Elements Mafia 50 - by Kuroaitou

[Ginyu]

After reading this, I made some thoughts and told them Sub, but after this post I will share them officially.

There are two cases: I am Mafia or I am not. Let's look at both.

a) I am mafia.
Taking the pill: Confirming a vigilant I am mafia. I can still claim he lies, but at least one civvy knows my identity now.
Not taking the pill: Looking suspicious, but not confirmed as mafia. I can still claim I feared a death pill or something, or I simply forgot to tell Kuro I take it. Also, I could say the Pharmacist was lying about me not taking the pill.

b) I am vigilante.
Taking the pill: Confirming myself civvy if the Pharmacist was civvy, a mafia would've known I am already via Search.
Not taking the pill: Looking suspicious, fearing a lynch if the Pharmacist got confirmed in some way.

So, in short: It is stupid for a criminal to take a light pill - it will immediately prove him mafia, while he could argue if he hadn't taken it, or claiming the Pharmacist was lying.

[RootRanger]

Do we have any information regarding whether or not Ginyu is an addict?

[Submachine]

From what i know, the last addict is someone else.

[Ginyu]

Uh, forgot about that possibility.

4 Addicts are dead already, so there is 1 remaining, the possibility for me to be one is low.
Still, if the remaining addict is civvy, please post it. Also, if someone knows who the remaining one is, or can confirm I am not, please post.

[Ginyu]

Okay, glad to hear that, Sub.

In this case, there is no need for the remaining addict to confirm himself, as this would help mafia and Ruta if he stays alive.

[RootRanger]

Anyways, if Ginyu were civvy, there would be no reason for him to not take the pill. Which means that if he were mafia, not taking the pill would essentially be an admission of guilt. Taking the pill, as mafia, can still allow him to convince people that the Pharmacist is actually the one who is mafia. So, I'd be more inclined to think Ginyu is mafia. But it would be in my personal best interest for both of them to be killed.

[Submachine]

Posting again for those who arrived late.

IMPORTANT GAMECHANGER!!!

Rutarete as Pharmacist investigated Ginyu last night and reported that he is mafia.
However, if Ruta is the mafia and Ginyu gets killed tonight, town will lose, no questions asked. The same is true backwards.

Ginyu - Metal Welder - voting power 2. Followed our plans whenever he was involved. Very active. It's his first time playing a mafia game. If mafia, his playstyle was to stay low, follow plans when asked and stay out of suspicion.

Rutarete - Pharmacist - voting power 1+5 (from pill). Didn't do anything until the half of the game, but followed our plans whenever he was involved after that. Not as active as Ginyu, but comes online every day. He sent an pill to Ginyu at once, which is an interesting interaction between them (maybe Ruta knows that Ginyu has 2 voting power?). If mafia, his playstyle was to stay undetected and look inactive.

UNOFFICIAL TALLY TO DECIDE WHO TO KILL:
Rutarete (0)
Ginyu (0)
Roll 1d2 to decide (0)
Kill both (1)

[UTAlan]

However, if Ruta is the mafia and Ginyu gets killed tonight, town will lose, no questions asked. The same is true backwards.

Can you explain this? And is it different if they both die?

[Ginyu]

Another note on Ruta:

Back when he gave me an pill, which I took on request of Sub, he didn't vote by himself, not revealing himself as a Pharmacist giving away suspicious pills. That he actually targetted me with this pill may have been a fluke, but he also may have known I have double voting power, trying to get my vote on a good target for mafia. However, when he realized what was going on, he kept himself out of it - despite Sub asking everyone to vote, so he didn't follow town's interest here.

Also, he didn't do anything for town until realizing he looked suspicious, trying to claim himself civvy. Of course, his light pill gave him a very useful option to get a civvy killed by simply lying about the result, and listening to Sub was another try "helping" town not to get shot self.

[Submachine]

I check back from sleep at the perfect times. ^^"

However, if Ruta is the mafia and Ginyu gets killed tonight, town will lose, no questions asked. The same is true backwards.

Can you explain this? And is it different if they both die?

If a civvy dies with extra voting power, mafia can outvote us with their extra voting power. It will be a tie even if the refugees vote. It is true both ways, even if Root is mafia or Ginyu is mafia. However, my sentence doesn't mean that town wins if we kill a mafia, i meant that differently.
And no, if they both die, we win at least 1 extra day. More if we can block a nightkill.

[mathman101]

And no, if they both die, we win at least 1 extra day. More if we can block a nightkill.

Then shouldn't we kill them both if it gives us an extra day? We have 2 Hitmen and both(hopefully) can still use their Gunshot abilities. Lets have each of them target one during the night.
Anything to gain an extra day should be beneficial for the overall cause I would think.

[UTAlan]

If a civvy dies with extra voting power, mafia can outvote us with their extra voting power. It will be a tie even if the refugees vote. It is true both ways, even if Root is mafia or Ginyu is mafia.

Doesn't it depend on who votes first? Tie goes to first voter, so as long as we get a conf civvy to cast the first vote, civvies win the tie. (This is assuming we only kill one of Ginyu/Ruta and they flip civvy.) Given that, I vote we assassinate Ginyu (seeing as Ruta appears to be working with civvies as of late, even sent me a light pill) and lynch Ruta if that goes south.