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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221628#msg1221628
« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2016, 05:19:42 pm »
sky simply voting on people "she dislikes" doesn't seem right to me - whether mafia or not, this behaviour isn't likely to be beneficial for town. And as mafia, this can simply be some false reasoning for lynching specific persons.
Anastasia asking for a specific persons to kill (with her question) also seems odd, why should any town give a valid answer?
As Anastasia heavily defended sky for no reason, I am up for lynching sky today to check whether she is town or mafia, so we can check if they might be two mafias defending each other.

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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221631#msg1221631
« Reply #133 on: January 30, 2016, 05:32:00 pm »
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I'm voting on sky to attempt keeping alive the other 3. She also voted on me, so I believe I'm allowed to defend myself.


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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221638#msg1221638
« Reply #134 on: January 30, 2016, 06:23:52 pm »
skyironsword (5) - killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, Ginyu, Submachine, Coffeeditto
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I'm not blindly believing Anastasia here, but in terms of input, Anastasia has put forth more ideas. She seems to have a more radical approach as a civilian (if she is one), whereas sky seems like 'kill this person'. I mean, Anastasia says that too, but she has more reason than sky to say so, as someone has opposed her in this game, that being MeowMeowCat. I trust MeowMeowCat in this situation, and Sub isn't all too scumtell either, but sky gives off worse vibes than Anastasia to me.
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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221639#msg1221639
« Reply #135 on: January 30, 2016, 06:27:20 pm »
skyironsword (5) - killsdazombies, Kuroaitou, Ginyu, Submachine, Coffeeditto
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I'm not blindly believing Anastasia here, but in terms of input, Anastasia has put forth more ideas. She seems to have a more radical approach as a civilian (if she is one), whereas sky seems like 'kill this person'. I mean, Anastasia says that too, but she has more reason than sky to say so, as someone has opposed her in this game, that being MeowMeowCat. I trust MeowMeowCat in this situation, and Sub isn't all too scumtell either, but sky gives off worse vibes than Anastasia to me.
Please note that I'm not 100% certain that she is mafia, however, I believe her scummy behavior is detrimental to our progress in winning the game.

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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221643#msg1221643
« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2016, 06:56:44 pm »
Please note that I'm not 100% certain that she is mafia, however, I believe her scummy behavior is detrimental to our progress in winning the game.

Unbelievable.

You are the mafia. Calling me mafia is a great joke, coming from you. Killing me is definitely a bonus to you and your team winning the game, seeing as I'm the only one who actually knows what you are.

Bravo, MeowMeowCat.

To the others; I apologise for my behaviour this game. Usually I am not so reckless nor do I pursue personal vendettas, but I let go of my control. Sincerest apologies. I will lay out the facts that lead me to believe with one hundred percent certainty that MeowMeowCat is mafia, even putting away my personal bias against him.

Spoiler for Clues:
1. Refusal to Answer Question - This is valid, as the question is designed to separate the playerbase into two factions, one side who says the question is interesting and the other that refuses to answer. There is nothing wrong with refusing to answer, and in the previous games I have played, the actual Mafia tend to give false replies. In this game, such a false reply would be "Submachine - Cast more suspicion on skyironsword." MeowMeowCat's outright refusal makes him look suspicious in my eyes, especially since the point of the question was that it would be answered, though I understand that to many of you, the question makes me look suspicious instead. 

2. Scumtells - MeowMeowCat, in previous games, always follows a specific pattern when he is Mafia. He coaxes his teammates to kill seemingly random people according to how they affect the game. This tends to be veterans, people who have played the game before, or to cast suspicion on an errant voter, such as skyironsword. Additionally, when he is mafia, he is much more defensive than when he is a civilian, especially as detailed in the quote above; he manipulates people into believing that the people who see his tells are the mafia themselves.

