Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96

[ddevans96]

Spoiler for Lore (incoming):

RootRanger has been killed. He was a Village Priest.
theelkspeaks has been killed. He was a Zombie Journalist.

The Night Phase is over. The Day Phase has begun.

Day Phase timer: No time remaining!
(pushing the timer back to the afternoon instead of night, so you get an extra half day)

[ZephyrPhantom]

Thanks, Obama.

Welp, there goes our alliance maker. If this means what I think it does, then it means Doctor's already flipped sides, or Government's playing for themselves. Probably both.

In theory, civvy/gov should have a 2 kill per round advantage over zombie's 1 convert per round action, but without knowing who to kill, it looks like it's way too easy for zombies to gain ground. Government's er.... lack of coordination means this inevitably turns into Gov vs. Zombies, which means the best Town can do as of right now is play kingmaker while we try to fend for ourselves.

(Alternatively, zombies got into Government early and converted a majority; if that's the case, this game is basically an auto-win for zombies.)

That being said: We need a new plan; assuming Travelers are on our side, we can attempt to risk confirming another civvy, but judging from what happened to Root, whoever gets confirmed needs to stay a secret. If no new plan shows up: Travelers, can at least one of you select someone you feel is likely to be Town and confirm them?

[Linkcat]

If a Traveler targets a Zombie without telling anyone who they targeted, then they'll die for nothing. This means that we need someone to coordinate the targets. The best way to do this is to follow Root's plan and do the same thing we did Night 1 with someone else. I nominate myself to be the new Zombie hunter, but it doesn't really matter who it is. I suspect that Root may have died because one or both Doctors decided to save him Night 1 without flipping, so please flip a coin this time.

If the other Priest happened to be the one that killed elk, please tell someone the name of the other Zombie so we can lynch them.

Thoughts?

[Zawadx]

I suspect that Root may have died because one or both Doctors decided to save him Night 1 without flipping, so please flip a coin this time.

Yeah no, it doesn't really have that much effect besides randomness. There was always a 25% chance for Root to die. Well, better dead than converted.

Also, Zombies have had only one conversion so far, which was elk. So we have nothing to fear from zombies for the time being. In fact, priest should hold onto that name so that we can continue curbing the no. of zombies alternatively.

Dunno how effective the zombie hunter plan will work if Gov't keeps killing confirmed people stupidly...

[iancudorinmarian]

savvy14112 (1) - iancudorinmarian

[DoubleCapitals]

Alright, simple. how about the Traveler target according to this list of people who have not ded:

Spoiler for Hidden:

1) UTAlan
2) qwerter
3) eljoemo
4) gusxz
5) iancudorinmarian
6) linkcat
7) Christopaz
8) CrockettRocket
9) MeowMeowCat
10) Zawadx
11) Physsion
12) rob77dp
13) kirbylover314
14) savvy14112
15) dawn to dusk
16) Treldon
17) Kuroaitou
18) jonathancrazyj
19) Coffeeditto
20) Aknelo
21) mathman101
22) Dm
23) godisnowonline
24) flyingcat
25) Zblader
26) Ge0metry v1.2

I'll randomise this list later, this was taken from the signup sheet.

Travellers will target the next person from this list, so say I'm traveller and this is the list: I target eljoemo. Tomorrow, randomise the list again and repeat the process (making sure no potential traveller gets repeat targets of course) to ensure zombies can't predict our moves.

We will get our confirmed people, AND the Travellers can be kept secret. Somewhat.

Good plan? Dumb plan? Do tell!

[Linkcat]

There's no way to decide which Traveler targets the first person and which targets the second.

If a Traveler dies, then we won't know which of the two people is a Zombie.

We can't have one person randomize the list every time, so if it's a Zombie's turn they will arrange the list so no Zombies are targeted.

Since the Zombies know the Traveler targets, they can easily convert one of the targets, making it harder to find the Zombies.

[rob77dp]

One is curious how the non-Root Priest knew to target theelkspeaks... 

There's no way to decide which Traveler targets the first person and which targets the second.

If a Traveler dies, then we won't know which of the two people is a Zombie.

We can't have one person randomize the list every time, so if it's a Zombie's turn they will arrange the list so no Zombies are targeted.

Since the Zombies know the Traveler targets, they can easily convert one of the targets, making it harder to find the Zombies.

Linkcat - I believe qwerter was suggesting each Traveller target the player whose name is below their own in the randomized list.  Your second issue is valid about when a Traveller dies civilians do not know who they targeted.

[rob77dp]

Z-

A Doctor cannot have flipped (converted to Zombie) because we know elk was already (NK'd as a Zombie Jounalist just now) and the Conversion is EoR.  Hence, maximum one conversion prior to this current Day Phase...

I do not know how you are determining that Zombies have already infiltrated government.  Maximum one conversion so far as Zombies have to group-target and the ability is EoR.

It does certainly seem as though the Government is not thinking things through very well early-on (a Root NK...?!? ).

[ZephyrPhantom]

@ rob - My apologies, I forgot that Conversion was EoR and kept treating it as ER. I'll support qwerter's plan for now until I can come up with something more conclusive.

[CrockettRocket]

Sniper [2U]: Target one player. They are killed at the end of the next Day Phase, alongside the lynch target.

I think Sniper could be easily confirmed as a villager
We could have the sniper say X is gonna die that isn't our lynch target and if they die he is the sniper
Now, a government or Zombie could claim to be Sniper, and if we get double claims we just lynch one of them and everyone can decide their own vote for who they think is scum
If we kill the sniper, then the next day phase we kill whoever else also claimed to be the sniper, and this would be at worst a 1 for 1 trade in the Villagers favor
If we don't kill the sniper, and the sniper is confirmed, then the traveler gives their information to the sniper and the doctor keeps targeting the sniper
If the traveler dies, then we know who is Zombie because they would've given their information to the sniper and we wouldn't have to waste a day lynch killing the Zombie either, because sniper will just target them

Thoughts?

PS this was just my plan to fix a small hole in qwerters plan

[Solaris]

@CR With your current plan, someone has to find out who the sniper is to confirm that, and if that someone is a zombie and infects the Sniper, then they have a free kill. Sounds exactly like what a zombie would want..