difficulty connecting to vote/comment/etc.
+/- Ginyu -- up for finally posting something, no credit for non-vote type post, and downgrade back to un-moved-from-previous-IP+ status due to IoA of post (information over analysis). Ginyu, can you give more analysis and less 'plain information'?
- Zawadx -- This vote swap late smacks of IP hot potato wagon hopping... that is, gotta get off the dwindling wagon on Phys that had Cal/Sol/kinky/Zawad on it near the end - IP would know if Cal is as-good-as-dead (AGAD?) and going to flip IP. Zawadx, can you explain a little this vote change and the nature of it?
* kinky -- no change in status but give similar consideration to kinky's vote change here as we are to Zawadx's vote change.
I'm not going to mention specific targets now but I trust those that live on (if I should get NK'd) to be able to parse my list for how to shake it down, eh?

***ISO on Solaris forthcoming...

[mathman101]

Here I mention to take a good look at Sola depending on the Physs/Calin outcome. I still feel that since Calin rolled Mafia, Sola should be looked at. was he defending Calin?

oops, got distracted mid-way through writing. this is what I meant.

[Solaris]

@mathman I find it very odd that you're tunneling super hard on me when other players have voted on Physsion, then swapped to Calin later on in the lynch phase. I swapped votes because it occurred to me that...
IP has access to Propaganda (for sure, since Physs said it was stolen from him)/potentially Gin (do we have anything solid that confirms this? I haven't had anything stolen from me.), which allows them to swing votes very easily, especially if used in unison.
Additionally, I was defending Calin, because as rob had stated earlier (as well as myself!), he had some BH sentiments to his posts, and as I said, just seemed to get caught up in the mix of things. Obviously, this will make me look bad on the flip, but can't y'all have some faith?

@rob *eats bread*

This will all make sense.

[rob77dp]

Ok, so Calin was found to be mafia. I agree.

Who voted on saving him or on the other people throughout the day:
Calins vote started here by sky A main reason I'm so bullish on sky right now, among other written reasons.

Sola tried to defend Calin by accusing sky of "fishy" voting here The beginning of my serious consideration for Sol in my suspicions list.

Calin tied voting 2-2 by voting on Physs here to try to save himself. (or was he tying the votes knowing Physs would die over him) Face value in the moment it made sense he was just saving his bacon... but saving bacon in the face of scum-hunting can be a scumtell too... turns out it was in this case.

Rob pushed Physs over Calin 3-2 here.  (But isn't rob a confirmed civ, so maybe Physs needs looking into tomorrow. Due to his inactivity so much until just lately I'm a bit shy about reading Phys strongly but his reactivation  post(s) seem kosher to me.) then followed  by a few other because rob seems confirmed civ and lets play follow the leader. I'm trying not to just lock in on a vote the whole day as confirmed BH I can do a bit of hopping in a very benign manner that forces IP to make decisions we can analyze later.

And now we hit the tipping point from where 5 votes on Physs and 2 on Calin to a quick reverse of 3 votes Physs to 4 votes Calin with most people playing follow the leader with rob.
With Cal flipping IP, this exchange noted by math warms my BH heart quite a bit.

Also here Sola tries to defend Calin over Physs seeming scummy.
Math, you're hitting my Sol points for me... get ready to reply Sol so we can vet it.

Here I mention to take a good look at Sola depending on the Physs/Calin outcome. I still feel that since Calin rolled town scum (FTFY) Sola should be looked at, was he defending Calin? Refer to my read-shift on Sol.

Only here does Sola finally switch over his vote from Physs to Calin when there is more than 6 people already voting for Calin. THis could be an attempt to not get left on the Phys wagon when Cal flips IP.


TL:DR

The main thing I'm looking at is that Sola is seeming extremely scummy based on the way he acted trying to protect Calin until the end when Calin was a confirmed vote wagon.

My takes on math's rundown/takes...