3. Linkcat First Death - This may have been somewhat answered in #2, though I place it here as it has its own specific reasoning. From the last game, Arum, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3 and ddevans96. My brother commented that they had decided to kill Linkcat, but avoided doing so for unknown reasons. It is not too unlikely that one member from last Mafia is Mafia this round, according to statistics. It's even less possible that the same decision was made this time. Seeing as MeowMeowCat has a track record of being Mafia, despite what regular logic would say, I believe that he is Mafia this round again. Luck is a strange thing based on personal frames of reference, so it may be bad luck or good luck to MeowMeowCat, but I strongly believe that it exists.

You may decide what you would like to do with that evidence. I strongly suspect that tonight, or perhaps tomorrow (in terms of game-time) I will be killed, by Mafia or lynch. I want to say I do not deserve it, but none of you have directly been hostile towards me and I have treated you less than stellar.

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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221644#msg1221644
« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2016, 06:59:09 pm »
Can I vote on her twice?

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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221645#msg1221645
« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2016, 07:01:10 pm »
You got enough of an apology MMC, don't antagonize her further :I
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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221649#msg1221649
« Reply #139 on: January 30, 2016, 07:20:13 pm »
You got enough of an apology MMC, don't antagonize her further :I
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Please note that I'm not 100% certain that she is mafia, however, I believe her scummy behavior is detrimental to our progress in winning the game.

Unbelievable.

You are the mafia. Calling me mafia is a great joke, coming from you. Killing me is definitely a bonus to you and your team winning the game, seeing as I'm the only one who actually knows what you are.

Bravo, MeowMeowCat.

To the others; I apologise for my behaviour this game. Usually I am not so reckless nor do I pursue personal vendettas, but I let go of my control. Sincerest apologies. I will lay out the facts that lead me to believe with one hundred percent certainty that MeowMeowCat is mafia, even putting away my personal bias against him.

Spoiler for Clues:
1. Refusal to Answer Question - This is valid, as the question is designed to separate the playerbase into two factions, one side who says the question is interesting and the other that refuses to answer. There is nothing wrong with refusing to answer, and in the previous games I have played, the actual Mafia tend to give false replies. In this game, such a false reply would be "Submachine - Cast more suspicion on skyironsword." MeowMeowCat's outright refusal makes him look suspicious in my eyes, especially since the point of the question was that it would be answered, though I understand that to many of you, the question makes me look suspicious instead. 

2. Scumtells - MeowMeowCat, in previous games, always follows a specific pattern when he is Mafia. He coaxes his teammates to kill seemingly random people according to how they affect the game. This tends to be veterans, people who have played the game before, or to cast suspicion on an errant voter, such as skyironsword. Additionally, when he is mafia, he is much more defensive than when he is a civilian, especially as detailed in the quote above; he manipulates people into believing that the people who see his tells are the mafia themselves.

3. Linkcat First Death - This may have been somewhat answered in #2, though I place it here as it has its own specific reasoning. From the last game, Arum, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3 and ddevans96. My brother commented that they had decided to kill Linkcat, but avoided doing so for unknown reasons. It is not too unlikely that one member from last Mafia is Mafia this round, according to statistics. It's even less possible that the same decision was made this time. Seeing as MeowMeowCat has a track record of being Mafia, despite what regular logic would say, I believe that he is Mafia this round again. Luck is a strange thing based on personal frames of reference, so it may be bad luck or good luck to MeowMeowCat, but I strongly believe that it exists.

You may decide what you would like to do with that evidence. I strongly suspect that tonight, or perhaps tomorrow (in terms of game-time) I will be killed, by Mafia or lynch. I want to say I do not deserve it, but none of you have directly been hostile towards me and I have treated you less than stellar.

For what it has been worth, this mafia was fun enough to play.


Fine. Let's dance, sweetheart.

First, I will dissect your so-called "Clues" with reasoning.

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1. Refusal to Answer Question - This is valid, as the question is designed to separate the playerbase into two factions, one side who says the question is interesting and the other that refuses to answer. There is nothing wrong with refusing to answer, and in the previous games I have played, the actual Mafia tend to give false replies. In this game, such a false reply would be "Submachine - Cast more suspicion on skyironsword." MeowMeowCat's outright refusal makes him look suspicious in my eyes, especially since the point of the question was that it would be answered, though I understand that to many of you, the question makes me look suspicious instead.

