Elements Mafia 58 - by skyironsword

[dawn to dusk]

So I just realised that it is LyLo, posting new plan

[dawn to dusk]

Onion is probably mafia. I have no way to prove that I am not mafia, but assuming that I'm not, and that dd specifies that EITHER Onion or Link are mafia, then Link isn't. Mafia isn't stupid, and won't vote for Link to force BM onto the rest of the civs. I cannot say enough that if dd was mafia, he would refrain from talking today, and would proceed to kill a civ and win the game, so I highly doubt that he is mafia.

ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, CleanOnion
Linkcat (1) - ddevans96
CleanOnion (1) - dawn to dusk

There is no 3rd mafia member I am 99% sure.

Please follow me here. I understand that this is potentially a scummy move, however there are 5 players currently in the game, and if we get this wrong, we lose. There are 2 mafia, and 3 civ. There are 2 options that we have. Either we ALL vote Link, he is outed as Brawlmaster or mafia. If the latter, we have another day. If the former, we leave it to chance, and there is a 50/50 chance either team wins (though Link is analytical enough not to be stupid).

But Onion is most likely mafia, which is why my vote is on him.

Ugh, splitting the voting isn't going to get anybody lynched

ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, CleanOnion

This post is why. He takes his vote off Link, knowing that he is Brawlmaster, and puts it on a Lynch train to get dd killed. Which I have said before, dd is probably not mafia as he is the one trying the hardest to keep the civilians alive by sparking discussion.

[dawn to dusk]

I would like a day extension, but I think we need to vote on it or something

Vote Extension (1) dawn to dusk

[skyironsword]

Extended by 1 day.

[ddevans96]

Finally, someone reasonable. Praise dawn.

Link, I'll respond to your post thoroughly at a computer, although if you honestly think I haven't done much until today, then you're delusional. I've been pushing for discussion for a while, with no significant response until dawn's posts.

Move my vote to CO, please.

[Submachine]

Move my vote to CO, please.

ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, CleanOnion
CleanOnion (1) - ddevans96

[CleanOnion]

Alright, time to fess up. I don't see this game going anywhere helpful without a little honesty.

Bullshit. You're just trying to protect yourself.

ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat [1] - CleanOnion

I said this because I know for a fact that Linkcat is not the Brawlmaster. I know this because I'm the Brawlmaster.

I was hoping to be able to actually use my one ability at some point so there's no way I was coming clean earlier. But now that y'all are voting on me I see I'm more useful as a town vote than a random killer.

So that leaves us with three possibilities:

- I'm the Brawlmaster and Linkcat is something else.
- I'm the Brawlmaster and Linkcat is Master of Water, and hence dd is something else.
- I'm the Master of Water and Linkcat is Brawlmaster, and dd is something.

After Linkcat "outed" himself as the Brawlmaster he and I had a little conversation. I'm not allowed to quote it so I'll say this: both of us genuinely believe we're the Brawlmaster. So one of us is the Master of Water. Linkcat raised the idea of dd being mafia and given the amount of conversation he's produced, it would make sense.

Which means dd was lying about his role, that's why I changed my vote. Not because of some flimsy "gotta lynch someone" excuse.

And my vote will stay there until dd tells us who he really is

Corrected votes because Vote Extension isn't a player:

ddevans96 [2] - Linkcat, CleanOnion
CleanOnion [2] - dawn to dusk, ddevans96

[ddevans96]

The role given to me is Master of Darkness. Since another player was revealed to be Master of Darkness, I must be Master of Water. I see no other possibility, as I stated earlier in the thread, and no possibility was provided to me by another player.

So, from my point of view, I am absolutely positive either CO is lying, or Link is lying. Thus I stand by my original belief that either of them (not both, if that requires clarity) is mafia.

[ddevans96]

Also, for the sake of transparency, I believe Link is mafia, not CO. Link has twice in this game chosen to defer sharing of information. Once with his RQS, and once when I asked for him and CO to defend themselves. It is much easier to manipulate information - something Link has shown to be good at - when you are the last one providing it.

But, for me, when I play mafia, there are these two creeds:
1) First, work with what you know.
2) After that is exhausted, work with what you think.

And right now, all I know that matters to the situation is that I'm not mafia. Therefore, my best play is to keep myself alive, regardless of cost. So unless people are going to vote for Link, my vote regrettably has to stay on CO.

[dawn to dusk]

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Why not say this earlier? A counterclaim would have made this process a lot clearer

[Linkcat]

I answered my RQS late because I was busy. I haven't defended myself yet because I wanted to hear your reasoning first, which I still haven't gotten.

I'm confirming everything Onion said. The mafia team is dd and either dawn or Kuro. It's up to the last town to decide the game.

[ddevans96]

You said yourself you weren't answering your RQS until everyone else did. You're backtracking.

I would love to give you reasoning before you defend yourself, but you need to defend yourself much more than me if you're actually town. You've now added a blatant lie to the thread, as opposed to your assertion I haven't done much for town just being an arguable one, and your claim that either you or CO is MoW being one only I can be certain of.

If you're not mafia, you need to give something substantial like yesterday, because everything's screaming to me that you're mafia, just like the last time you were. I'm not letting it be ignored this time.

Kuro, place your vote on Link so the game can continue.