Elements Mafia 50 - by Kuroaitou

[kirbylover314]

Rutarete (1) -  Naesala
Naesela (6) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314
gusxz (1) - MeowMeowCat

Eh, boarding on the train for now.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

The train on rut was started because it seemed as though he lied about light pill, because a rehab expert said to me no pill was sent.

I have been a little busy and missed the fact that he/she had been the target of the Electrical Engineer in order to confirm him as Civvy. Despite Physs dying due to Sub's misscalculation of the role priorities, his role was high priority, so that's how the confusion came about.
The other rehab expert has confirmed a pill entered circulation, so Rut's story adds up, and while it doesn't fully confirm him, it makes it seem a shame to kill such a useful role on miss-information.
Nae's targeting makes sense up to a point, but I am going off what sub's interaction with her were. Having no other hunches at the moment, this is more his change of lynch than mine.
I am a little confused why you are voting gusxz, MMC. It's VERY suspicious. Feel free to PM me and I'll explain why, but please remove that vote. It does NOTHING for us at this point. In fact it's so suspicious to me that if it wasn't so close to the deadline i'd actually move to Lynch YOU. Seriously, I can only see one reason why you would vote on guszx. It has been noted.

It's worth noting that Sub IS 100% confirmed now.

[Naesala]

Night 1 - Targetted submachine, because submachine kept messaging me in chat
Night 3 - Targeted JcJ at submachines request
Night 5 - Target UTAlan at submachines (and I believe civvy central's) request

Been requesting into civvy central, was content to not get in and follow orders.

How have I been suspicious?

That's not true at all.

First I offered at night 2 that you should confim me fully next night, but you said that you don't feel the need because you trust me by having my secondary confirmed only.
You targeted JCJ at night 3 when i said to target UTAlan. You said that you want to sort this out, and i left it to you.
During night 5, i told you to finish confirming JCJ, but then you said you're not wasting your time fully confirming JCJ, so you're targeting UTAlan.

I didn't confirm you because you were /already leading the civvies/ and trying way to hard to make plans. If you're mafia, then you're piss poor. But You're a piss poor leader anyways, wasting shots and killing useful people to "confirm" them without knowing how your power even works apparently!
You told me to target UTAlan OR JCJ. We discussed it, and chose jcj because you wanted me to confirm him. Then you went and said he was confirmed enough and in the civvy alliance and you didn't allow me in, and everyone's following his plans. You've even named him leader.
Since jcj was so trusted, why would I waste a second use on him? We talked and UTAlan was the other person you wanted.

JCJ is Unemployed, UTAlan is tailor. There, enjoy your information, everyone.

[Naesala]

Naesela (6) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314
gusxz (1) - MeowMeowCat
Submachine (1) - Naesala

I don't care if you're confirmed, you're messing everything up.

Moderator Comment

Replaced a word.

[Submachine]

Naesela (6) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314
gusxz (1) - MeowMeowCat
Submachine (1) - Naesala

I don't care if you're confirmed, you're messing everything up.

I'm sad to see that you are upset. Having seen your reaction in chat today, I started evaluating how big a mistake it would be to lynch you if you really are a vigilante. For now, just like Ruta, you both had the opportunity to confirm people, but none of you actually did; both of you were just 'beating around the bush', if that's a proper term.

Spoiler for Explanation of motives, connections and a bit of the timeline:

Maybe I understand why you are upset. See, in the early day phases, deductions about people were difficult, because people were barely posting. As an old-fashioned detective, I could only trust people based on what they posted, and this lead me to trust both you and Linkcat, and distrust iancu. I trusted you back then, but then you acted strange, which i pointed out, and after Linkcat flipped mafia, i had no other chance but to put everyone outside the trust-box. The turning point where you became really suspicious was when you refused to completely confirm me. Since then, I was waiting to see if you redeem yourself somehow, but this didn't happen. We barely had any communication about building trust since then, and one day you asked to get entrance to Civvy Central, which i had to refuse because you weren't confirmed and we already had JCJ and UTA there who were not confirmed either. You left the conversation saying that "you don't care", opposed to when you wrote some hours ago: "was content to not get in and follow orders".

Spoiler for The correct timeline of events:

You told me to target UTAlan OR JCJ. We discussed it, and chose jcj because you wanted me to confirm him.

So far this is correct.

Then you went and said he was confirmed enough and in the civvy alliance and you didn't allow me in, and everyone's following his plans. You've even named him leader.
Since jcj was so trusted, why would I waste a second use on him? We talked and UTAlan was the other person you wanted.

Now you are remembering the timeline wrong. The correct order of happenings was this:
1. Discussion whether JCJ or UTA should be investigated.
2. Decided to go with JCJ and you agreed, saying that you also want to know about him.
3. You also asked if you could enter the Central, but I didn't want to let you in without everyone else's approval. When i said no, you said that you don't care and then we finished talking.
4. We didn't speak any word since that up until the next point in the story:
5. I asked you during the last night to continue targeting whoever you targeted and then after that move on to UTAlan. I didn't say any indication that he doesn't need to be investigated, so the idea of not confirming JCJ fully and moving on UTA instantly was entirely yours. I went with it, because you seemed confident, but now i regret it. I should have rejected your idea and now you would not be in the same situation as now. :/
6. I only named him leader after all these happened, so it has no place in your story, timeline-wise.

