rob77dp (8
) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat
You know what, screw it. I might as well share my thoughts right here and now before any more damage is done.
Personally Linkcat, after the events of Mafia 51 I've come to realize that when decisive actions needs to be taken, it
should be taken, especially if one person's convictions can prove them right. After failing to lynch Naesala during 51, and that basically screwing up the rest of the game (which led to the werewolves winning, doh), I vowed to be more assertive in trying to ensure the vote doesn't kill a valuable member.
But now I realize, speaking as a player in this game; your actions up to this point have been at best, inconsistent, and worst, completely horrible, and Espithel's deal on Day 1 is now resurfacing back into my head. But let's ignore that for a moment, and go for a different reason.
I've decided to analyze ALL of your moves Linkcat, and to me, regardless of whether you're playing as a bold civy or a reckless mafia, is becoming a detriment to town, and is the reason why I've decided to go lynch you.
Day 1 - You lead off the vote as a 'joke' of being impatient. Okay, that's fine. Whatever.
Espithel (1) - Linkcat
I'm impatient.
But after the confusing situation regarding 'votes, no votes, no lynches, ties, etc.', you decide to tip the odds against Dm (who apparently decided to play seriously this time) by moving your vote from Espithel to him:
dawn to dusk (1) - dawn to dusk
Linkcat (1) - Espithel
Dm (2) - skyironsword, Linkcat
skyironsword (1) - Dm
No lynch (3) - worldwideweb3, UTAlan, rob77dp
Nice try, Dm.
After Dm tries to get you to explain
here, you refuse, which again, is fine, because most likely at this point you're being led off the train by sky (just like UTA, and several others most likely).
Dm uses your own non-disclosure against you,
causing you to change your vote off of him, which apparently resolved the situation later on... but then you suddenly come up with a reason to
keep Dm alive,
and after all the vote switches and whatnot, Coffeeditto dies due to town survival instincts. Fine.
Day 2 begins. After a bit of a toss up of people placing votes on you-
I forgot to ask. Does anyone know if a Signal Jammer was used last night?
None used.
Right here,
rob confirms to you that Signal Jammer WASN'T used, potentially meaning that he could have used some sort of information-based equipment (Motion Sensor, Spy Drone, etc.), as he was able to get information. This however,
does not prove that rob is an Agent however, nor does it prove that he even used that equipment, but it does show that whatever information you were trying to get on Night 1, obviously didn't work, since
you didn't get anything. Hm. Maybe someone knew better and blocked you or themselves from your targeting?
Whether that makes you a mafia or townie is hard to tell, but after people began piling up those votes, your defense was that as you 'knew' that you were town, you did everything you can to ensure that you stayed alive so as to increase the chances of town winning. Okay, that's fine - except, by extension, a person
can also know that they're mafia, and trying to save their team from a Day 1 lynch-loss via RNG without invoking all of their gang members (or mafia teammates); all that person can do is just mislead Espithel and persuading him otherwise to vote with you on a randomly agreed target (Coffeeditto).
Then the debacle between sky and Dm happened. Dm (who we know now was innocent) posts this
incredibly long post with this gem inside:
...
I am not a fan of holding information either, so while we're here, I'll just leave a warning for after I die:
Sky herself has said in a PM to me that she'd rather change her vote this round to someone else; Sky has also said that she was only voting for me because she wanted to keep Linkcat alive because, due to her own words, he was "important", and, apparently, the reason for this was because she was going to get item from a Supply Crate from him. Is this true? I don't know man, this is mafia. I could be lying on this whole post and be mafia myself and you wouldn't even know. But hey, bribing people to keep you alive with a Supply Crate doesn't feel very town to me. Neither does straight up threatening people to vote on someone otherwise you'd use an equipment on them and they'd die within two days; but hey, you're the ones following the lead.
...
It'd be hilarious if mafia were announcing to one another that they were using supply crate on each other. It would also
be more reasonable that you struck a deal with her acting as a civy.
