Elements Mafia 52 - by eljoemo

[CrockettRocket]

I wouln't happen to be the worst, right? 

[Dm]

I wouln't happen to be the worst, right? 

Mafia 37 was bad, but no, you're not the worst, you got better after single handedly losing that one.

[CrockettRocket]

I wouln't happen to be the worst, right? 

Mafia 37 was bad, but no, you're not the worst, you got better after single handedly -winning- that one.

Fixed
I at least beat someone, including myself. xD

[Dm]

Well, you won it for mafia, I guess. That's one way to look at it.

[eljoemo]

I followed the actions a bit and I'd like to share some constructive criticism, eljoe.

The main problem is that mafia laid back and had to worry about nothing. Making everything 1U for the civvies discourages them from using their more useful items. Even if they would use their 1U items, chances are that they would not do any good during that night and after it's used, mafia can continue to lay back and do nothing.
The agent items were good ideas, you should have included more of them.

Another problem I saw were the mafia weapons. It would have been better to change them simply for normal equipment or give weapons for civvies too. Remember that you didn't give mafia anything to worry about, why did you give them extra firepower? I think mafia should have only 1-2 normal equipment and nothing else.

Third thing I noticed that there were no ways to confirm secret prototypes. Halfway during the game I asked some players if they figured out what the prototypes do and then I asked if they can confirm it. They couldn't. This made the game even more mafia-sided. - A solution for this would have been to reveal secret prototype ability once a person died with one.

And for last, the number of mafia. You declared that there would be 5 mafia players even before you knew how many players you will have. This is bad, because M=mafia should be determined by P=players. In a balanced ruleset, M=(P-2)/4 is usually a good formula (M always rounded down), but in mafia-sided games like Mafia 52 and 51, extra penalty for mafia is due, thus following: M=[(P-2)/4]-1. So in this mafia, there should have been only 3-4 mafia, and not 5.

All of this is fair criticism. Honestly, I just threw Mafia at the wall to see what would stick with this rule set. Apparently not much of it did But at least now we know. I will say a few things in my defense though.

I was expecting more signups that I actually got. Mafias 49, 50 and 51 had 30, 27 and 27 players respectively. I tried somewhat to make my rules work for an equally large group but then got one dramatically smaller. I didn't really want to change the rules once they were posted and figured this setup could still work with only 20 signups.

I was also expecting a lot more Equipment uses than what actually happened. This is probably due to what you said Sub but I was expecting this to be quite chaotic, especially in the first few nights. The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly. Still, I won't criticize town's performance if my rule set was to blame. I'm just sad we didn't get any defibrillator shenanigans.

[ddevans96]

The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly.

Straight from our pad (italic text is Kuro, all other text is me):

Night 2 - Motion Sensor
rob77dp used Equipment on rob77dp (high probability this was Barricade OR APPARENTLY ITDG WHICH MEANS ELECTROMAGNET WILL BE AFFECTING HIM LATER)
skyironsword used Equipment (must have been HACS)
JonathanCrazyJ used Equipment on rob77dp (was electromagnet)
killsdazombies used Equipment on Linkcat (nearly GUARANTEED agent) GOT HIM
mathman101 used Equipment on rob77dp (potentially agent) ? (OR used defillibrator, if math has been confirmed, and rob would be saved) GOT HIM TOO
worldwideweb3 used Equipment on skyironsword (QWMT)
Linkcat used Equipment (must have been Sensor, RFID, or Flashlight) If Flashlight, he would know that KDZ is trustworthy. So more likely that it's sensor or RFID

tl;dr we found the agents quickly due to the timing of our motion sensor and running logic, not activity.

Also congratulations to Dm and Sky for being the second worst civilians I have ever seen.

Fixed.

This is writing a check you can't cash. Your play for most of the game was only marginally useful to town and if not for that clutch motion sensor it would have been really easy to paint you as mafia and secure the game sooner.

