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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219914#msg1219914
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2016, 03:41:37 pm »
I, on the other hand, am perfectly fine with not knowing what the roles are. That's sort of the point of the mafia; they are a shadow organization with abilities you don't know, and you will have to defeat them in order to win.

However, if you are intent on finding out roles, I'm sure we could find the voting character who is always blue, and PM them our roles a la the suggestion made at the end of previous mafia.

I also was a bit iffy about the night patch phase being the first to go through, but if you think about it, you can't really lynch anyone on the first day, can you? You can just make plans, which you already are able to do in chat or the likes.
My complaint is not that we don't know which roles are mafia, it's that we don't know which roles are in the game. Same happened in last mafia, and that was an imbalanced and unfun setup. You cannot make everything lore-accurate. Game balance is more important, because if you want everything to make sense, it can still become a slaughterfest and a very unfun game.

Also I have no reason to believe that you are not mafia yourself. You might just want to protect your good chances to win. That plan of yours might work though, BUT we don't even know if there are any scripted BLUE or RED players in the game, because the host refused to give us the list. -_-
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219916#msg1219916
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2016, 04:33:50 pm »
Well civvies absolutely need a Twisted Fate, so I'm going to assume it's in the game. If it's not, then reguardless of if we know what roles are in the game or not, civvies are screwed. But to confirm someone is Twisted Fate we would need LeBlanc or Rengar. Other then this plan, Rengar isn't very effective. On the otherhand, using LeBlanc ensures that the mafia can't patchkill TF (by chance) night 2 and ruin civvy plans. If we use rengar, Rengar would need to publicly post or we'd end up waiting until Twisted Fate finds Rengar and it turns into the game of "will mafia find twisted fate first, or will twisted fate find rengar." However because of roles like LeBlanc+Khazix (add soraka into the mix) most likely Twisted Fate would find rengar first.
Afterward TF can publically confirm and get everyones roles then start planning it for civvies. If we use LB, then we would need TF to come out pubically and LB would have to send a message to TF for them to target eachother and then LeBlanccan confirm in the morning that TF is Coffeeditto or whoever.

Roles that are very good together in this game, for civvies interests are
Jinx and Maoki
Shaco and Shyvana
Kha Zix and LeBlanc
Leblanc and Twisted Fate
Kha Zix and Soraka (not an actual interaction, but good to communicate together to better coordinate when to negate mafia patchkills)

I'm still talking to the host on this one, as I feel like role priority will most likely be changed. As it is, lux is very high up in the order with the only voting power/voting total/role-canceling roles above Lux is Warwick. So, as it is, civvies can strategically use lux once warwick dies or is confirmed civvy.

Decided to post everything I know because I'm assuming I'll die tonight for saying the first paragraph. :x
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219918#msg1219918
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2016, 04:53:29 pm »
The best way to use lux once Warwick dies is by having a confirmed member with 1 voting power vote on lux and lux vote on the confirmed member. Low priority roles would be best for this, although they have to be confirmed or else the mafia couldve assumed a role other then their own and mess the plan up. So, IE a confirmed amumu, Ekko  is probably of low value I havn't really decided how best to use him yet, he's kind of an oddball. Malphite would probably be ideal. Some tricky business can work between a shaco and lux interaction, in fact add that to the list I spoke about above. To decide if you want to do that plan, it'd have to be of the roles just mentioned as fodder for lux, or if you have a confirmed mafia thats first voted on shaco. Singed works too. Warwick as well. Now to order them in preference as fodder:
Warwick>Malphite>Singed>Amumu>Ekko
Ekko can shift all the way up between Malphite and Singed if no strategic use can be found for him.

Note you can do these plans even if you don't have them 100% confirmed, because if the person screws the plan up then they're mafia except Warwick because of role priority. That's the main reason why we have to wait until warwick is dead or confirmed civilian before we can use lux. Katerina always being red, Soraka always being blue, and lux finding out randomly a role's alignment is the main reason why we would want everyone to send their roles into twisted fate when we've confirmed who that is.
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219920#msg1219920
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2016, 04:54:48 pm »
I say low priority in the 2nd line -> I'm referring to roles with low value.
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219951#msg1219951
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2016, 10:49:46 pm »
Oh, I changed that rule. You can post in patch phase, I guess.

anyway wow you guys slitting my throat already?

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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219952#msg1219952
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2016, 10:51:02 pm »
No K6, no Soraka...  :'(

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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219953#msg1219953
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2016, 11:08:16 pm »
Patching phase start isn't an uncommon thing to do.

No, it's not, but did you say it anywhere? Also, did you say anywhere that you weren't disclosing roles?
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219954#msg1219954
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2016, 11:23:57 pm »
Well this shouldn't even be called mafia. This should be called how the host kills civilians via a group of people. In mafia theres always a doctor and a cop/detective. We have nither so this isn't even mafia. Lets not forget all ways to negate a patch kill have also been stripped. Even as Dmg said, in any generic mafia civilians stand a chance as long as there isn't too many nightkills and the civilians have a doctor and a detective. Oh whole were at it lets give the most powerful mafia role in the game in there thats guaranteed to be mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219955#msg1219955
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2016, 11:24:49 pm »
Mafia plz kill me
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219964#msg1219964
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2016, 06:33:55 am »
Cop was abused, and even though there are ways around it, those ways are not present in this mafia. This is not anything against the host, mind you, and honestly I am fine playing a mafia without a cop.
Secondly, there aren't always a doc and a cop in every game of mafia. It really isn't strange at all. Standard dethy has no docs, and many 9 player games don't have either. So I think the rules are perfectly fine.
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219979#msg1219979
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2016, 12:39:55 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 55 - by Coffeeditto https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60865.msg1219991#msg1219991
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2016, 03:45:29 pm »
Personally, I'm fine without a doc. If you're really upset about it, just afk and get modkilled.


Of course if you don't want to be petty and otherwise lame, deal with it. Even if we did /need/ a doctor, we can't undo the roles given out, nor can we add another person and give them doctor.

 

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