A theory: perhaps, in your moment of creating an insider alliance,
you offered her another use of Supply Crate with your own Ammo Box or whatnot, giving you guys more options to 'find mafia' (or hell, in your case, find/stop agents and manipulate sky against all other townies).
My own reasoning leads me to (sadly) assume that sky is a threat, and thus I try to keep Dm alive. I ignore the warning signs about you at this point, because, hey, someone is LITERALLY telling everyone via secret BBC personal messages to kill a target and lying to each different person about their motivations. Obviously suspicious at worst, crazy at best. Then
THIS happens, showing us that you were:
a) accusing everyone under the pretense that lynching sky was all due to the idea that Dm was an Agentb) ignoring ALL of Dm's counterarguments against you and skyand
c) trying to swing town into killing Dm after he outwardly unveiled a top secret weapon that could basically throw nightkills back at mafia players.Dm dies. Day 3 begi- oh, wait, wait a minute:
I'm just going to assume somebody used a QWMT on sky. Whoever did that, you are terrible.
Rob told me and sky that he was an Agent and Dm was mafia. Dm was not mafia. We are lynching rob.
rob77dp (1) - Linkcat
Immediately, you jump on a bandwagon; fine, rob could very well be mafia, but notice the orange text: instead of the other possibilities of say, Flash Grenade being used, or mafia deciding to target sky (because sky possibly found out who a mafia person was... perhaps someone that was keeping close tabs on her as a
personal quartermaster?). And then, you say the yellow text, which I decide to blindly agree with...
JonathanCrazyJ
says that rob is a mafia as well because he couldn't steal anything from him (
what?), because Magnet failed on Night 2, and the idea that rob used all of his equipment (including a weapon). But remember my earlier statement in cyan above? rob has ALREADY used some sort of intel-gaining device on the first night if he was being honest. So it couldn't have been a weapon, because only one piece of equipment can be used each night as stated in the
rules.
"All players may only use 1 piece of Equipment per night.
Both Agent Equipment and mafia Weapons are treated as Equipment, unless otherwise specified.
...
The mafia nightkill is treated as a group action and not an Equipment use. Only Equipment that specifies that it affects nightkills will do so. Mafia Weapons are treated as single player actions and Equipment uses.
Read the rules better jcj.
Finally to the more recent hour;
rob77dp makes a response. And then based on recent developments,
he used a 'delayed-equipment-effect' secret weapon that basically means that if both of them survive, jcj will get non-used equipment on Night... 5? Or whenever. This is irrelevant.
While this does not state that rob is a mafia (since his third item could theoretically be a weapon waiting to be used...), you SUDDENLY just move your vote on me without provocation, with your recent post of:
Well.
Here's to another day of being a mindless sheeple!
If that's your view, then you're in luck! You get to be mindless sheeple twice in one day. You may remember that Dm said in chat that someone had contacted him claiming that they were an Agent and Kuro was mafia. I was contacted by that same person. While I can't know 100%, I strongly believe this person is real. We are lynching Kuro for a number of reasons.
Again,
manipulating Espithel just like you did on Day 1. Then you suddenly insert this new information about Dm getting in contact with an Agent (post or pre death?) and I'm a mafia. You believe this person. Fine - and this new guy is okay because... ? Whatever, moving further on.
1. H.A.C.S. - Holographic Active Camouflauge Suit - This makes you immune to lynches for the next three days as long as you don't vote. The person with the next highest votes is lynched. The one sky got was from the Supply Crate, sorob might have the original. He did vote, but he just has to remove it at the end of the day.
2. Since rob was the one that claimed Agent, if he doesn't have HACS then it's likely that he is not as useful as Kuro.
3. Lynching rob is what the mafia expects us to do.
4. 100% confirms the Agent.
1. You know what, the HACS description makes sense, but if rob has the original 'HACS' (which seems a bit too coincidental, as a person shouldn't be able to start out with two secret weapons as the apparent ITDG was used to avoid Jcj's magnet) and apparently used it on Night 1 (which contradicts the cyan statement), then why did he even bother voting on the second day? Or hell, even today? He wouldn't even have to post, we would have just wasted a day lynch, thanks to your leadership.
