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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225192#msg1225192
« Reply #108 on: February 25, 2016, 10:52:03 pm »
The problem with your plan math is that Nahiri would have to publically out themselves. Plus there's no way we could trust whoever claims to be Nahiri to vouch for you. A mafia could fake claim Nahiri to force the real Nahiri to confess. Of course this would cost 2 mafia to kill one (powerful) town, but it's still a possibility.
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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225193#msg1225193
« Reply #109 on: February 25, 2016, 10:57:37 pm »
I don't see any reason to not lynch mathman. While he may be a civvy, we are just providing mafia with an opportunity to kill more civvies tonight. And anyways, even if we didn't lynch mathman tonight, who's to say that mafia wouldn't just nightkill him tonight anyways?

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225194#msg1225194
« Reply #110 on: February 25, 2016, 11:00:04 pm »
I don't see any reason to not lynch mathman. While he may be a civvy, we are just providing mafia with an opportunity to kill more civvies tonight. And anyways, even if we didn't lynch mathman tonight, who's to say that mafia wouldn't just nightkill him tonight anyways?

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225198#msg1225198
« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2016, 11:26:31 pm »
This all boils down to one question:

Is a confirmed civilian, with the possibility to be a confirmed mafia, worth more than an additional dead civilian?

There are three things I'd like to raise to the discussion that's probably about to happen:

1) When certain people had an early look at this ruleset, a good chunk of people commented that gideon's ability would cause the civvies to instantly win. His ability has since been changed, but it read along the lines of this:
"Publically reveal Gideon to everyone. Gideon can't be nightkilled as long as there as another white planeswalker."
You can draw parallels between this ability and what Mathman is attempting, although, obviously, Mathman's ability is weaker.
Is this trait still powerful enough to justify an extra dead civilian, assuming it was broken in the first place?

2) Narset/Ugin/Tamiyo are (hopefully) searching for white planeswalkers, of which Nahiri is one of. Given how Ajani is in the game, it may not be as dangerous for Nahiri as one would initially think. Could Nahiri lie in the shadows, wait a bit, and then have a spokesperson confirm Math's identity later? There is precedent for us doing this. (see mafia 47, with blackquill)

3) The number of assumptions going on here is irritating.
- If Math is town,
- If Narset/Ugin/Tamiyo are town,
- If Narset/Ugin/Tamiyo are doing their job, which no one's explicitly told them to do, I'll point out,
- If Nahiri targets Math this night,
THEN we get a confirmed civ a few days down the line.

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225200#msg1225200
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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225218#msg1225218
« Reply #113 on: February 26, 2016, 02:58:57 am »
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Meow, if I really wanted to have arum dead why would I vote on him, AND nightkill him? That makes little sense in the grand sense. If I was really mafia I would vote for a no lynch, give the mafia the kill advantage, and preach no lynch for the next three nights. Why kill arum? Probably exactly this, maybe they didn't want us to lynch him today (which was my start going in today)


Beyond that, I dont know who to lynch

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225263#msg1225263
« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2016, 05:28:58 pm »

What I ask is that Nahiri target me tonight, please confirm that I am civy for everyone.

How can it be announced that you are confirmed, without outing Nahiri?

If it can be arranged that you are confirmed, I think it is worth the extra NK to have a civvy-central-spokesperson who can't be lynched.
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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225265#msg1225265
« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2016, 05:32:44 pm »

What I ask is that Nahiri target me tonight, please confirm that I am civy for everyone.

How can it be announced that you are confirmed, without outing Nahiri?

If it can be arranged that you are confirmed, I think it is worth the extra NK to have a civvy-central-spokesperson who can't be lynched.
He gains NK immunity, not lynch immunity.

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225266#msg1225266
« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2016, 06:00:46 pm »
if math is mafia, they essentially just gave themselves a free kill if we let math live, I think thats something important to consider

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225269#msg1225269
« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2016, 06:06:09 pm »
I'm open to changing my vote, but as of now I don't see how it's worth losing an extra civvy to NK on the chance that math gets confirmed as town.

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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225271#msg1225271
« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2016, 06:12:57 pm »
It's not quite JUST being confirmed as town, it's a confirmed town, with access to civvy central, who can't be NKed. Essentially we get a full on leader.
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Re: Elements Mafia 57 - by Naesala https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61196.msg1225272#msg1225272
« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2016, 06:34:17 pm »
It's not quite JUST being confirmed as town, it's a confirmed town, with access to civvy central, who can't be NKed. Essentially we get a full on leader.


who could /VERY/ easily be a mafia

 

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