[eljoemo]

The lack of activity is what ultimately led to both Agents being killed so quickly.

Straight from our pad (italic text is Kuro, all other text is me):

Night 2 - Motion Sensor
rob77dp used Equipment on rob77dp (high probability this was Barricade OR APPARENTLY ITDG WHICH MEANS ELECTROMAGNET WILL BE AFFECTING HIM LATER)
skyironsword used Equipment (must have been HACS)
JonathanCrazyJ used Equipment on rob77dp (was electromagnet)
killsdazombies used Equipment on Linkcat (nearly GUARANTEED agent) GOT HIM
mathman101 used Equipment on rob77dp (potentially agent) ? (OR used defillibrator, if math has been confirmed, and rob would be saved) GOT HIM TOO
worldwideweb3 used Equipment on skyironsword (QWMT)
Linkcat used Equipment (must have been Sensor, RFID, or Flashlight) If Flashlight, he would know that KDZ is trustworthy. So more likely that it's sensor or RFID

tl;dr we found the agents quickly due to the timing of our motion sensor and running logic, not activity.

That's what I meant. If more civvies had used Equipment then it would have been harder / more time consuming for you to find the Agents. I don't mean to take credit away from you on this.

[Ginyu]

This is writing a check you can't cash. Your play for most of the game was only marginally useful to town and if not for that clutch motion sensor it would have been really easy to paint you as mafia and secure the game sooner.

I am not saying I was very useful. I didn't have very much, as - apart from the sensor - my equipment was very defensive.
What I dislike is claiming others to be bad, while you call great equipment to be used against mafia and then saying it is best killing yourself and getting rid of that copy of equipment... at a point where we didn't know how much of it was actually in play. His death didn't confirm anything really, civs who owned that equipment knew already what it did; he might have even teached mafia to keep that in mind if they didn't have it. Not to mention that wasting a lynch was very crucial when starting with 15-5 only. If he thinks it was fine, so it's okay. But he shouldn't shoot at others like being the god of mafia games.

[Dm]

It proved a QWMT and you guys should make a plan around it and proved Link and Sky had no fucking idea what they were doing

Not that it matters much - you followed Link anyway and lynched three more civs down the way.

[Ginyu]

you followed Link anyway and lynched three more civs down the way

There were only two town lynchs after you died: Link himself and rob. kirby's death was by mafia voting, and the other lynches were Kuro and RR, both mafia.

Still, we surely didn't play perfect. It was just hard cooperating as Link looked very scummy after you turned town and no one knew who had QWMT.

[Dm]

Lynching rob off of flyingcat based on what LINK said was stupid and was one other town death. You guys still followed link.

Worry not, I'm no mafia god. But please, don't say I'm the "worst civilian in the game". I'm the only one, during this whole mafia, that provided good and well thought out reasoning with actual verifiable claims (even Kuro's post was nothing but "doubt" - mine proved straight up that Link and Sky were claiming an impossible scenario). Honestly? If I was the worst player than I wonder where that puts you - all you were good for was hive mind playing after people who had been proved to make literally impossible claims. Not bashing your gameplay, just pointing out that if compared to me - whom you called the "worst civilian" - you were much, much more useless. Maybe you should try actually doing something next game or something.

Cheers.

[Ginyu]

There were only two town lynchs after you died: Link himself and rob.

Lynching rob off of flyingcat based on what LINK said was stupid and was one other town death.

Okay, I missed that one. So the three town deaths were Link, rob and rob. Totally overlooked that the Master of Death always has to die twice.

So yeah, I only found a mafia. That's mostly it, I agree. You killed yourself (1st town), let Link look scummy with you turning town (2nd town), and you destroyed your QWMT instead of using it. You confirmed something every owner of QWMT already knew. You wasted a lynch.
You are right, you did much more than me. Congratz.

Anyway, we won't come to a compromise. Lets step forward.