So, if there's nothing wrong with refusing to answer, then why are you grinding on me for not answering? Hypocritical at best. Beside, if I were an actual Mafia, I would, as you stated, "give a false reply". No reply isn't a false reply, is it, dear?

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2. Scumtells - MeowMeowCat, in previous games, always follows a specific pattern when he is Mafia. He coaxes his teammates to kill seemingly random people according to how they affect the game. This tends to be veterans, people who have played the game before, or to cast suspicion on an errant voter, such as skyironsword. Additionally, when he is mafia, he is much more defensive than when he is a civilian, especially as detailed in the quote above; he manipulates people into believing that the people who see his tells are the mafia themselves.
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He coaxes his teammates to kill seemingly random people according to how they affect the game. This tends to be veterans, people who have played the game before, or to cast suspicion on an errant voter, such as skyironsword."
How would you know this if you have never been Mafia with me before? Shoddy reasoning at best.

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"Additionally, when he is mafia, he is much more defensive than when he is a civilian, especially as detailed in the quote above; he manipulates people into believing that the people who see his tells are the mafia themselves."
I'd like for you to show me where this is shown, because I don't see this.

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3. Linkcat First Death - This may have been somewhat answered in #2, though I place it here as it has its own specific reasoning. From the last game, Arum, MeowMeowCat, worldwideweb3 and ddevans96. My brother commented that they had decided to kill Linkcat, but avoided doing so for unknown reasons. It is not too unlikely that one member from last Mafia is Mafia this round, according to statistics. It's even less possible that the same decision was made this time. Seeing as MeowMeowCat has a track record of being Mafia, despite what regular logic would say, I believe that he is Mafia this round again. Luck is a strange thing based on personal frames of reference, so it may be bad luck or good luck to MeowMeowCat, but I strongly believe that it exists.
Killing Linkcat first is a passable and logical move for any mafia, as he is a skilled player and can carry the game when Civ with an important role, or just as civ regardless.. Now, you say that
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There are 3 members of the previous mafia in this game; who is to say that they aren't mafia again? I think you're tunneling too hard on me due to a personal vendetta; even though you state that you have set that aside.
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lol, if you base any reasoning off this, I have no choice but to laugh.
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Basing your reasoning off luck is shoddy at best; since luck is well, luck.

In conclusion, your logic is filled with contradictions, fallacies, and straight up untrue facts. Nice try, but no.

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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221654#msg1221654
« Reply #140 on: January 30, 2016, 07:57:51 pm »
Leave out the 'dears' mmc, unnecessary, this is a game and patronising is unnecessary.
My vote stays where it is, thought about changing, but I think the extra long post being vehement about 100% knowing when there is no evidence is a little suspect.
MMC on the other hand, i have not had the slightest feeling of scuminess. Very possible neither is mafia, but for now the person who seems the most suspect at the moment with no evidence is Ana. Sorry.

I do not think we should intentionally tie. The more we no-lynch, the more senior players will be picked off before we start worrying mafia. If it's still tied close to the end I'd be happier to change my vote than to have another no-lynch.
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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221655#msg1221655
« Reply #141 on: January 30, 2016, 07:59:54 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221657#msg1221657
« Reply #142 on: January 30, 2016, 08:05:25 pm »
Leave out the 'dears' mmc, unnecessary, this is a game and patronising is unnecessary.
My vote stays where it is, thought about changing, but I think the extra long post being vehement about 100% knowing when there is no evidence is a little suspect.
MMC on the other hand, i have not had the slightest feeling of scuminess. Very possible neither is mafia, but for now the person who seems the most suspect at the moment with no evidence is Ana. Sorry.

I do not think we should intentionally tie. The more we no-lynch, the more senior players will be picked off before we start worrying mafia. If it's still tied close to the end I'd be happier to change my vote than to have another no-lynch.
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Re: Elements Mafia 56 - by mathman101 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61004.msg1221665#msg1221665
« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2016, 08:35:28 pm »
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