2. rob specifically said in his previous post that he NEVER claimed agent to you. You dismiss his post completely just like Dm's, without even arguing a, "Yes you did! Because etc." - then you go on the point that he isn't as useful as me.
What point does that even have if 'we're both muhfia? It doesn't matter if a player is useful or not if they're not even on the same team! And frankly, your assessment can't be verified - for all I know, rob may as well be the one who is in contact with BOTH of the agents and thus is actually the most important person, and you're just a spy inserting yourself into all these contrived areas of interest.
3. OR, it could just be
what you initially wanted when working with your team, and then switched tactics when he began countering you (just as other civilians did).
4. ...if it does, you are not the Agent's best partner.
Mafia is still restricted to one Equipment per night, so rob can't have used all his equipment. I have no idea why something would resist the electromagnet.
flyingcat, I also thought that it wouldn't make sense for mafia to do that. After Dm flipped town I figured it out. They did it for one or both of these reasons.
1. Mafia knew that having sky lead the lynch would look bad for her, and that Dm would be able to out talk her and get her lynched. Dm would be lynched the next day and rob would get away.
2. Rob has HACS, so he would be safe from lynches.
Your comment to jcj is fine regarding equipment usage and rules. But again:
1. A lot of people would have gotten away too actually.
You included - the so called 'false agent' may as well be someone else not even in this whole situation, and you would have been next on the lynch list after Dm was confirmed civilian via a Day 3 lynch. But by that time, you probably would have had more people wrapped around your finger to use and play this blame game on.
2. If rob was truly mafia and used the silly HACS on the first NIGHT, when there was no brewing suspicion that it was him, it would be a bad play for so many reasons now that I think about it:
- it would contradict his statement towards you about signal jammer not being used
- it wouldn't last him towards the more crucial part of the game (say, I don't know, late game where voting mafia is vital to ensure masses don't get screwed?)
- and would also be nullified by his voting on non-mafia targets (if again, he was a mafia with HACS).
More importantly, how do you even know that he got a HACS? Did you use an RFID scanner on it or something?
You are incredibly bent on trying to figure out who has the secret weapons, if any, and that seems more than just a power or information grab. skyironsword should have probably known better than to deliver her information regarding HACS to you, but to the final statements.
However, they could not have prepared for two things.
1. Dm tried to get himself lynched.
2. I tricked rob into telling me that he was the one who claimed to sky. I suspected that it was him, so I told him that sky had told me that it was him. He admitted it and sky confirmed it. I was talking to rob near the end of the day and he was reluctant to vote on Dm. I told him that if he let sky get lynched then I would give his name to Dm.
1.
...this statement is absurd. Dm wouldn't get himself killed after trying to reveal himself honestly, he just resigned to the fact that you were clearly supporting the masses to follow suit after skyironsword wanted to get him killed. You played the both of them, and now you're doing it again between us two, and I say screw that.
2. And here's the juiciest part.
You just told us you
tricked rob into giving a false statement. Apparently, rob never even declared being an agent ever to you OR sky. Without her being able to give any input now, you may as well be lying about her confirming rob being the one who contacted her. But of course - instead, you said you would give rob's name to Dm for punishment if he didn't vote Dm out, and surprise, surprise, once Dm died and your puppet followed suit, you're trying to get rid of the residual evidence of your little circles between sky, Espithel (?) and who knows how many others.
But of course you're just an aggressive townie who's just doing what's right... right?
TL;DR - NO. Read my explanation people. This is enough evidence for me to switch, and frankly, I can proudly state that I'm not going to sigh this one off. I have conviction this time around, just like I did against UTA during the 'Threxes' based mafia.
rob77dp (8
) - kirbylover314, JonathanCrazyJ, Ginyu, ddevans96, flyingcat, worldwideweb3, Espithel, UTAlan
Linkcat (2) - rob77dp, Kuroaitou
Kuroaitou (2) - Linkcat, MeowMeowCat