Spoiler for Reason why my mistake should be forgiven:

About my leadership skills, I obviously made mistakes. Big ones, even. But let's put this out of the way once and for all. Physsion was our number one detective, our main information source, but an unconfirmed detective is useless and we had to confirm him somehow. The investigations that you were given were far more important, but we had no other investigative roles and i had to improvise. This was the point where i came up with the idea of combining a protective role with Gunshot. The plan was visible for at least 2 phases in the main pad, at the top, in a visible place. Furthermore, the other Hitman and Kuro were also notified what the method will be used for. None of the involved people noticed the flaw in the plan, and the plan would have been perfect if it wasn't for the different priorities. Hell, even outsiders told me in chat that it's counterintuitive and they could see why I would think that it works the other way. But don't let this mistake get in the way of Civvy Central's previous achievements, while it worked under my control:

Spoiler for Why town will win this mafia:

Currently we achieved a point where 4 out of 8 people are mafia, including you.

As long as people die out of those 8, we're getting closer and closer to victory. Both Ruta and you, our only investigating roles left, are unconfirmed, and can only confirm each other. However, if both of you are mafia, then we would risk the happenings of Root's mafia again and let a bunch of mafia slip under our radar. For this reason, investigative roles are less useful than lynches, especially Officer, which is slow to work, and the identity behind it, who decided to not use it to its full potential twice.

Spoiler for Who to lynch then?:

But we have a mafia tradition that if you are about to get lynched, first defend and if you have another, better target than you, then speak up. Ruta did the defending good, but didn't point to anyone. Sadly you were the next on the list, and even your suspicions were weak. Your defending was solely depending on me to protect you, but since I protected Linkcat, who later on flipped mafia, I'm not doing such things anymore.
You gave us a name that could by lynched instead of you, but sadly the given name is town, and if we want to win, we don't lynch confirmed town members regardless of their negative impact on the game. Especially because I'll be under more control from now on and all my decisions will be shared for opinions.

Spoiler for My current feelings about you:

You are not someone who i want dead at all costs. The suspicions about you are also weak, even though more than we have for others. I also have no grudge against you. Therefore I'm open to change my votes from you to the new target pointed out by JCJ.

Naesela (6) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314
gusxz (1) - MeowMeowCat
Submachine (1) - Naesala
MeowMeowCat (1) - Submachine

Spoiler for Calm down and listen:

I mean, hell, we still have 9 hours left. Why were you guys complaining about the timer when there was even more? Now Naesala, later on you won't have any orders from me, so if you play this game to win, then think about the suggestions that i just gave to you.

Spoiler for Last words:

Alternatively, if you were a criminal the whole time, i don't comprehend your anger, because then you deserve to be lynched.

Moderator Comment

Removed certain unnecessary content.

Global Moderator Comment

Think about your attitude, please.

[Submachine]

Day 6
Time is now over.
The following players MUST post within the following Day/Night cycle, or they will be modkilled/removed. (Note that they do not need to vote; they must simply post in this topic to be considered active)
gusxz

Timer for convenience, and a reminder for gusxz to come online and post something in the next 9 hours.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

huur this is messy.
And I'm not unemployed, it's strange that Nae should say that considering she targeted me, but nvm.

Many mistakes have been made, I made the mistake of being very very busy which I thought wouldn't matter too much as my abilities were being blocked for 2 nights, and sub seemed to have a hold on things. Sub has been very good in MANY respects behind the scenes, but I think with the best intentions, you speak and do a lot very quickly, which can lead to a bit of confusion.
There is a lot going on, and I'm really struggling to find a viable lynch target.

All I know is that at this point, people should try not to take offence at being targeted, because we have no leads. We have a section of confirmed, and then a massive gray area.

Sorry nae.
Or not sorry depending on how you flip

[Solaris]

Naesela (6) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314
Submachine (1) - Naesala
MeowMeowCat (1) - Submachine

Vote removed as requested

[Naesala]

Naesela (7) - jonathancrazyj, mathman101, Ginyu, RootRanger, Zawadx, kirbylover314, Naesala
MeowMeowCat (1) - Submachine

Lynch me then. And don't expect me to be in mafia with you again Sub.

Global Moderator Comment

Cleaned up language. Keep it that way, please.

[Rutarete]

I kind of feel like Nae's avi-gif is making a statement

[dawn to dusk]

this seems to be going nowhere fast

we were behind sub because he was seeming incredibly civvy, now he is confirmed, we have also stopped.

it is probably also worth noting that jcj isnt confirmed. while unlikely, there is a possibility that he is scum.

as much as id hate to say it, nae's death would clear up some things. just like physs' did.

[Kuroaitou]

Spoiler for Lore:

Originally known as 'Anna Shulktifa', Tina Caushmel began pacing back and forth over the supposed news; it could have been Criminals who would have targeted her in her home, but it also could have been those damn so-called Vigilantes. Either way, the result was the same - a police officer from the neighboring district, was murdered, and the FBI was now being called to step in a more aggressive way to investigate the various murders. Over half the population was trying to move outside the city, and it was basically a ghost town at this point, but given the large grid and numerous places that a small gang could occupy, merely 'sweeping' the town would be ineffective.

Taking up residence was also a no-go, based on the government's stance.

Bulvogi entered the room quiet, and Caushmel turned her head slightly in his direction; her outfit wasn't the crisp white robes that she found hilarious to wear, but rather, a simple polo and slacks.

Their silence was broken by the sound of a phone call that they wish never came.

Naesala was killed. She was an Officer Vigilante.

Night 6
Time is now over.

You may still talk during the night, and abilities can now be used.
Pills consumed yesterday will have their effects revealed to the user by now.

The following players MUST POST in order to avoid being modkilled permanently:
gusxz